Quote from: Benoist;492280I refuse to believe you are that narrow-minded.

You really are quite the condescending cockwipe, aren't you?

If a PC wizard wants to research and create the spell Plufinger's Pusillanimous Portal, then more power to him.  Great.  Marvelous. Every version of D&D ever has had rules for that.

But the hypothetical as given was a wizard using "teleport" spells to create a gravity driven mass driver.  Except there are no spells in D&D that work the way required for the mass driver to function.  There's one magic item that requires caster level 17 and the ability to cast Gate[1], by which point you can do worse things than a mass driver anyway and you don't need a magic item for them either.



This whole conversation is like people arguing that the fact that longswords do d30+2 damage against L creatures isn't really unbalanced because Large creatures have more hit points and are thicker so the sword won't just come out the other side and stab air.



[1] And has explicit limitations that would prevent its use as a mass driver regardless.

Calculate the terminal velocity the object could obtain, the distance that takes and the resulting force. Chances are it's probably not that bad, certainly not mass driver strike levels.

Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;492281Especially when you're dealing with a pseudo-medieval society. IRL medieval society's conceptual thought is most sharply distinguished from modern conceptual thinking by the ubiquitous use of analogical reasoning in the former.

For instance, absolutely. Even when talking about conventional sciences, specifically when talking about innovation, analogy, lateral thinking, associations are absolutely primordial to kick-start the discovery of other, possible, ways to do things and the expression of new ideas which then can be experimented with, observed, structured, thought about to give birth to new processes and tools to carry them out.

What I'm hearing here is the equivalent of "No, I wouldn't let the Technomage Steve Jobs come up with the iPod and iPad because in the 2000 setting book computer spells don't work that way."

In the history of D&D there is no shortage of "pass through" teleportation gates.

Quote from: Benoist;492286Then anything you possibly do has to have to do with something you actually did "on camera", in the game proper. Are the characters starting at their actual birth in your game? Did the wizard character actually learn about the principles of magic live in the game?

Is that what I said?

QuoteIf not, I cannot come up with some piece of background in the game that would explain that yes, I, Osthentilius, have actually experimented with my master on teleport spells, bags of holding, portable holes and related topics, and that's even why I still have this mechanical finger on my hand instead of my live one?

You can do whatever you want in your game. It's your game.

QuoteIf I can't do anything like that, and everything has to happen live for you to be okay with it, I wouldn't enjoy playing with you, no.

Ok.

QuoteI think many people would have problems with that over the long haul, actually. That's an imagination killer to me, in any case.

That's up to you. I support you in believing whatever you believe.

Quote from: daniel_ream;492288You really are quite the condescending cockwipe, aren't you?

I would be if I thought you were a moron, which I just pointed out, is not the case. But thanks for asking.

Quote from: daniel_ream;492288This whole conversation is like people arguing that the fact that longswords do d30+2 damage against L creatures isn't really unbalanced because Large creatures have more hit points and are thicker so the sword won't just come out the other side and stab air.

I couldn't agree more. As I said before, this is easily the most ridiculous debate I've ever participated in online in my entire life.

What's next??

"I cast Continual Light through a Tenser's Floating Disk and turned it into a particle-beam cannon!"

Quote from: daniel_ream;492288If a PC wizard wants to research and create the spell Plufinger's Pusillanimous Portal, then more power to him.  Great.  Marvelous. Every version of D&D ever has had rules for that.

... but you can't actually come up with such an idea live in the game (wait a minute...) because as we all know, there is no such thing as a crash test, spontaneous go-lucky discovery. There can't possibly be. It has to be in the rules. If it's not written on there, it can't be done.

I'm more of the old school, see. The one that basically says "if it's not specifically verboten by the rules, then it's okay."

Quote from: Blazing Donkey;492297I couldn't agree more. As I said before, this is easily the most ridiculous debate I've ever participated in online in my entire life.

What's next??

"I cast Continual Light through a Tenser's Floating Disk and turned it into a particle-beam cannon!"

You see? You are coming back to this.

Admit it: your problem has NOTHING THE FUCK to do with consistency, logic, or any of those things. It just annoys the hell out of you that a player might be a munchkin. That's the real issue you have.

Quote from: Benoist;492299You see? You are coming back to this.

Go look up the word "satire" when you get a chance.

QuoteAdmit it: your problem has NOTHING THE FUCK to do with consistency, logic, or any of those things. It just annoys the hell out of you that a player might be a munchkin. That's the real issue you have.

You've hoisted me on my own petard. What shall I do now? -weeps-

Quote from: Blazing Donkey;492297I couldn't agree more. As I said before, this is easily the most ridiculous debate I've ever participated in online in my entire life.

What's next??

"I cast Continual Light through a Tenser's Floating Disk and turned it into a particle-beam cannon!"

You'd need two different disks with different reflective qualities to make it phase coherent.

Quote from: Blazing Donkey;492301Go look up the word "satire" when you get a chance.

I suggest you go look up for it. I don't think this word means what you think it means.

Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;492302You'd need two different disks with different reflective qualities to make it phase coherent.

ROFLMAO!!!

That was classic! LOL!! Hats off to you, Sir.

Quote from: Benoist;492304I suggest you go look up for it. I don't think this word means what you think it means.

WHOOSH!!!!

Did you get a glimpse of that before it flew over your head?

I was using the "tenser's particle beam" comment to satirize this debate.

Pseudoephedrine got it. You could too if you understood what the word "satire" meant (as I suggested).

Quote from: Blazing Donkey;492311Pseudoephedrine got it. You could too if you understood what the word "satire" meant (as I suggested).

Nah. I suggest you go look up the word "satire" again. It does not mean "I didn't really mean it LOL u dumb" like you seem to be bent on using it. Actually, you agree with the premise of the argument, you just turn it into a LOL argument because that's rhetorically convenient to camouflage your ineptitude at making a cogent response to my earlier points.

Ah. What the hell. That's cool with me.