Just what the tin says.
Anytime a CoC has been demanded and then adopted it has led to turmoil and even bankruptcy (see the Gnome Foundation).
Well, it's the TTRPGs turn now, this will only accelerate the destruction of some publishers.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/315105/Code-of-Conduct-for-RPG-Projects?manufacturers_id=12327 (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/315105/Code-of-Conduct-for-RPG-Projects?manufacturers_id=12327)
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133439Just what the tin says.
Anytime a CoC has been demanded and then adopted it has led to turmoil and even bankruptcy (see the Gnome Foundation).
Well, it's the TTRPGs turn now, this will only accelerate the destruction of some publishers.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/315105/Code-of-Conduct-for-RPG-Projects?manufacturers_id=12327 (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/315105/Code-of-Conduct-for-RPG-Projects?manufacturers_id=12327)
Have you read it? Though my knee jerk reaction is to agree with you, it does strike me that there are male feminists out there who may need a guide as to how to act around IRL females.
Quote from: oggsmash;1133446Have you read it? Though my knee jerk reaction is to agree with you, it does strike me that there are male feminists out there who may need a guide as to how to act around IRL females.
Yes I have read it, and while I agree about the Male Feminists, this has never ended well. If any employee starts demanding you adopt some CoC it's time to fire them.
Edited to add:
Just for an example:
"Violating Sensitive Topics
o Posting or displaying sexually explicit or violent material.
o Creating project content that is offensive or otherwise violates the Code of Conduct"
The wording is vague enough that it will be used to out competent people for stupid shit. It will also encompass stuff you do on your free time not in the name of the company.
"Offensive content" What exactly is that? Is there an objective way to measure it? Writing about the Aztec culture while not being an Aztec will land you in trouble if someone says it finds it "offensive" because it's "cultural appropriation".
"Sexually Explicit Material" Have you seen what they deem "Sexually Explicit"?
"Violent Material" This could land you in trouble just by sharing a meme of Dragon Ball.
A solution is to preemptively adopt the NCoC (https://github.com/domgetter/NCoC)
It's such a shame how everyone has to adopt this now. I'm so sorry that you've been forced to adhere to this new Code of Conduct. Here's a virtual hug for your troubles (VIRTUAL HUG).
lib·er·ty - the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.
So, in summary, selling a document about doing something that GeekyBugle doesn't like = oppression. Also, when did you put these people in charge? Don't they have to be an authority to oppress you?
Quote from: trechriron;1133480It's such a shame how everyone has to adopt this now. I'm so sorry that you've been forced to adhere to this new Code of Conduct. Here's a virtual hug for your troubles (VIRTUAL HUG).
lib·er·ty - the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.
So, in summary, selling a document about doing something that GeekyBugle doesn't like = oppression. Also, when did you put these people in charge? Don't they have to be an authority to oppress you?
LOL, very funny, I don't claim to be oppressed by these ass-wipes, but as for them being in charge... It depends where and to what extent.
And I don't need to be oppressed by these ass-wipes to be able to criticize them and to point exactly how they'll oppress others, because I have freedom of speech a functioning brain and have seen them do it before.
Sorry I offended you by criticizing your cult.
I love the cover. They ticked all the boxes. Glad there's no middle aged 'white dudes', phew!
Just use your common sense for FFS.
The best use for this type of stuff is for your recycle bin.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133449Yes I have read it, and while I agree about the Male Feminists, this has never ended well. If any employee starts demanding you adopt some CoC it's time to fire them.
Edited to add:
Just for an example:
"Violating Sensitive Topics
o Posting or displaying sexually explicit or violent material.
o Creating project content that is offensive or otherwise violates the Code of Conduct"
I'm surprised how much we share in common, in spite of our different backgrounds. I'm against censorship of any type, actually, and am ok with having to wade through offensive material or publications from time-to-time in order to find excellent quality roleplaying material and supplements.
How much junk should I have to wade through though, in order to finds the gems. the diamonds in roleplaying design and philosophy? and the games that appeal to, and are good for, gamers?
Quote from: GameDaddy;1133505I'm surprised how much we share in common, in spite of our different backgrounds. I'm against censorship of any type, actually, and am ok with having to wade through offensive material or publications from time-to-time in order to find excellent quality roleplaying material and supplements.
How much junk should I have to wade through though, in order to finds the gems. the diamonds in roleplaying design and philosophy? and the games that appeal to, and are good for, gamers?
As much or as little as you want, as long as you don't try to limit the freedom of others to publish such material that YOU find offensive and thus deprive others from getting it who might enjoy it.
Obvious exceptions to illegal materials are to be made but even there one has to wonder if the government has the right to prohibit them and if it's correct to prohibit everything that has been prohibited.
Quote from: trechriron;1133480It's such a shame how everyone has to adopt this now. I'm so sorry that you've been forced to adhere to this new Code of Conduct. Here's a virtual hug for your troubles (VIRTUAL HUG).
lib·er·ty - the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.
So, in summary, selling a document about doing something that GeekyBugle doesn't like = oppression. Also, when did you put these people in charge? Don't they have to be an authority to oppress you?
Trent, man, come on. Codes of Conduct have been used to asymmetrically punish wrongthink in tech for years now. This stupid shit has ousted creators from their own project and did significant damage to NodeJS (which might've been a blessing in disguise, but then again, I hate JS). At one point the most popular tech CoC, used by major companies, said that there was no such thing as sexism against men, no matter how abusive the content (tested and including against tweets with #KillAllMen).
https://twitter.com/unconed/status/1045325718056554498 (via http://acko.net/blog/falling-into-faith/ )
https://medium.com/@rvagg/the-truth-about-rod-vagg-f063f6a53557
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq7m2oQdJEA
https://www.theregister.com/2018/02/21/freebsd_code_of_conduct_controversy/
Quote from: The Register"We're not banning things, per se," Rice said. "You have to put the onus on people not to offend."
This is a hopeless endeavor of fear and self-censorship. The only winning move is to teach people to self-advocate and to stand up for their needs and their wants, and negotiate with others accordingly. It's making tech miserable to be in, even as a minority; spreading it into RPGs is worth resisting. We can slay dragons together, surely we can talk through how to cooperate.
