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Combat Wheelchairs in the Ministry of Truth (WotC retroactive book revision)

Started by Marchand, July 13, 2020, 02:02:53 AM

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ponta1010

#30
July 13, 2020, 05:58:34 PM
Quote from: Brad;1139567O/U on how many months until they're asking to include people in comas.

Ok you asked for it.....

,people,

(Sorry horrible joke, but I just couldn't resist)
I just wanna fight some fuckin' dragons! Is that too much to ask? - Ghostmaker

tenbones

#31
July 13, 2020, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: Brad;1139567O/U on how many months until they're asking to include people in comas.

I'll go long and give it at least 12. Because think of all the other possibilities that exist between here and there! So many outrages to choose from! So many problematic issues to resolve!

crkrueger

#32
July 13, 2020, 09:00:50 PM
Quote from: tenbones;1139540Well don't go staking this in the ground as the low-point. Someone will go yet further... something more ludicrous. But this was pretty low (i.e. stupid).

It doesn't fill me with confidence that this was written by a paid Consultant/Sensitivity reader who works for R. Talsorian Games either.
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crkrueger

#33
July 13, 2020, 09:03:25 PM
Quote from: LiferGamer;1139539I don't remember specifics, but in the Joel Rosenberg Guardians of the flame series, the players get transferred into their characters bodies and the guy who plays the dwarf happened to have cerebral palsy or something similar. While the rest of the party wanted to get back to the real world he was going to help him but there was no damn way he was going back.

I am not disabled, but I find this shit offencive to logic and misguided at best.

Well, I live in constant pain due to 2 herniated lumbar disks.  It's nothing compared to Cerebral Palsy and if you gave me the option to live as one of my Dwarf PCs, I'd be tempted.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

GeekyBugle

#34
July 13, 2020, 10:32:46 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;1139601It doesn't fill me with confidence that this was written by a paid Consultant/Sensitivity reader who works for R. Talsorian Games either.

Oh fuck! Not R. Talsorian Games too!
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LiferGamer

#35
July 13, 2020, 10:48:35 PM
As others have pointed out in the thread, this could make an interesting NPC, could be a handy gadget if for example, your Regeneration spell takes a while to finish, or maybe in a points based mystery/urban game if you want to pull a Nero Wolfe (or more appropriately Garret PI and the Dead Man), maybe.

You damn sure aren't going in any Dungeons or fighting any Dragons.

If the art had at least shown a spellcaster, it would be slightly less ridiculous.  I think even the non-HEMA/Martial Artist etc. etc. types can agree that melee is reliant on footwork, leverage and reach.
Your Forgotten Realms was my first The Last Jedi.

If the party is gonna die, they want to be riding and blasting/hacking away at a separate one of Tiamat's heads as she plummets towards earth with broken wings while Solars and Planars sing.

Koltar

#36
July 13, 2020, 10:56:21 PM
What The Fuck?
Are They going Nuts?

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TJS

#37
July 13, 2020, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: Koltar;1139623What The Fuck?
Are They going Nuts?

- Ed C

Yes.

VisionStorm

#38
July 13, 2020, 11:40:07 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1139615Oh fuck! Not R. Talsorian Games too!

Get ready for cyber-wheelchairs and computerized area readers that tell blind people what's going on around them. Cuz replacement parts are ableist exclusionary shit, and have no place in our games, or anywhere else!

SHARK

#39
July 13, 2020, 11:56:33 PM
Greetings!

*sigh* In a world of magic, such as D&D, why would anyone bother with a wheelchair? Why wouldn't the DM just have a local mage craft a set of magical legs for the disbled character--and whalaa--problem solved, with no drama required.

Mechanically, I can't imagine very many adventuring groups chomping at the bit to bring along a *physically disabled* character as they seek to dive into dungeons and ruins. The suggestion is just fucking stupid.

Marine Infantry squads and Navy Seal squads don't bring disabled people along on their missions.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

Omega

#40
July 14, 2020, 02:00:40 AM
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;1139431I'm insulted. I am in a wheelchair now, and there's no fucking way cripples go adventuring without somehow having value (and no, your standard D&D PC ain't it, chief) far in excess of the sheer stupidity that (literally, at times) dragging a living boat anchor can be. This bitch is pissing in my face and saying that it's raining. Fuck her "Muh Representayshuns" bullshit.

Theres an older thread where this was discussed at length.

My take on it is that the idea of the character isnt bad. Its the damn wheelchair thats both impractical, and just damn not very imaginative.
There are so many many ways you could do that character right.

What bugs me is that WOTC and others are now relegating us disabled people to yet another check box on their "diversity" checklist. Rather than you know, treating us as human beings. They will reduce us to trophies just like every other "other".

Omega

#41
July 14, 2020, 02:03:06 AM
Quote from: Opaopajr;1139459:confused: Combat Wheelchair. :eek: I have suddenly realized my RPG life has been incomplete without... :D Jousting Palanquins! /rushes off to find my 'Complete Handbook: Fighters' for jousting tournament rules

Theres an old martial arts movie where the heroes have to battle the villain whos on a palanquin of death.

Marchand

#42
July 14, 2020, 02:27:27 AM Last Edit: July 14, 2020, 02:31:50 AM by Marchand
Quote from: VisionStorm;1139636Get ready for cyber-wheelchairs and computerized area readers that tell blind people what's going on around them. Cuz replacement parts are ableist exclusionary shit, and have no place in our games, or anywhere else!

ISTR some diversity-type character tried to shake down R Tal (i.e. tried to tell him, hire me or I will trash your reputation), but Mike Pondsmith told them to eff off. Maybe the story didn't end there.

Memory check failed but I thought some cyberpunk game designer (may or may not have been R Tal) copped flak for the whole too-much-cyberwear-makes-you-insane thing, with somebody trying to make out that was anti-disabled.

**

Obviously, there is a lot of fun to be had in pointing at the combat wheelchair and listing the many, many ways it fails as a concept.

Does nobody else think WotC rewriting the book to order was the scary part? Or are we all just taking that kind of thing in our strides (or wheelspins) these days?
"If the English surrender, it'll be a long war!"
- Scottish soldier on the beach at Dunkirk

Kyle Aaron

#43
July 14, 2020, 03:00:20 AM
Quote from: Omega;1139654What bugs me is that WOTC and others are now relegating us disabled people to yet another check box on their "diversity" checklist. Rather than you know, treating us as human beings. They will reduce us to trophies just like every other "other".
You want to be treated like a human being, and addressed as an individual, not merely a single characteristic?

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Omega

#44
July 14, 2020, 05:26:48 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1139543Ever read 'Call Me Joe' by Poul Anderson? Link here.

I have deep suspicions as to who's pushing this 'disabled activism' and if they're actually, y'know, disabled or crippled in some way. It used to be 'no, they're not disabled or crippled, just differently abled!', now it's 'BEHOLD MY DISABILITY HEAR IT ROAR' or some such.

Its the same marxist/sjw infiltrators. Theyve been playing the "this word that describes you is really a slur and you are oppressed!" gag for a while now and converted a few disabled to the glorious cause. Same damn pattern as in the 90s. Just with new buzzwords and better brainwashing techniques.

Once this BLM disaster plays out they will move on to the disabled to rally them to war. Or the hispanics, or whomever else they can sucker into being meat shields for them.
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