Quote from: Willie the Duck;1030881As always, I'm not sure if we know the actual number, but the prevailing wisdom I had heard was that Pathfinder beeting 4e was the first time D&D wasn't in the #1 slot, although I guess I don't know if that would be in comparison to World of Darkness or to each WoD game individually.

I don't know if Pathfinder was consistently beating D&D just like I don't know of WoD was consistently beating D&D in the 90's. I do know that Pathfinder and WoD had periods were they rivaled D&D which doesn't happen very frequently. But, in the 90's there was another RPG boom where games were selling in the hundreds of thousands of copies outside of D&D.

Quote from: Teodrik;1030336I generally don't believe in the notion of trying getting either girls or women into ttrpgs by just making games based on certain popcultural IP's that appeals to girls and women. Since the appeal of ttrpg medium itself falls on the male side in general.

I have three daughters in elementary school and, naturally, they have been game players all their lives. While they do play video games, they mainly want to play games like Minecraft or Disney Infinity where they can build stuff. They'll spend hours making huge castles out of pink blocks. Usually up in the sky.

As for tabletop games, we are currently running through a sort of RPG-lite game called Stuffed Fables. The game is a dungeon crawler but there's a story element, usually in the form of read-aloud text and some choose-your-response type cards (forex, "you see another doll that's hurt, do you give it some of your stuffiing").

They play this game (and other RPGs) as First Person roleplaying. They will describe their actions as "I do this" or "I am almost dead". [As a note, this is the more old school way of viewing things] which is similar to how they do RPGs.

Back to the main topic, a Disney RPG doesn't have to be a kids game where you play kid characters. Since most Disney Princesses are the age that they can get married (you know, 16+), it would make sense that your characters in such a game would be at least in high school (which might was well be an adult in the eyes of an elementary school kid).

As I mentioned before, considering the popularity of games like Stuffed Fables and Gloomhaven, it would make more financial sense to make a tabletop boardgame with RPG elements than an actual RPG since RPGs are all but dead.

Quote from: jhkim;1030785No, they don't play the same video games at the same rates. But are you claiming that Candy Crush is "real life"?!???

No. I'm not claiming that.

I am claiming that there's something disingenuous in just claiming that "women and girls play 48% of video games" as if they are playing the same video games, because this incomplete claim is then used to justify the idea that Dungeon-crawls and First-person-shooters should be RADICALLY CHANGED to "appeal to female gamers". When in fact, female gamers are mostly not interested in those sorts of games at all, and the real agenda is just to ruin the appeal of those games to MALE GAMERS, who the people using that statistic desperately want to  punish for being male and liking things that are mostly of interest to men, and that they thus believe to be evil and should not exist.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1031310I am claiming that there's something disingenuous in just claiming that "women and girls play 48% of video games" as if they are playing the same video games, because this incomplete claim is then used to justify the idea that Dungeon-crawls and First-person-shooters should be RADICALLY CHANGED to "appeal to female gamers". When in fact, female gamers are mostly not interested in those sorts of games at all, and the real agenda is just to ruin the appeal of those games to MALE GAMERS, who the people using that statistic desperately want to  punish for being male and liking things that are mostly of interest to men, and that they thus believe to be evil and should not exist.

Should D&D be radically changed to appeal to female gamers?  No, I don't think so.  But what we're talking about here - the topic of the thread - is a Disney RPG, which would presumably be quite different from D&D.  When talking about a Disney RPG, I think the statistic about female gamers is very relevant.

A Disney RPG won't be about ruining the appeal of games to male gamers - it would be a new thing.

Meanwhile in the 5e Monster Manual. No one plays D&D like Gaston!

In A way there all ready are some Disney rpgs to an extent I know of A few princess rpgs that are very much aping Disney princesses and then there's fairy's vs pirates  (I think thats what it's called) that's totally aping the Disney fairies license .

I suppose there might be some pseudo-disney RPGs, but none that has been a big hit.