FML, I was trying to stay out of this thread.
We knew this was coming.
Is it any surprise they have stepped up the threats of censorship after the prior threats of censoring games and designers?
Expect things to get worse. Eventually they will just put to the block any game they or the SJW cult deem "offensive".
If you bring a SJW into your project, you get what you deserve. No CoC can save you from their idiocy.
aww diduum the widdle conservative got butt hurt that his frenzied attacks on females and children aren't accepted anymore
I'm definitely going to pay big bucks out to a sensitivity reader for my next RPG project.
Quote from: Taggie;1133564aww diduum the widdle conservative got butt hurt that his frenzied attacks on females and children aren't accepted anymore
I normally don't feed the trolls, but I have to admit I'd love to see your face when the institutions that administer the COCs determine that showing same-sex relationships could be offensive to the very religious and violate their code of conduct. Somehow I don't think you'd be such a fan.
For the non-smoothbrained reading this: the purpose of codes like this is to leverage other people's principles against them. Most people generally believe in rule-following. So, if you create a rule that is vague enough so you can selectively enforce it, you can defend your attacks against your ideological opponents as "following the rules" and make it harder for your opponents to disagree without seeming to be hypocrites. The key to every rule is not what it says, but what principle it follows and who gets to interpret it. And leftists don't have principles; they have tactics.
BTW, has anyone ever noticed that if you try to say "COCs" like it's a word, it perfectly describes the kind of people that support them? :p
Quote from: Omega;1133545We knew this was coming.
Is it any surprise they have stepped up the threats of censorship after the prior threats of censoring games and designers?
Expect things to get worse. Eventually they will just put to the block any game they or the SJW cult deem "offensive".
It's not about the games. It's about the people who make and play the games. It's about controlling those people - controlling us. The games are just another vector of control.
Greetings!
Oh, geesus. Normal people need to grow some fucking balls and start resisting the goddamn Liberals at every step. Bullshit like this "Code of Conduct." What? Why the fuck do writers, creators, and game designers need to have a "Code of Conduct?" It's just more fucking Marxism. More Language Distortion, and just yet another eample of whining, cock-sucking Communists trying to subvert part of our culture.
Say NO to them. Each and every time. Tell them to go fuck themselves. Shame them. Laugh at them. Mock them mercilessly, and make them cry and sob and feel rejected. People have to seriously wake the fuck up to how insidious, corrosive, and evil Communists are. Yes, they are ideological monsters just like Nazis. So, people need to treat Communists and their ideas--just like Nazis.
When are we going to be fed up with Communist subversion of our culture, and our country?
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Authoritarians gonna authoritate.
Quote from: Taggie;1133564aww diduum the widdle conservative got butt hurt that his frenzied attacks on females and children aren't accepted anymore
Based on the BLM riot's "success", frenzied attacks on innocents is the new liberal hotness.
But what the fuck were you talking about?
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133492...
Sorry I offended you by criticizing your cult.
Not my cult. Thanks for the apology. I accept donut bouquets as a sign of restitution.
I get the push back. I don't feel the need to use the CoC in my project (as an example). I'm ok if others want one. If the end result is tons of censorship and authoritarian oppression, I would see this as a threat (and join the vociferous push back). As it stands, I'm pretty sure it will sell 200 copies and be adopted by 10 people, of which one will be published (maybe).
I am more worried about DTRPG's frequent desire to silence publishers that the Outrage Brigade doesn't like. That is considerably more threatening than this obscure CoC (not being enforced by anyone that I can tell).
Yikes! How disturbing. I'd gladly drop the hobby if it became a standard. My CoC is based on the principle of free speech and the liberties of delivering a work of art free of the control of weirdos like that. Thank God I won't be alive 100 years from now.
Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1133682Yikes! How disturbing. I'd gladly drop the hobby if it became a standard. My CoC is based on the principle of free speech and the liberties of delivering a work of art free of the control of weirdos like that. Thank God I won't be alive 100 years from now.
Amen!
Play me games my way.
Quote from: The Exploited.;1133570I'm definitely going to pay big bucks out to a sensitivity reader for my next RPG project.
I'm sure you could convince RPGPundit to do it for a reasonable price.
Quote from: trechriron;1133678Not my cult. Thanks for the apology. I accept donut bouquets as a sign of restitution.
I get the push back. I don't feel the need to use the CoC in my project (as an example). I'm ok if others want one. If the end result is tons of censorship and authoritarian oppression, I would see this as a threat (and join the vociferous push back). As it stands, I'm pretty sure it will sell 200 copies and be adopted by 10 people, of which one will be published (maybe).
I am more worried about DTRPG's frequent desire to silence publishers that the Outrage Brigade doesn't like. That is considerably more threatening than this obscure CoC (not being enforced by anyone that I can tell).
Not being enforced by anyone YET.
But since you bring up DTTRPG, wanna bet they will be made to adopt this CoC or one very similar? Wanna bet it will be used to oust even more of those "problematic"tm people?
You say you want to wait till you see them do it, I'm telling you it has already been done in other places where such things have been adopted. But hey feel free to keep burying your head in the sand, I bet it will work wonders in preventing everything going to shit.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133701Not being enforced by anyone YET.
But since you bring up DTTRPG, wanna bet they will be made to adopt this CoC or one very similar? Wanna bet it will be used to oust even more of those "problematic"tm people?
You say you want to wait till you see them do it, I'm telling you it has already been done in other places where such things have been adopted. But hey feel free to keep burying your head in the sand, I bet it will work wonders in preventing everything going to shit.
Exactly. The time to root out cancer is
before it metastisizes...
Session Zero as global mandate.
How totalitarian ....
Quote from: Theory of Games;1133722Session Zero as global mandate.
How totalitarian ....
So you didn't read the document...
I fully agree that censorship *will probably* get worse in the future.
I fully agree this CoC nonsense *MAY* be on the horizon.
BUT...
We have enough right-now censorship problems happening today to deal with.
And at this point, even atheists need to beg the Almighty for an asteroid to hit us.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133701Not being enforced by anyone YET.
