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Critical Role cancelled by Kotaku because... reasons

Started by Reckall, February 09, 2022, 05:39:26 AM

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Cat the Bounty Smuggler

#30
February 09, 2022, 08:00:52 PM
Quote from: S'mon on February 09, 2022, 06:04:47 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on February 09, 2022, 05:18:49 PM
I gotta ask you something: why do you keep conflating wokism with marxism?

Wokism and its antecedents were always corporate-friendly Marxism.

I'm no fan of Marxism, but this sort of strengthen's Mistwell's point, rather than refuting it: "corporate-friendly Marxism" is along the lines of "Satan-worshiping Christianity." Even if nothing else has changed — especially if nothing else has changed — someone at some point got very confused about what they were supposed to be believing.

jeff37923

#31
February 09, 2022, 08:04:40 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on February 09, 2022, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: SHARK on February 09, 2022, 02:43:19 PM
Greetings!

Geesus, the whining and absolute ridiculous mental gymnastics that Kotaku goes through in critiquing Critical Role. Responsibility to disavow the original Colonizers and explorers? God these people are fucking nuts. They are so drunk on their fucking Marxist ideology and victimhood that they can't even speak like a normal human being.

Edward Said? Fuck Edward Said and his fucking book. No one gives a fuck about his book except fucking Marxists.

Kotaku are a bunch of morons.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I gotta ask you something: why do you keep conflating wokism with marxism? Here's the truth: Marxists hate wokism because it distracts from their class and class warfare issues. Actual marxists are not woke at all. Their stance on feminism ended at we're all equal and should all be oppressed equally. Their stances on race is we're all equal and should all be oppressed equally. Marxists don't talk about race and sex and transgender issues ANYTHING like woke people do. And for the wokists, they despise the marxist as well. NOTHING triggered the wokists more than Bernie Sanders' claim that solving for class inequality would inherently solve for racial inequalities. Wokists and Marxists are not the same and don't like each other. So why are you calling them one and the same? Kotaku isn't Marxist - they're wokist. They are ruthless capitalists - they just want the woke dollars and that's the capitalist niche they've carved out for themselves.

People calling this clickbait were correct - this whole thing is manufactured by a woke capitalist company trying to get more ad dollars by triggering people on all sides of the wokism debate to click on their article.

Why are you deliberately turning this political?

To answer your earlier question, it is because well-known leaders of these movements say that they are.
https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/
"Meh."

Gog to Magog

#32
February 09, 2022, 08:26:43 PM
Quote from: Cat the Bounty Smuggler on February 09, 2022, 08:00:52 PM
Quote from: S'mon on February 09, 2022, 06:04:47 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on February 09, 2022, 05:18:49 PM
I gotta ask you something: why do you keep conflating wokism with marxism?

Wokism and its antecedents were always corporate-friendly Marxism.

I'm no fan of Marxism, but this sort of strengthen's Mistwell's point, rather than refuting it: "corporate-friendly Marxism" is along the lines of "Satan-worshiping Christianity." Even if nothing else has changed — especially if nothing else has changed — someone at some point got very confused about what they were supposed to be believing.

Crazy right?! It's almost like Marxists are self-contradictory, hypocritical bags of shit without any real coherence to their laughably poorly thought out 'worldview' other than a desire for power and an excuse for their own failures!

Who'd've thunk!?
He said only: "Men shall die for this". He meant the words.

Valatar

#33
February 09, 2022, 09:00:24 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on February 09, 2022, 03:16:19 PM
I do think the whole "white people visiting Arabian theme park" is overdone at this point. What about all the stories of Arabian heroes going on adventures in the exotic lands of Hyperborea?

(I say this with tongue firmly in cheek.)

You say tongue in cheek, but I think it could be pretty cool to have a Stygian group in a Conan adventure.  I'm also reminded of Crichton's Eaters of the Dead, or 13th Warrior for people who only saw the movie, for an Arab protagonist hanging with Vikings doing cool stuff.  Of course, any group streaming a bunch of not-Arab players trying to roleplay Arab characters would be turbo-canceled for it, super problematic, appropriation, etc.

SHARK

#34
February 09, 2022, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on February 09, 2022, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: SHARK on February 09, 2022, 02:43:19 PM
Greetings!

