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Confirmed: D&D Got Woke, Going Broke

Started by RPGPundit, August 11, 2023, 10:18:37 AM

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Grognard GM

#60
August 15, 2023, 06:35:38 PM
Quote from: Jaeger on August 15, 2023, 06:31:09 PM

People give Disney shit for casting her, but she looks way more like a fish than the OG did. I mean, does red headed Ariel have eyes on the side of her head? No.
I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

Theory of Games

#61
August 16, 2023, 06:08:18 AM
Hasbro's just shifting WoTC to a video game company. Once they get the video game up and running they'll be fine. Print's been dead for decades so you gotta move to digital to survive. Fuck books: they were cool once upon a time but computers are way better and everybody knows it.

TTRPGs are just games. Friends are forever.

Jaeger

#62
August 16, 2023, 02:54:26 PM
Quote from: Theory of Games on August 16, 2023, 06:08:18 AM
Hasbro's just shifting WoTC to a video game company. Once they get the video game up and running they'll be fine. Print's been dead for decades so you gotta move to digital to survive. Fuck books: they were cool once upon a time but computers are way better and everybody knows it.



Preach it brother!

The TRUTH has been known for some time now...  ;)

"The envious are not satisfied with equality; they secretly yearn for superiority and revenge."

Scooter

#63
August 16, 2023, 03:23:13 PM
Quote from: Theory of Games on August 16, 2023, 06:08:18 AM
Hasbro's just shifting WoTC to a video game company.


Well, they tried making a TTRPG play like a video game (4E) so maybe they will do better the other way 'round.  But, I won't buy in to it.
There is no saving throw vs. stupidity

Secrets of Blackmoor

#64
August 16, 2023, 05:44:35 PM
I tried reading through all of this and it goes off into the weeds in so many digressions that I have zero energy to parse it all to find the info I seek.


I do have questions:

What is the number on sales of early successful modules for 5e?

11K sounds bad even without knowing that number.

Where does this data come from?

And Lastly, can you post those humbers here so it is easier to make comparisons?

Thanks, Griff

BadApple

#65
August 16, 2023, 05:51:05 PM
Quote from: Secrets of Blackmoor on August 16, 2023, 05:44:35 PM
I tried reading through all of this and it goes off into the weeds in so many digressions that I have zero energy to parse it all to find the info I seek.


I do have questions:

What is the number on sales of early successful modules for 5e?

11K sounds bad even without knowing that number.

Where does this data come from?

And Lastly, can you post those humbers here so it is easier to make comparisons?

Thanks, Griff

The numbers come from a distribution company. 

I don't have the numbers but the earlier modules sold very well and the later ones dropped off hard.  The best comparison is the the numbers for the first  four weeks of release..  Also, nostalgia bait seems to sell better than WOTC originals.
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Jaeger

#66
August 16, 2023, 07:01:56 PM
Quote from: BadApple on August 16, 2023, 05:51:05 PM
Quote from: Secrets of Blackmoor on August 16, 2023, 05:44:35 PM
I tried reading through all of this and it goes off into the weeds in so many digressions that I have zero energy to parse it all to find the info I seek.


I do have questions:

What is the number on sales of early successful modules for 5e?

11K sounds bad even without knowing that number.

Where does this data come from?

And Lastly, can you post those humbers here so it is easier to make comparisons?

Thanks, Griff

The numbers come from a distribution company. 

I don't have the numbers but the earlier modules sold very well and the later ones dropped off hard.  The best comparison is the the numbers for the first  four weeks of release..  Also, nostalgia bait seems to sell better than WOTC originals.

Specifically the ones shown in this video:



You can just take the slider to the points in the video where he shows the spreadsheet and pause to take a look for your self.

Take screen caps to save if you really feel the need.



"The envious are not satisfied with equality; they secretly yearn for superiority and revenge."

Omega

#67
August 16, 2023, 07:09:57 PM
I'm surprised wotc has not come out and claimed the lagging sales was because of all those horrible right wing -ists who hate diversity and progress.

Scooter

#68
August 16, 2023, 07:44:41 PM
Quote from: Jaeger on August 16, 2023, 07:01:56 PM

You can just take the slider to the points in the video where he shows the spreadsheet and pause to take a look for your self.



Wonder how this compares to 3.x sales back in the day.  Good numbers though.  Glad there are so many people into FTTRPG.  Not like the relative handful of us in the 70's.
There is no saving throw vs. stupidity

Ghostmaker

#69
August 17, 2023, 08:08:36 AM
As Billy Mays would say, 'BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!'

How many of those 5E modules are original content, versus how many are updates/remasters of modules from prior editions (ToA, for example)?

Mistwell

#70
August 17, 2023, 10:07:14 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on August 15, 2023, 06:14:30 AM
Right now, D&D is doing so "well" in its sales that it's seriously in doubt whether WotC will even bother to publish dead-tree books after the three core OneDnD books, at all. And in fact, they may even choose not to do so just as a way to be able to fire the useless trash that have produced the recent books without being accused of being 'racists' or 'transphobes'.

It's not at all seriously in doubt. Name one single legit source that has expressed that doubt? They've said directly they will publish dead tree books and while it's fair to call them liars basing that on your personal opinion and then declaring your own opinion the "seriously in doubt" evidence is silly.

Mistwell

#71
August 17, 2023, 10:08:53 AM
Quote from: Omega on August 16, 2023, 07:09:57 PM
I'm surprised wotc has not come out and claimed the lagging sales was because of all those horrible right wing -ists who hate diversity and progress.

You should be since they never came out and made that claim?

Klytus

#72
August 17, 2023, 11:00:18 AM
The fact that those sales numbers don't include Amazon makes them borderline worthless. Millennials and Zoomer, who are the majority market for 5E, do almost all their shopping on Amazon, where the D&D books have been consistent bestsellers.
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Grognard GM

#73
August 17, 2023, 11:46:00 AM
Quote from: Klytus on August 17, 2023, 11:00:18 AM
The fact that those sales numbers don't include Amazon makes them borderline worthless. Millennials and Zoomer, who are the majority market for 5E, do almost all their shopping on Amazon, where the D&D books have been consistent bestsellers.

I feel like if we really want to get the information out of them, we should use the bore-worms.
I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

Scooter

#74
August 17, 2023, 12:33:20 PM
Quote from: Klytus on August 17, 2023, 11:00:18 AM
The fact that those sales numbers don't include Amazon makes them borderline worthless.

There is probably a multiplier that can be applied consistently to other channel figures to give a good idea of Amazon's numbers.  5:1 is probably close.  5X the figures above for Amazon 
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