But since you bring up DTTRPG, wanna bet they will be made to adopt this CoC or one very similar? Wanna bet it will be used to oust even more of those "problematic"tm people?
You say you want to wait till you see them do it, I'm telling you it has already been done in other places where such things have been adopted. But hey feel free to keep burying your head in the sand, I bet it will work wonders in preventing everything going to shit.
So, this is an unofficial product and not the actual Code of Conduct for publishers on DTRPG?
Still, I'm worried that this will be used as the stepping stone to an official censorship policy like you said.
I've had enough of the moral bullshit.
If you're self-publishing RPG's, then I suggest you also open up venues on Lulu or other sites as well. They have their own problems, but it's a much bigger pond so you don't have to worry about WOTC or the punk commissars at Onyx Path and RPG.net brigading DTRPG to ban you for wrongthink.
Quote from: Taggie;1133564aww diduum the widdle conservative got butt hurt that his frenzied attacks on females and children aren't accepted anymore
Can't tell if trolling or just retarded
Don't you have a Crass concert to attend, you pretentious loser?
Quote from: Taggie;1133564aww diduum the widdle conservative got butt hurt that his frenzied attacks on females and children aren't accepted anymore
Google didn't translate. It just said "Error 4b 65 76 69 6e 20 53 6d 61 6c 6c 20 54 61 6c 6b syntax untranslatable".
I said "what the hell", and applied it to hexadecimal... "Kevin Small Talk". Which led me to this (https://youtu.be/_K-L9uhsBLM).
Then I got it. You're a retard.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133439Just what the tin says.
Anytime a CoC has been demanded and then adopted it has led to turmoil and even bankruptcy (see the Gnome Foundation).
Well, it's the TTRPGs turn now, this will only accelerate the destruction of some publishers.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/315105/Code-of-Conduct-for-RPG-Projects?manufacturers_id=12327 (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/315105/Code-of-Conduct-for-RPG-Projects?manufacturers_id=12327)
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133455A solution is to preemptively adopt the NCoC (https://github.com/domgetter/NCoC)
OK, I've downloaded and read both.
The CoC is an invitation to a shitshow. Let's say that you were the project owner and have given an artist a small advance to commission some work for your project (pay in full upon completion) and the art is overdue, placing the entire project behind schedule.
None of that business process is covered by the CoC. If the project owner contacts the artist and asks "Where is my artwork?", the closest the CoC comes is to treat this as harassment. Which does nothing but cause the project owner's problem to increase to potentially epic proportions.
This CoC isn't designed to help, but to hinder work on a project. I'd really question the worth of a contributor requiring one of these before working because it is all common sense that people should already know.
Now take a look at the NCoC (https://github.com/domgetter/NCoC)
Quote from: NCoCWhat is NCoC?
No Code Of Conduct is a groundbreaking new idea. Designed to help you find communities and projects that will not get stuck endlessly debating how members should behave in their communities, only to be found to never be fully resolved to anyone's liking.
What if... we all agreed?
We are all adults. Capable of having adult discussions.
We accept everyones contributions, we don't care if you're liberal or conservative, black or white, straight or gay, or anything in between! In fact, we won't bring it up, or ask. We simply do not care.
Nothing else matters!
Q: Great! How do I add this to my project?
Simply copy CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md into the root directory of your project. You may modify it to your needs.
Q: How do I promote No Code of Conduct?
Feel free to talk about, discuss, and promote No Code of Conduct anywhere you wish, and use the hashtag #NCoC on Twitter.
Q: What if, this makes me feel discriminated against?
If you feel this way simply because we do not have a code of conduct, it is hard for anyone to relate to you. This is not intended to discriminate against anyone. Simply because we don't babysit people on our site to make sure they treat you with respect, does not mean we hope you feel unwelcome, or that you are treated without respect. That is just not something we have time for.
Q: Without a CoC, how would I possibly feel safe engaging in your community? How would I raise a red flag if I am mistreated?
The way you would go about this in any other discussion forum. If you limit yourself to participating in things that only have codes of conduct, then you're limiting yourself as a human being on this marvelous place we call the internet. It is not this community's place to care about individual feelings. We leave that to the individuals. The internet is a big place, you should prepare yourself to deal with it.
Q: If you don't have a CoC, this will surely be the end of your project, and the end of some talented individuals contributing to it!
There is plenty of proof that not having a CoC is a workable solution. While the linux community for example may not be warm and helpful, there is nothing wrong or offensive about it, and you certainly will not be harassed unless you harass people there.
Q: What about non-internet communications, such as a place of work, or a conference?
These understandably are different. Often sane communities will have a CoC that is unique to their physical location, and/or event. In different parts of the world, the needs are different (see "he" vs "she" vs "they" vs people that do not have English as their primary language). We are talking about the internet here, not physical meet ups, and that requires we do not care about the unimportant parts of how people talk.
Q: Without a CoC, how would this community be welcoming to newcomers, and not become vile, intimidating, or have some other type of unwelcome agenda?
We strive to lead by example. We feel there are enough level-headed adults here to back you up. However, if someone tells you you are stupid, or wrong. Stop. Think. Does this have anything to do with your race, region, religion, or anything else not related to this project? This is a tricky one. Have you considered, that they are either having a bad day, are a bad listener, or possibly, you are wrong? If you feel you're not wrong, please, by all means, reply. We love discussion! We love our members. We are confident if you are a level-headed adult, you will be treated like one. Other level-headed adults want to hear from you.
Q: Your name is offensive. CoC sounds like Cock, and I feel that this is a group of white males that is trying to downplay the seriousness of this issue in our community, and I boycott your movement, and am going to tell others to as well!
That wasn't really a question, but we will answer it anyways. This is an example of starting a fire where there does not need to be one. Try to be more tolerant of others and not read into their deep inner views. We have said clearly over and over that we don't care who you are, where you come from, or where you're going. We value intelligent discussion on our topic, and that's it. If you want to not use any community that adopts NCoC, that is fine. But please do listen to the content, and do not read too far in-between the lines. It simply stands for No Code of Conduct.