Geesus, the whining and absolute ridiculous mental gymnastics that Kotaku goes through in critiquing Critical Role. Responsibility to disavow the original Colonizers and explorers? God these people are fucking nuts. They are so drunk on their fucking Marxist ideology and victimhood that they can't even speak like a normal human being.

Edward Said? Fuck Edward Said and his fucking book. No one gives a fuck about his book except fucking Marxists.

Kotaku are a bunch of morons.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I gotta ask you something: why do you keep conflating wokism with marxism? Here's the truth: Marxists hate wokism because it distracts from their class and class warfare issues. Actual marxists are not woke at all. Their stance on feminism ended at we're all equal and should all be oppressed equally. Their stances on race is we're all equal and should all be oppressed equally. Marxists don't talk about race and sex and transgender issues ANYTHING like woke people do. And for the wokists, they despise the marxist as well. NOTHING triggered the wokists more than Bernie Sanders' claim that solving for class inequality would inherently solve for racial inequalities. Wokists and Marxists are not the same and don't like each other. So why are you calling them one and the same? Kotaku isn't Marxist - they're wokist. They are ruthless capitalists - they just want the woke dollars and that's the capitalist niche they've carved out for themselves.

People calling this clickbait were correct - this whole thing is manufactured by a woke capitalist company trying to get more ad dollars by triggering people on all sides of the wokism debate to click on their article.

Greetings!

Well, S'mon, Jeff, and Shrieking Banshee schooled you very well on Wokism's similarities, commonalities, and roots in Marxism. "Wokism" clearly has its philosophical and ideological roots in Marxism. Anyone that can't or won't see that salient truth...is simply blind.

Practically speaking, anyone that identifies with being "Woke" is in fact, synonymous with being a fucking Marxist--regardless of whether or not they themselves actually comprehend that, or admit it.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

Tubesock Army

#35
February 09, 2022, 11:47:43 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on February 09, 2022, 03:16:19 PM
I do think the whole "white people visiting Arabian theme park" is overdone at this point. What about all the stories of Arabian heroes going on adventures in the exotic lands of Hyperborea?

(I say this with tongue firmly in cheek.)

S'mon

#36
February 10, 2022, 01:51:09 AM
Quote from: Cat the Bounty Smuggler on February 09, 2022, 08:00:52 PM
I'm no fan of Marxism, but this sort of strengthen's Mistwell's point, rather than refuting it: "corporate-friendly Marxism" is along the lines of "Satan-worshiping Christianity." Even if nothing else has changed — especially if nothing else has changed — someone at some point got very confused about what they were supposed to be believing.

Oh, definitely.

Ratman_tf

#37
February 10, 2022, 03:01:49 AM
Quote from: Trond on February 09, 2022, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on February 09, 2022, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: SHARK on February 09, 2022, 02:43:19 PM
Greetings!

Geesus, the whining and absolute ridiculous mental gymnastics that Kotaku goes through in critiquing Critical Role. Responsibility to disavow the original Colonizers and explorers? God these people are fucking nuts. They are so drunk on their fucking Marxist ideology and victimhood that they can't even speak like a normal human being.

Edward Said? Fuck Edward Said and his fucking book. No one gives a fuck about his book except fucking Marxists.

Kotaku are a bunch of morons.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I gotta ask you something: why do you keep conflating wokism with marxism? Here's the truth: Marxists hate wokism because it distracts from their class and class warfare issues. Actual marxists are not woke at all. Their stance on feminism ended at we're all equal and should all be oppressed equally. Their stances on race is we're all equal and should all be oppressed equally. Marxists don't talk about race and sex and transgender issues ANYTHING like woke people do. And for the wokists, they despise the marxist as well. NOTHING triggered the wokists more than Bernie Sanders' claim that solving for class inequality would inherently solve for racial inequalities. Wokists and Marxists are not the same and don't like each other. So why are you calling them one and the same?

I happen to know a couple of Marxists from Europe who are woke AF.

Marxism hasn't stayed frozen in a bubble since he died. And wokies and even Marxists don't necessarily follow the dictonary definition of Marxism to the letter.
James Lindsay has done the homework of digging into the whole Frankfurt School of activist bullshit thought and how while Marx hasn't directly influenced wokism, the "descendants" of Marxist ideology have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SspHK0qI_CM

The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Wntrlnd

#38
February 10, 2022, 08:30:33 AM
Quote from: Mistwell on February 09, 2022, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: SHARK on February 09, 2022, 02:43:19 PM
Greetings!

