Quote from: RPGPundit;1070923Answered above.

And my dude, I actually like porn. I don't like pro wrestling. If the point of the comparison was to denigrate, I'd have used wrestling.  But the point was accuracy, and actually the Porn metaphor is much more effective.

But I made it clear right at the start of the video that I'm completely pro-porn.  It isn't a cheap trick; the cheap trick is Mercer trying to pretend that his pre-fab TV show is a totally normal game of D&D just like you have at home.

Anyways, I guess you've found one difference between me and that other piece of shit you mentioned; I'm not going to ban you for making the comparison.

Seriously people, this forum might be a seriously fucked up echo chamber, but Pundie is legit!

Quote from: Lurtch;1070929Have you guys run into anybody in real life that think that CR is how D&D is played? Or how it should be played? I actually think the Penny Arcade guys did a better job showing folks how to get into the hobby when they started really covering D&D in the 3.x and 4E era.

No, because even the mentally ill can recognize that CR is an inexact sop applied to balance that doesn't actually work in any WotC edition of the game.

Quote from: Lurtch;1070929Have you guys run into anybody in real life that think that CR is how D&D is played? Or how it should be played?

I have one friend that believes that CR shows an ideal game. He doesn't believe it is how games are actually played (he's been running and playing for 40+ years) or necessarily a type of gameplay that is even possible 99% of the time, but it's his holy grail. Whenever he mentions it, I just sigh and shake my head.

He even lauded the fact that I bought the Tal'dorei Campaign Setting... until I was critical of it for lacking substance. He told me it's not about what's in the book that makes it great but rather what Mercer & crew do with it. IOW, I didn't watch CR, so I couldn't appreciate it. I told him I was only judging the book by the contents of the book and he could fuck off. We're good friends, and we can disagree on all sorts of shit without it really mattering to either of us.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1070919I'm trying to do what Mercer refuses to: making sure people, especially new potential D&D-players, understand that the way CR is filmed is not really how a normal D&D session goes.

Most people at least those with enough functioning brain cells in their heads know CR is not a normal session of D&D. Sure some who don't give a fuck about anything or everything will assume it' the gospel truth. That's on them and not CR or anyone else who runs their games to assume responsibility for.

Your not doing this to save gaming your doing this because he is more popular imo. If it was not CR it would be a rant about Narrative rpgs and how they are killing the hobby and how every new player to the hobby assumes that all rpgs are like that. All because some people on Twitter told you it was so.

Quote from: SP23;1070938No, because even the mentally ill can recognize that CR is an inexact sop applied to balance that doesn't actually work in any WotC edition of the game.

Seconded.

As I said before if your too lazy and ignorant to do a search on the internet to read up or watch other videos it's on the person. Is their some who do believe that CR is the only way to play sure. Nothing like the end times amount that Pundit is trying to push in his narrative. He has one thread where most people disagreed with him now he posts a similar one in the hopes he will get a different reaction.

Quote from: Lurtch;1070929Have you guys run into anybody in real life that think that CR is how D&D is played? Or how it should be played? I actually think the Penny Arcade guys did a better job showing folks how to get into the hobby when they started really covering D&D in the 3.x and 4E era.

Most of the people I play with both think it's a normal game and what they should strive for as a DM or player.

Quote from: SP23;1070938No, because even the mentally ill can recognize that CR is an inexact sop applied to balance that doesn't actually work in any WotC edition of the game.

   I think in this context, they mean Critical Role, not Challenge Rating. Or did the joke just fly over my head?

Quote from: RPGPundit;1070921You know, that's a good point. The CR stuff is actually playing off the TV-show stereotype of D&D games from decades ago, which never had any resemblance to how real games went. But Mercer knows that much of his non-gaming audience will expect it because that's what they've seen in shows and movies.

I am pretty sure some groups do actually dress up as their characters for a session. Its just really rare offline. I have certainly seen people play Call of Cthulhu in period clothes too.

Its one of those "For fun" things like DMs crafting props for a session, handouts, or even traps for a thief player to handle.

Kind of the bridge between standard RPG play and LARP RPG play. Usually the spark is one or more players into costuming. Or someone good at crafting.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1070755I know exactly what you mean. The research for these videos has been excruciating.

Your research for Critical Role or Porn?

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1070988I think in this context, they mean Critical Role, not Challenge Rating. Or did the joke just fly over my head?

You're right, my bad.

So is this show like "The Guild" for D&D? I guess I should watch an episode to see what the hubbub is abub.

I bit the bullet and watched a short extract to see if I misremembered and Pundit had a point:

[video=youtube;3FGMkUakiDc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FGMkUakiDc[/youtube]

No, it still basically looks like a regular* gaming session. I liked how the players didn't know the rules, and Mercer sometimes corrects them, sometimes does not bother but still gets a rules-compliant result "Can I use my bonus action to talk?" - "Uh, ok".

He doesn't even particularly ham it up - if I were him I might have done my Gobliny voice when the PCs were tricking the goblins, but he just says "ok they're fooled".

*Maybe the dice rolls are fake. I wouldn't trust players just to tell me their result, as appeared to be happening.

That one seemed a bit more standard than some others. I've seen much worse from other peoples vids.

I think the big difference is CR has better production values. Better production values does not necessarily mean scripted. But. From experience. The more monetized these get the more likely they will start to be scripted a little, or alot. Hard to tell really sometimes as some players normal looks alot like someone elses scripted. Simply because of oration skills or lack thereof.

I couldn't watch more than a couple minutes because I was afflicted with boredom; other people gaming is just uninteresting to me.  What I saw looked like a normal enough gaming group, just in a much snazzier gaming room than I have and with really good microphones and sound editing; DM guy definitely seemed to have some radio announcer bass tweaking going on at the very least.  The roleplaying itself seemed standard fare for my experience, people acting out in character and fucking around.

Quote from: Valatar;1071116I couldn't watch more than a couple minutes because I was afflicted with boredom; other people gaming is just uninteresting to me.

This same thing happens if I try to watch soccer or tennis. In both cases, I love to play the games, but I can't stand watching them.

Quote from: Lurtch;1070929Have you guys run into anybody in real life that think that CR is how D&D is played? Or how it should be played?

sadly, yes. Last week I went to a gathering of GMs at the local game store, and the foreman of the meeting spent about half an hour telling us all how to make our games more like those on CR.

Later someone who had never run a game before was pressured into running D&D 5th using the starter set he had just bought, but he decided to run something based off of the anime Goblin Slayer.
For those of you not aware of the series, in it goblins go about kidnapping and raping the local women to increase their numbers. the only one who really sees them as a serious threat is the title character who most of the adventurer's guild looks down on.
Oddly enough the people at the game table didn't really have a problem with the goblins being depicted like that.  what they DID have an issue with was when they went to buy equipment from the town blacksmith, was the fact that the smith in question was in fact black.  The GM caved to pressure, and made him white.
Later when the PCs faced the goblins, the goblins hit everyone with sleeping gas, and dragged away all the female characters for the breeding pens.  One of the players became upset that his transgender fighter, who identified as female, was not dragged off as well.

That was when I, from another table, started laughing, and had to leave.