Q: Oh no, it has definitely happened! Someone has treated me unfairly, and I'm 100% sure its related to something about who I am, and not related to what I have said or contributed directly.
Email that person, and try to work it out. Email the owners of the community, and alert them. Whatever you do, do not make a scene, as that will burden the entire community with your issue. If it's truly a problem and you're truly an asset to the community then you will probably get an email back. Sometimes, you have to be the bigger person. Say your piece privately, and don't dwell on it. Remember, this is not the time or place to start these kind of discussions. If someone else did this to you, that is unclassy, but there is only so much a moderator and personal discussion can accomplish. I am afraid that bringing to a larger group will be of poor form, and not helpful.
Q: What about off-topic chatter?
Off topic chatter should be discouraged, but not censored. NCoC is targeting things like open source projects and public online communities based around specific topics.
Q: How can I contribute to your project or community when I see someone said something on a different site or community which directly makes me feel awful?
We are not in the business of policing people's personal lives. Hopefully they also don't care about that when they are here. Part of not discriminating against people, is not discriminating against people. This is not world court. Sometimes people have different views. Just because they express this elsewhere, doesn't mean we don't care. If you are so stuck that a member of our community does or is something you don't like elsewhere, then you should probably not be here.
Q: As a community manager or leader, what happens when the mob arrives, or when someone starts to engage in discussion that could lead to more endless discussion?
Lock, and ban your way to freedom. This is unfortunate. Try to not delete anything, or you will be accused of censorship. But you have no other choice. Do not engage. Abort, abort abort! You should really be very brief, vague, and closed off in these discussions. Say something like: "hey, this is not the place to discuss this, please reach out to each other privately or on another medium to discuss it. This group is strictly about topics relating to $YOUR_TOPIC". End.
Q: WTF, the discussion was locked, and/or I can't reply!?
Once again, we are not going to tolerate our community being overridden by the mob. If this starts to happen, we will nuke, delete, lock, close, ban, and do whatever we have to do to put the fire out. These discussions drag on and on and on, and they don't make communities better.
Q: Why don't you care about my feelings?
We are not a support group for human emotion. We are a community that strives to focus around our topics. Anything else takes away from that.
It simply means, act like an adult and you will be treated like an adult.
Fucking brilliant!
I'll take two, please!
Code of Conduct: I swear by Gygax's loaded dice that I will show up on time, and bring along snacks, dice and my wits!
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1133742Can't tell if trolling or just retarded
Don't you have a Crass concert to attend, you pretentious loser?
utterly serious, not going to go softly softly around the dangerous psycho sexual disease that is conservatism any more, to many rapes and murders because of it, every single say, to good a network of cover up and obfuscation around the malignant, cannibalistic cult, now remember, you want your conservative badge, and the daily ration of kiddie porn, you have to say your heil putins, the irredeemable evil of conservatism is a clear and present danger to every child on the planet, they can't control themselves in the mindless rape frenzy of the republican.
Quote from: Almost_Useless;1133693I'm sure you could convince RPGPundit to do it for a reasonable price.
Yep, he'd be my first choice. :)
Imagine all the SJW tears. Nice!
Quote from: Taggie;1133798utterly serious, not going to go softly softly around the dangerous psycho sexual disease that is conservatism any more, to many rapes and murders because of it, every single say, to good a network of cover up and obfuscation around the malignant, cannibalistic cult, now remember, you want your conservative badge, and the daily ration of kiddie porn, you have to say your heil putins, the irredeemable evil of conservatism is a clear and present danger to every child on the planet, they can't control themselves in the mindless rape frenzy of the republican.
It's pretty clear that you're not a stable person, but I'm a hopeless optimist, so this is a WARNING.
You're totally welcome to be as liberal as you like, but anyone engaging in slanders against other members of this forum that suggest the things you suggested above will be banned, regardless of politics.
Don't post in this thread again, and don't post this sort of garbage anywhere again, or you'll be banned. I'd say the exact same thing to a conservative poster saying anything like the above to a liberal poster.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1133802It's pretty clear that you're not a stable person, but I'm a hopeless optimist, so this is a WARNING.
You're totally welcome to be as liberal as you like, but anyone engaging in slanders against other members of this forum that suggest the things you suggested above will be banned, regardless of politics.
Don't post in this thread again, and don't post this sort of garbage anywhere again, or you'll be banned. I'd say the exact same thing to a conservative poster saying anything like the above to a liberal poster.
Greetings!
Excellent, Pundit!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
QuoteLet's say that you were the project owner and have given an artist a small advance to commission some work for your project (pay in full upon completion) and the art is overdue, placing the entire project behind schedule. None of that business process is covered by the CoC. If the project owner contacts the artist and asks "Where is my artwork?", the closest the CoC comes is to treat this as harassment.
The project owner and artist should be working to a mutually agreed contract that covers what happens in the event of delay or non-delivery. It's the contract's job to cover that kind of shit, not a code of conduct's. If project owners don't want to be bothered with a contract, and work on trust and prayers, that's fine, but when stuff turns to shit, then the project owner is going to have problems, because there's nothing in place that shows what the agreement was, that the artist consented to those terms, and what the recourse will be if the contract terms aren't met.
Aside from that, I agree that the CoC on DTRPG is a shit show. It does throw up some potentially interesting use cases though. If companies rush to adopt this CoC, then the clause around 'Professional Behavior' is going to cause real issues for any positive discrimination projects, where they court contributions solely from minorities and marginalized groups: "The work environment will be professional. The conditions and work offered to team members will be based
on skill and professional factors. When team members are offered opportunities, they will not be contingent on
anything other than professional considerations." (my emphasis).
So deliberately restricting contributions only to minorities, whatever they may be, will likely violate the CoC, unless it can be shown that being of a minority is actually a 'professional consideration', and the project's success is contingent on contributors being from that minority. Basically, if you adopt this CoC, then you're also going to need to get a lawyer to look over any projects you're thinking of launching that carry any kind of positive bias, to ensure you're not violating your own code.
Adopting this code opens up all flavors of canned worms. For small companies and one man bands (especially SJW teeny tiny publishers), adopting the code as it is may be more problematic than they think. For the big players like WotC, they'll have their own corporate codes anyway, so why bother with this?