Geesus, the whining and absolute ridiculous mental gymnastics that Kotaku goes through in critiquing Critical Role. Responsibility to disavow the original Colonizers and explorers? God these people are fucking nuts. They are so drunk on their fucking Marxist ideology and victimhood that they can't even speak like a normal human being.

Edward Said? Fuck Edward Said and his fucking book. No one gives a fuck about his book except fucking Marxists.

Kotaku are a bunch of morons.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I gotta ask you something: why do you keep conflating wokism with marxism? Here's the truth: Marxists hate wokism because it distracts from their class and class warfare issues. Actual marxists are not woke at all. Their stance on feminism ended at we're all equal and should all be oppressed equally. Their stances on race is we're all equal and should all be oppressed equally. Marxists don't talk about race and sex and transgender issues ANYTHING like woke people do. And for the wokists, they despise the marxist as well. NOTHING triggered the wokists more than Bernie Sanders' claim that solving for class inequality would inherently solve for racial inequalities. Wokists and Marxists are not the same and don't like each other. So why are you calling them one and the same? Kotaku isn't Marxist - they're wokist. They are ruthless capitalists - they just want the woke dollars and that's the capitalist niche they've carved out for themselves.


The greatest teardown I've ever seen about the BLM protests were written by a black Marxist.

Thorn Drumheller

#39
February 10, 2022, 08:53:03 AM
So the author is a no talent designer of SWANA origin, who roasts a show made by a group of friends playing D&D.

Eh, I'm not gonna get heated over it, I'll just dismiss it outright.
Member in good standing of COSM.

Trond

#40
February 10, 2022, 09:16:08 AM
Quote from: Cat the Bounty Smuggler on February 09, 2022, 08:00:52 PM
Quote from: S'mon on February 09, 2022, 06:04:47 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on February 09, 2022, 05:18:49 PM
I gotta ask you something: why do you keep conflating wokism with marxism?

Wokism and its antecedents were always corporate-friendly Marxism.

I'm no fan of Marxism, but this sort of strengthen's Mistwell's point, rather than refuting it: "corporate-friendly Marxism" is along the lines of "Satan-worshiping Christianity." Even if nothing else has changed — especially if nothing else has changed — someone at some point got very confused about what they were supposed to be believing.

True, but I think what's happening here is big corporations trying to play along with the zeitgeist, even if they are being complete hypocrites. In some cases the leaders of the corporations were lefty "idealists" in their younger years, so they know exactly how to cater to those people (my father knows at least one guy like this).

soundchaser

#41
February 10, 2022, 10:05:08 AM
Folks. Wokeism *is* Marxism. Send me a PM for a pretty good link resource I can refer. I have about 20 but one in particular gets it's zeitgeist really well.

Mistwell

#42
February 10, 2022, 12:10:25 PM
Quote from: Trond on February 09, 2022, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on February 09, 2022, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: SHARK on February 09, 2022, 02:43:19 PM
Greetings!

Geesus, the whining and absolute ridiculous mental gymnastics that Kotaku goes through in critiquing Critical Role. Responsibility to disavow the original Colonizers and explorers? God these people are fucking nuts. They are so drunk on their fucking Marxist ideology and victimhood that they can't even speak like a normal human being.

Edward Said? Fuck Edward Said and his fucking book. No one gives a fuck about his book except fucking Marxists.

Kotaku are a bunch of morons.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I gotta ask you something: why do you keep conflating wokism with marxism? Here's the truth: Marxists hate wokism because it distracts from their class and class warfare issues. Actual marxists are not woke at all. Their stance on feminism ended at we're all equal and should all be oppressed equally. Their stances on race is we're all equal and should all be oppressed equally. Marxists don't talk about race and sex and transgender issues ANYTHING like woke people do. And for the wokists, they despise the marxist as well. NOTHING triggered the wokists more than Bernie Sanders' claim that solving for class inequality would inherently solve for racial inequalities. Wokists and Marxists are not the same and don't like each other. So why are you calling them one and the same?

I happen to know a couple of Marxists from Europe who are woke AF.

