Here's a link:

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/156677/CthulhuTech-V2-The-Shadow-War-Open-

I guess there's going to be multiple "core" books?

And there's the rpg.net discussion thread for those interested

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?765832-CthulhuTech-2nd-Ed-Beta-up-on-DTRPG&p=19381539#post19381539

Edit: Stephenls is one of the moderators/posters that doesn't play rpgs but just "reads them for entertainment"? Interesting

Quote from: Nexus;855787Here's a link:

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/156677/CthulhuTech-V2-The-Shadow-War-Open-

I guess there's going to be multiple "core" books?

And there's the rpg.net discussion thread for those interested

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?765832-CthulhuTech-2nd-Ed-Beta-up-on-DTRPG&p=19381539#post19381539

Edit: Stephenls is one of the moderators/posters that doesn't play rpgs but just "reads them for entertainment"? Interesting

I just...my Toucan...it's broken...it's been destroyed...

One of the head writers on Exalted, does NOT play RPG's but reads them for entertainment... I mean, perhaps he was joking, perhaps he was being flippant...

But it really actually explains a great deal of things.

Particularly if he's not the only RPG.net moderator and RPG writer who does the same thing.

You know Cthulhu is a crapshack setting and horrible things are suppose to happen.

Quote from: Snowman0147;855791You know Cthulhu is a crapshack setting and horrible things are suppose to happen.

The complaints about religion are amusing as I remember some complaining that non Christian religions were treated in a "problematic" manner and others saying the exact same thing about Christianity compared to other religions. Round and round turns the wheel of outrage.

And they are already tearing into it. You cannot win in this game. Its pointless.

Quote from: Nexus;855798The complaints about religion are amusing as I remember some complaining that non Christian religions were treated in a "problematic" manner and others saying the exact same thing about Christianity compared to other religions. Round and round turns the wheel of outrage.

The specific way Islam was treated was that all Muslims had exactly one of two reactions: They either abandoned Islam entirely, or became fanatical terrorists.

Meanwhile, religion in general was treated badly, because what Ctech tried to convince you of is that religion simply couldn't adequately explain the events of the Aeon War, so people turned away from it.

Because if there's one thing religion just doesn't have a fucking framework for, it's surely going to be the sudden appearance of malevolent supernatural forces that want to destroy mankind! THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING IN RELIGIOUS TRADITION THAT COULD DESCRIBE THIS, RIGHT?

Any way more about the game. I'm mixed on the multiple core books approach. It seems a bit like supplement bloat but on the other hand, the game/setting clearly did have different tiers so its very possible that might save on purchases. Just get the things aimed on the style of game you want. Unless there are vital rules or important setting elements split up among them.

Quote from: Axiomatic;855806The specific way Islam was treated was that all Muslims had exactly one of two reactions: They either abandoned Islam entirely, or became fanatical terrorists.

That seems like a very uncharitable reading. But yes, when movements start to collapse a circle the wagons approach isn't uncommon. The less devoted drop out leaving the more hardcore.

QuoteMeanwhile, religion in general was treated badly, because what Ctech tried to convince you of is that religion simply couldn't adequately explain the events of the Aeon War, so people turned away from it.

Because if there's one thing religion just doesn't have a fucking framework for, it's surely going to be the sudden appearance of malevolent supernatural forces that want to destroy mankind! THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING IN RELIGIOUS TRADITION THAT COULD DESCRIBE THIS, RIGHT?

What's with the all caps?

I've read the books. I have them all. The presentation of religion was unusual, IMO, but given the utterly bizarre nature of the setting. Not only had alien life been discovered (and killed a bunch of people) the law of physics themselves and the origins of man kind were called into question. The idea that many people would abandon traditional faith doesn't seem that far fetched to me. People abandon religion for far less revolutionary changes. The Apocalypse has come and it was completely unlike any predictions and God seems conspicuously absent. There's been other games that had religion decline in the ultra tech future for, IMO, less reasons.

Frankly, I've seen more disparaging things said about religion on Tangency over the years.

And that still doesn't make one bunch screaming "Christianity is the favored son!" and another screaming "Christianity is getting crapped on compared to everything else!" about the same text less amusing. You're never going to get it "right" if the definition of right is: can't possibly offend anyone anywhere ever. Unless religion isn't addressed at all.

And finally and perhaps most importantly: Its imaginary, an extrapolation based on made stories about an utterly impossible future. There's no need to get that worked up about it. Its not a an academic paper on the nature of religion.

Quote from: Nexus;855809I've read the books. I have them all. The presentation of religion was unusual, IMO, but given the utterly bizarre nature of the setting. Not only had alien life been discovered (and killed a bunch of people) the law of physics themselves and the origins of man kind were called into question. The idea that many people would abandon traditional faith doesn't seem that far fetched to me. People abandon religion for far less revolutionary changes. The Apocalypse has come and it was completely unlike any predictions and God seems conspicuously absent. There's been other games that had religion decline in the ultra tech future for, IMO, less reasons.

So you don't think it's odd that demons show up with their supernatural hellish powers and everyone's reaction is "Huh, I guess religion is a big ol'scam after all!"

Quote from: Axiomatic;855813So you don't think it's odd that demons show up with their supernatural hellish powers and everyone's reaction is "Huh, I guess religion is a big ol'scam after all!"

That in light of aliens, magic and sorcery and events entirely unlike the any conventional religions version the End Times happen that many people lose their faith? No I don't see that as horribly strange at all. Many lose faith in the face of others horrible events.

or adopt new ones, given the rise of cults in the setting along with general hedonistic decadence and whistling past the graveyard attitude.

And religion didn't cease to exist it declined sharply. According to the last stats I read its doing that now in many places.

In any case, I don't think it was some screed against religion. The authors had a different vision than some of their readers. It happens. Unless the events of Cthullutech or something very similar actually come to pass there is no objective truth about it just best guesses. Or what the creator finds interesting or inspirational.

And there would have probably been as big a ruckus if the writer(s) had described a rise of zealous religious fundamentalism or the like.

Was it exactly the take I would have used? Maybe not but I didn't think it was anything worth getting worked up over and it did make for an interesting setting element.

Huh, thanks for the heads up; I may have to check this out.

I've always bristled, in a professional sense, at the thought of Cthulhutech's take on Lovecraft's creations, but I'll happily look into a revised version to see what's been kept and what's been left on the doorstep.

I don't have big issues with Cthulhutech 1e, as many others do. I don't find the shift of focus to an RPG that is more segregated, structured, and mechanical in play to be appealing TBH. I will be following along with 2e though.

Quote from: Skywalker;855831I don't have big issues with Cthulhutech 1e, as many others do. I don't find the shift of focus to an RPG that is more segregated, structured, and mechanical in play to be appealing TBH. I will be following along with 2e though.

What struck you as more mechanical in play?

Quote from: Nexus;855832What struck you as more mechanical in play?

The PC creation process is more structured, talents more mechanically specific (like feats), action list with related terminology and concepts, the focus on build your own Tagers etc.

Quote from: Skywalker;855838The PC creation process is more structured, talents more mechanically specific (like feats), action list with related terminology and concepts, the focus on build your own Tagers etc.

Okay, I see what you mean. Thank you.

I gather there is going to be more than one "core book" focused on different types of game. That could be a good idea or a recipe for supplement bloat.
Time will tell. I'm not that excited about this one. I'm not using Tagers very much in my current game but I can see why they might decided to start with them. They're a pretty unique setting element and catchy.