Quote from: Taggie;1133798utterly serious, not going to go softly softly around the dangerous psycho sexual disease that is conservatism any more, to many rapes and murders because of it, every single say, to good a network of cover up and obfuscation around the malignant, cannibalistic cult, now remember, you want your conservative badge, and the daily ration of kiddie porn, you have to say your heil putins, the irredeemable evil of conservatism is a clear and present danger to every child on the planet, they can't control themselves in the mindless rape frenzy of the republican.
You really are insane, aren't you? Calm down.
I'm not a conservative, btw.
Quote from: Taggie;1133798utterly serious, not going to go softly softly around the dangerous psycho sexual disease that is conservatism any more, to many rapes and murders because of it, every single say, to good a network of cover up and obfuscation around the malignant, cannibalistic cult, now remember, you want your conservative badge, and the daily ration of kiddie porn, you have to say your heil putins, the irredeemable evil of conservatism is a clear and present danger to every child on the planet, they can't control themselves in the mindless rape frenzy of the republican.
I want to see this world in your head in animated form.
Quote from: tenbones;1133873I want to see this world in your head in animated form.
I bet it is CHAZtastic!
Quote from: Taggie;1133798utterly serious, not going to go softly softly around the dangerous psycho sexual disease that is conservatism any more, to many rapes and murders because of it, every single say, to good a network of cover up and obfuscation around the malignant, cannibalistic cult, now remember, you want your conservative badge, and the daily ration of kiddie porn, you have to say your heil putins, the irredeemable evil of conservatism is a clear and present danger to every child on the planet, they can't control themselves in the mindless rape frenzy of the republican.
I really love how the only bigotry that's acceptable is your own.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1133777Code of Conduct: I swear by Gygax's loaded dice that I will show up on time, and bring along snacks, dice and my wits!
OK, I take it back. This one I fully support. :D
I don't see how DTRPG *could* legal require any publisher to adhere to any CoC during the creation of content.
AKA, DTRPG is a sales platform for content. It isn't involved in the production phase.
What is legally possible is freelancers could demand publishers agree to a certain CoC before doing work...
...but that's when the publisher just says NO. Few freelancers can impose terms on publishers.
We just had a freelancer try to strong arm our company to accept their terms. It was comical. Unless your skill set is rare and your work product excellent, most freelancers can be replaced like widgets.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1133935I don't see how DTRPG *could* legal require any publisher to adhere to any CoC during the creation of content.
AKA, DTRPG is a sales platform for content. It isn't involved in the production phase.
What is legally possible is freelancers could demand publishers agree to a certain CoC before doing work...
...but that's when the publisher just says NO. Few freelancers can impose terms on publishers.
We just had a freelancer try to strong arm our company to accept their terms. It was comical. Unless your skill set is rare and your work product excellent, most freelancers can be replaced like widgets.
A distributor can choose not to deal with a producer for many reasons (or, sometimes, for no reason at all). When that distributor has as much influence as DTRPG does for RPG pdfs, that can amount to blackballing.
Defined expectations are useful and codes of conduct define expectations. I think that's part of the problem our society is struggling with right now. A long time ago we had defined expectations that were very rigid and classist and religiously based and we decided to jetison them but never really put anything back in their place. So, now we have people who are shocked that in the absence of codes of conduct people didn't know how to act and did stupid and evil things. In principle I belive that people need to govern themselves but it doesn't help to not know what's expected. Of course, then you get into the question of who should define those expectations. The answer is, of course, me. I don't understand how everybody else can get the same answer and be so absolutely wrong at the same time.
Quote from: David Johansen;1133949Defined expectations are useful and codes of conduct define expectations. I think that's part of the problem our society is struggling with right now. A long time ago we had defined expectations that were very rigid and classist and religiously based and we decided to jetison them but never really put anything back in their place. So, now we have people who are shocked that in the absence of codes of conduct people didn't know how to act and did stupid and evil things. In principle I belive that people need to govern themselves but it doesn't help to not know what's expected. Of course, then you get into the question of who should define those expectations. The answer is, of course, me. I don't understand how everybody else can get the same answer and be so absolutely wrong at the same time.
When the CoC suggests that ANY complaint, no matter how insane, about someone in your company MUST be believed and the accused must be punished up to and including denial of pay and royalties, that's not "clearly defined expectations", that's East Germany.
In East Germany, the secret police come for you in the middle of the night. The present state of affairs is 1950s McCarthyism with bigotry standing in for Communism.
Quote from: David Johansen;1133882I really love how the only bigotry that's acceptable is your own.
It's all about their personal bigotry being acceptable and more importantly all about the carefully constructed personal narratives. Anything that goes against the ALMIGHTY narrative does not exist.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1135037When the CoC suggests that ANY complaint, no matter how insane, about someone in your company MUST be believed and the accused must be punished up to and including denial of pay and royalties, that's not "clearly defined expectations", that's East Germany.
I never had plans to write for rpgs yet with this kind of insane bullshit in the CoC I never ever will that is just insane.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1135037When the CoC suggests that ANY complaint, no matter how insane, about someone in your company MUST be believed and the accused must be punished up to and including denial of pay and royalties, that's not "clearly defined expectations", that's East Germany.
Including this.
QuoteThe Project Owner is expected to listen to and trust the person reporting the problematic behavior and the person(s) affected. The Project Owner and team members will respect those reporting a violation and those reporting a violation are never to be punished or harassed for reporting
If the Project Owner violates the Code of Conduct, team members may report this to any higher management or to entities that collaborate or work with the product/project. This includes distributors, resellers, vendor and industry groups, conventions, and similar entities.
Yep, and actually they are proving the actual Joe McCarthy right, perhaps not against the specific individuals that he accused of being Communists, but his general accusation that Communists were taking over Hollywood proved to be right on the money. Where once accused Communists were being blacklisted from work in Hollywood, today its conservatives that are being blacklisted.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1133777Code of Conduct: I swear by Gygax's loaded dice that I will show up on time, and bring along snacks, dice and my wits!