How do they even do that? Being woke inherently means you believe in "more" rights for some minorities over other majorities. How is that compatible with any precepts of marxism? How do you offer a job to a transgendered African Muslim in a wheel chair over a old white male if the goal of Marxism is to treat them all as exactly equal in terms of the lowest common denominator? In Marxism, they're both supposed to get equal level shitting jobs and stand/sit in line for the Government cheese.

Mistwell

#43
February 10, 2022, 12:13:44 PM
Quote from: jeff37923 on February 09, 2022, 08:04:40 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on February 09, 2022, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: SHARK on February 09, 2022, 02:43:19 PM
Greetings!

Geesus, the whining and absolute ridiculous mental gymnastics that Kotaku goes through in critiquing Critical Role. Responsibility to disavow the original Colonizers and explorers? God these people are fucking nuts. They are so drunk on their fucking Marxist ideology and victimhood that they can't even speak like a normal human being.

Edward Said? Fuck Edward Said and his fucking book. No one gives a fuck about his book except fucking Marxists.

Kotaku are a bunch of morons.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I gotta ask you something: why do you keep conflating wokism with marxism? Here's the truth: Marxists hate wokism because it distracts from their class and class warfare issues. Actual marxists are not woke at all. Their stance on feminism ended at we're all equal and should all be oppressed equally. Their stances on race is we're all equal and should all be oppressed equally. Marxists don't talk about race and sex and transgender issues ANYTHING like woke people do. And for the wokists, they despise the marxist as well. NOTHING triggered the wokists more than Bernie Sanders' claim that solving for class inequality would inherently solve for racial inequalities. Wokists and Marxists are not the same and don't like each other. So why are you calling them one and the same? Kotaku isn't Marxist - they're wokist. They are ruthless capitalists - they just want the woke dollars and that's the capitalist niche they've carved out for themselves.

People calling this clickbait were correct - this whole thing is manufactured by a woke capitalist company trying to get more ad dollars by triggering people on all sides of the wokism debate to click on their article.

Why are you deliberately turning this political?

Me? How is Shark's constant calling them Marxist not "turning this political?" Is Marxism now considered "not political"? I gotta say, that's a hard sell there Jeff but I'd be curious to hear your argument.

soundchaser

#44
February 10, 2022, 12:15:17 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on February 10, 2022, 12:10:25 PM
Quote from: Trond on February 09, 2022, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on February 09, 2022, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: SHARK on February 09, 2022, 02:43:19 PM
Greetings!

Geesus, the whining and absolute ridiculous mental gymnastics that Kotaku goes through in critiquing Critical Role. Responsibility to disavow the original Colonizers and explorers? God these people are fucking nuts. They are so drunk on their fucking Marxist ideology and victimhood that they can't even speak like a normal human being.

Edward Said? Fuck Edward Said and his fucking book. No one gives a fuck about his book except fucking Marxists.

Kotaku are a bunch of morons.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I gotta ask you something: why do you keep conflating wokism with marxism? Here's the truth: Marxists hate wokism because it distracts from their class and class warfare issues. Actual marxists are not woke at all. Their stance on feminism ended at we're all equal and should all be oppressed equally. Their stances on race is we're all equal and should all be oppressed equally. Marxists don't talk about race and sex and transgender issues ANYTHING like woke people do. And for the wokists, they despise the marxist as well. NOTHING triggered the wokists more than Bernie Sanders' claim that solving for class inequality would inherently solve for racial inequalities. Wokists and Marxists are not the same and don't like each other. So why are you calling them one and the same?

I happen to know a couple of Marxists from Europe who are woke AF.

How do they even do that? Being woke inherently means you believe in "more" rights for some minorities over other majorities. How is that compatible with any precepts of marxism? How do you offer a job to a transgendered African Muslim in a wheel chair over a old white male if the goal of Marxism is to treat them all as exactly equal in terms of the lowest common denominator? In Marxism, they're both supposed to get equal level shitting jobs and stand/sit in line for the Government cheese.

No their issue is an evolved Marxist framing of reality that sees all outcomes as a result of class struggle. The oppressed 'group with identity X' must be empowered to extend the revolution aimed at destroying the oppressors who cannot be made 'equal' since they have no redeeming value.

It is not as much political as it is philosophical at its roots. Things have come to be expressed in politics, yes, a natural outgrowth of this thin and false view of reality.
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