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You don't need the last bit. Anyone who brings snacks, dice and their wits is going to participate usefully in the game session. People who are dicks always fail to bring at least one of those three things, and usually all three.
Encourage good behaviour then you don't have to veto bad behaviour. It's more warm and fuzzy that way. Besides which, dicks don't think they're dicks.
It never ceases to surprise me how easily butthurt people get about these sorts of things. Why is it that those typically with the (supposed) deepest love for freedom and liberty have so little faith in the power of free markets? If publishers want to use a CoC, and think it will help them produce better products... more power to them. If it's purely virtue signaling and achieves nothing, then who cares?
The wonderful thing about roleplaying is that the entire industry could disappear overnight and as long as you still have some pens and paper, a few dice and a couple of like-minded friends, you can still play games.
Quote from: Tyberious Funk;1135410If publishers want to use a CoC, and think it will help them produce better products... more power to them. If it's purely virtue signaling and achieves nothing, then who cares?
Because it can and allready has been weaponized to harm people. Thats really all it exists for. To allow sociopaths to freely destroy people with no repurcussions. And how the damn thing is worded, any publisher not slavishly following "allways believe the accuser!" will then themselves fall under threat of being accused.
Quote from: Omega;1135417Because it can and allready has been weaponized to harm people. Thats really all it exists for. To allow sociopaths to freely destroy people with no repurcussions. And how the damn thing is worded, any publisher not slavishly following "allways believe the accuser!" will then themselves fall under threat of being accused.
Seconded.
I mean I don't understand why anyone with a quarter of functioning brain cells cannot understand how that is a bad thing.
Two fellow writers have a bad break-up and one decides to ruin the other career with a false accusation the COC as written throws the accused under the bus even if the charge is fake. Then again when it's not them being accused or their life ruined then it's okay.
When the industry is dominated by a few large companies, rather than a lot of small ones, then the danger is they become like Google, they force one set of opinions down the throats of their customer base and instead of going to another competitor, they decide they don't like role playing games anymore and stop playing because RPGs have gotten too political and it is a brand of politics they don't like. One of the reasons I like Dungeons & Dragons is that its generic, you could play a lot of politically incorrect games with it, if you wanted, and if the DM and players are happy with that, it is fine, they might alienate a few players, but that is on them and their gaming group, not on the company that makes the game.
Dungeons and Dragons allows players a lot of freedom and leeway to run their campaign however they see fit, that is not the same with all RPGs, the best example of the other case is with Twilight 2000. Twilight 2000 has a specific world that it applies to, and one day that World didn't happen, so on another website I suggested various ways Twilight 2000 could be updated, since the Soviet Union collapsed, we had to go looking for another "bad guy" to have World War III with, and a lot of people didn't agree with me, there was a lot of controversy. I suggested an alternate history where the Soviet Union didn't collapse, but it would have been different, by the time the Soviet coup failed the Warsaw Pact was gone. So if the coup had succeeded the war would be fought in Poland, but this time Poland would be a NATO ally instead of a Warsaw Pact nation, there was a lot of controversy coming from people who liked Communism and thought they were the good guys.
I also suggested that they could rewrite the history of the 2300 AD game to reflect the realities of the revised Twilight 2000, and then the sh*t hit the fan! A lot of people on the left liked the 2300 timeline, France had its day of glory by not fighting in World War III and becoming a superpower for its cowardice, then the United States got a piece taken out of it by Mexico, and of course Texas declared its independence. What's there for a liberal not to love? I suggested a timeline where World War III didn't happen and they didn't like that at all! With Dungeons & Dragons you don't have this problem, as the game is generic and there is no official setting in which politics comes into play.
Quote from: Taggie;1133564aww diduum the widdle conservative got butt hurt that his frenzied attacks on females and children aren't accepted anymore
Ironic how this troll violates the very CoC being criticized here, but that's the left for ya.
Quote from: SHARK;1133607Why the fuck do writers, creators, and game designers need to have a "Code of Conduct?" It's just more fucking Marxism. More Language Distortion, and just yet another eample of whining, cock-sucking Communists trying to subvert part of our culture.
To be fair The Constitution is
also a Code of Conduct.
Quote from: Taggie;1133798utterly serious, not going to go softly softly around the dangerous psycho sexual disease that is conservatism any more, to many rapes and murders because of it, every single say, to good a network of cover up and obfuscation around the malignant, cannibalistic cult, now remember, you want your conservative badge, and the daily ration of kiddie porn, you have to say your heil putins, the irredeemable evil of conservatism is a clear and present danger to every child on the planet, they can't control themselves in the mindless rape frenzy of the republican.
Right back at ya. (https://imgur.com/a/FI808)
Quote from: RPGPundit;1133802Don't post in this thread again, and don't post this sort of garbage anywhere again, or you'll be banned. I'd say the exact same thing to a conservative poster saying anything like the above to a liberal poster.
Let them speak. The only cause they're hurting is their own.
Quote from: David Johansen;1133949Defined expectations are useful and codes of conduct define expectations. I think that's part of the problem our society is struggling with right now. A long time ago we had defined expectations that were very rigid and classist and religiously based and we decided to jetison them but never really put anything back in their place. So, now we have people who are shocked that in the absence of codes of conduct people didn't know how to act and did stupid and evil things. In principle I belive that people need to govern themselves but it doesn't help to not know what's expected. Of course, then you get into the question of who should define those expectations. The answer is, of course, me. I don't understand how everybody else can get the same answer and be so absolutely wrong at the same time.
Neither do I ;)
Quote from: Tyberious Funk;1135410The wonderful thing about roleplaying is that the entire industry could disappear overnight and as long as you still have some pens and paper, a few dice and a couple of like-minded friends, you can still play games.
You are correct. No matter what stupidity occurs in the industry, we can still play games in our own home, however we would like to play.
But that's not the problem here.
The problem with the leftist takeover of the hobby is they seek to dictate WHO can publish, WHERE you can sell, and WHAT you can write. AKA, its not about the players of games, but the creators of games.
As we are a niche hobby, there isn't much money to go around.
DriveThruRPG is the dominant marketplace for PDF/POD, by a large margin compared to Lulu and allegedly even small press RPGs on Amazon don't sell as well as through DriveThru. Thus, the capitulation of DriveThru endangers the entire small press marketplace. Every author, artist and publisher then must choose capitulation or exile.
The "free market" is a nice idea, but there isn't enough ROI in this niche hobby to justify the capital necessary to overthrow DriveThru or BGG. Anybody could crank out an online marketplace, but without the marketing dollars to draw in customers, you're just creating another marginal business.
It's much akin the situation with YouTube. Those creators banned from YT are welcome on BitChute and others, but their viewership drops to a tiny fraction of YT and the ROI for the creators to keep creating drops to near zero.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1135482The "free market" is a nice idea, but there isn't enough ROI in this niche hobby to justify the capital necessary to overthrow DriveThru or BGG.
The way modern would-be game designers think, it's a good thing Gygax didn't think back when he started. We face obstacles he didn't, like the SJWs, but he faced obstacles we don't, like having to print and handmake every one of the first thousand fucking copies, pay for it all, take it to a con and hope for the best.
Never before in human history has it been so easy for people to publish their writing and get some money for it. Never.
Kyle, I fully agree with you. It's never been easier to self-publish.
However, Gygax didn't invent the "self-published game" wheel though. There was a tradition in the wargame world of poorly typed and badly photocopied pamphlets being sold at gatherings. AKA, a marketplace existed in which he could participate. When he brought D&D to that marketplace, he was taking a big risk, but he knew there was a groundswell of excitement from his players. Of course, that didn't guarantee success or even break even, and he made a bold move with the right product at the right time.
Now we have an established marketplace for RPGs and its easy to reach your audience...BUT you might be cut off from that marketplace if the freakshow mob decides you have wrongthink and must be canceled.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1135575Now we have an established marketplace for RPGs and its easy to reach your audience...BUT you might be cut off from that marketplace if the freakshow mob decides you have wrongthink and must be canceled.
DTRPG isn't like YouTube or Facebook, which are social media platforms and therefore attract customers through the network effect, and it isn't like iTunes which is an ecosystem that keeps customers because of interoperability with their iPhones and iPads. It's just a place to buy PDFs. As a consumer, you buy from them
because they have the game you want. If you wanted a particular game and it happened to be on another platform, that's where you'd buy it from.
Maybe I'm different, but I don't think I've ever bought a game or supplement without first reading third party reviews or getting recommendations (preferably from opinions I trust). I then google to see the best (ie, cheapest) way to buy it... And as long as the vendor offers paypal, I'll pretty much buy from anyone. The moment DTRPG stops selling shit I want, is the moment I stop buying from them.
I couldn't care less if a publisher adopts any kind of CoC. I just care that they create good products... preferably without being dicks along the way.
Quote from: Tyberious Funk;1135594I couldn't care less if a publisher adopts any kind of CoC. I just care that they create good products... preferably without being dicks along the way.
And how would you feel if the Code of Conduct was expanded to mandate certain things be included in products and others excluded. Also how would feel if the product you were waiting failed to materialise because a vague accusation meant that product never got published and the creator was blacked balled from publishers, distributors and public events?
Gagarth, the world wide web is a place where people can even publish child pornography, and mostly nobody bothers them.
Nobody can stop you publishing rpg material.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133439Just what the tin says.
Anytime a CoC has been demanded and then adopted it has led to turmoil and even bankruptcy (see the Gnome Foundation).
Well, it's the TTRPGs turn now, this will only accelerate the destruction of some publishers.
And you know about the comics industry already.
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1135940And you know about the comics industry already.
Yes I know about it very well
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Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1135916Gagarth, the world wide web is a place where people can even publish child pornography, and mostly nobody bothers them.
Nobody can stop you publishing rpg material.
Don't be so fucking stupid.
Quote from: Gagarth;1135785And how would you feel if the Code of Conduct was expanded to mandate certain things be included in products and others excluded. Also how would feel if the product you were waiting failed to materialise because a vague accusation meant that product never got published and the creator was blacked balled from publishers, distributors and public events?
It's a bullshit hypothetical. Because DTRPG, doesn't stop a publisher from producing their content. If they want to implement a CoC and enforce it on sellers, unhappy sellers can, and will opt out. People in this thread are getting their knickers in a twist over the
possibility that a free enterprise
might adopt a CoC. In fact, it's even more of an overreaction because unless I'm misunderstanding the link in the OP, it's just some RPG blogger that's posted the CoC to DTRPG. Is there any evidence the DTRPG are considering adopting a CoC? Or enforcing it on publishers? I've been out of the hobby for a while, so maybe I missed some big development... is this Alphastream guy some kind of influential player or something? Has he got everyone's balls in a vice?
There are a million things to worry about in the world at the moment... THIS is not one of them. Seriously.
Quote from: Tyberious Funk;1135976It's a bullshit hypothetical. Because DTRPG, doesn't stop a publisher from producing their content. If they want to implement a CoC and enforce it on sellers, unhappy sellers can, and will opt out. People in this thread are getting their knickers in a twist over the possibility that a free enterprise might adopt a CoC. In fact, it's even more of an overreaction because unless I'm misunderstanding the link in the OP, it's just some RPG blogger that's posted the CoC to DTRPG. Is there any evidence the DTRPG are considering adopting a CoC? Or enforcing it on publishers? I've been out of the hobby for a while, so maybe I missed some big development... is this Alphastream guy some kind of influential player or something? Has he got everyone's balls in a vice?
There are a million things to worry about in the world at the moment... THIS is not one of them. Seriously.
Please take a look at the links I posted upthread about CoCs in open source and tech. You're right that this is a small threat in RPGs right now. But it's not bullshit, and open source already is a case study about how it becomes a large and damaging force later on in a similar decentralized nerdy group. CoCs are tools of cancel culture. I've never seen them used to protect anyone, but I have seen them used repeatedly to punish and hurt the outgroup unjustly while hiding behind the shield of "just following the rules".
That and the fact Drive Thru, like BGG, has a near monopoly on a section of the gaming community. Being censored or actually removed from there can be a serious blow.
Quote from: Tyberious Funk;1135976It's a bullshit hypothetical. Because DTRPG, doesn't stop a publisher from producing their content. If they want to implement a CoC and enforce it on sellers, unhappy sellers can, and will opt out.
DTRPG has a history of bowing to Leftists with very few exceptions.
CoCs are a growing phenomenon in high tech, book publishing and other industries - and used ax weapons for cancel culture.
CoCs have not yet been adopted by DTRPG, but its not a "bullshit hypothetical" based on their previous behavior
You are right the publisher could still publish their non-CoC product, but not on DTRPG which holds a nigh-monopoly
How many publishers would survive without access to the main marketplace of the entire hobby?
Quote from: Spinachcat;1136058DTRPG has a history of bowing to Leftists with very few exceptions.
CoCs are a growing phenomenon in high tech, book publishing and other industries - and used ax weapons for cancel culture.
CoCs have not yet been adopted by DTRPG, but its not a "bullshit hypothetical" based on their previous behavior
You are right the publisher could still publish their non-CoC product, but not on DTRPG which holds a nigh-monopoly
How many publishers would survive without access to the main marketplace of the entire hobby?
Plus, if DTRPG bans you for being "problematic" would any of the other options not from OBS take you in?
Yes, I know, make your own, until they make your bank kick you to the curve, and payment processors cancel your accounts... Then what?
Quote from: Omega;1136001That and the fact Drive Thru, like BGG, has a near monopoly on a section of the gaming community. Being censored or actually removed from there can be a serious blow.
This--this! Is the issue. When major channels get mucked up it becomes a problem. Pathfinder and D&D are already there. It's getting harder to avoid the leftist political bullshit. When little folks start getting pinched you know there is a problem.
Quote from: Tyberious Funk;1135976It's a bullshit hypothetical. Because DTRPG, doesn't stop a publisher from producing their content. If they want to implement a CoC and enforce it on sellers, unhappy sellers can, and will opt out. People in this thread are getting their knickers in a twist over the possibility that a free enterprise might adopt a CoC. In fact, it's even more of an overreaction because unless I'm misunderstanding the link in the OP, it's just some RPG blogger that's posted the CoC to DTRPG. Is there any evidence the DTRPG are considering adopting a CoC? Or enforcing it on publishers? I've been out of the hobby for a while, so maybe I missed some big development... is this Alphastream guy some kind of influential player or something? Has he got everyone's balls in a vice?
There are a million things to worry about in the world at the moment... THIS is not one of them. Seriously.
It is called a discussion Tyberious Fuckwit. Maybe you missed what has been going on in Film and Television and other places.
Quote from: Gagarth;1136189Maybe you missed what has been going on in Film and Television and other places.
Actually...a VERY interesting thing might just happen to the movie industry.
The big studios have profited during CoronaChan via streaming. The media is hyping the death of the movie theater and how scared people will be of ever returning to a movie theater. Studios are talking about how they don't need movie theaters anymore because of streaming services.
Interestingly enough, this has led theater chains to reach out internationally and to low budget producers, aka those production houses who aren't beholden to Woke Bitch Hollyweird. Who knows how this will play out. It could easily come to nothing as the studios just return to the theaters and crush any outside influence. BUT...it might open the door to "not-PC" and "not-SJW" films getting an audience.
Emphasis on *might*
Quote from: Gagarth;1135971Don't be so fucking stupid.
With that over-sensitive sense of entitlement combined with laziness, you must be American.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1136303Interestingly enough, this has led theater chains to reach out internationally and to low budget producers, aka those production houses who aren't beholden to Woke Bitch Hollyweird.
Now that is very interesting indeed. The $200 million movie is not necessarily 100 times better than the $2 million movie.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1136070Plus, if DTRPG bans you for being "problematic" would any of the other options not from OBS take you in?
Yes, I know, make your own, until they make your bank kick you to the curve, and payment processors cancel your accounts... Then what?
Have everything you do done in the name of a minority friend, ghostwriter style, I've got a lesbian or three who would happily put their names on whatever I asked and let me fill their paypal with sales for a small fee. Now what control freaks?
Quote from: Slipshot762;1136455Have everything you do done in the name of a minority friend, ghostwriter style, I've got a lesbian or three who would happily put their names on whatever I asked and let me fill their paypal with sales for a small fee. Now what control freaks?
It's not really about the "protected minority" my friend, they happily cancel women, lesbians, gays, trans, blacks, Mexicans, etc. the moment they dare step out of the plantation.
If it was really about that I should be safe from the mob, what with me Being a Maya and all.
We need to stop giving ground and fight to get our culture back.
Or else we'll find ourselves hiding to be able to play banned games, read banned books with the constant fear of the thought police knocking on our doors. Living in a hellish landscape mix of Cyberpunk/1984/Fahrenheit 451.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1136403With that over-sensitive sense of entitlement combined with laziness, you must be American.
And you are typical smug leftest Australian twat.
Yeah those well known characteristics of Australians: smugness and leftism.
:confused:
Quote from: Rhiannon;1137754Yeah those well known characteristics of Australians: smugness and leftism.
You ever hear of the youtuber Daisy Cousins? She's from Australia.
Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1137756You ever hear of the youtuber Daisy Cousins? She's from Australia.
Using Youtube as a guide for anything or anywhere would be the height of stupidity. Like treating Twitter as reflective of the real world.
Quote from: Rhiannon;1137754Yeah those well known characteristics of Australians: smugness and leftism.
So you know Australia then.
Quote from: Rhiannon;1137762Using Youtube as a guide for anything or anywhere would be the height of stupidity. Like treating Twitter as reflective of the real world.
That idea might have had merit 10 years ago, but that's long gone. The feedback loop between freaks on social media and the mainstream media is now the de facto source of our shared reality beyond the confines of our own lives.
Most news articles now quote Twitter and feature Tweets as the "fact" part of the story. Twitter is where the MSM goes to get news and to create news. As the majority of people get their information about the world through social media or the MSM, then how people interact in the real world becomes driven by the idiocy on Twitter.
That's why RPGPundit has made such an issue about "D&D Twitter" which seemed like the babbling of idiots nobody should have ever taken seriously, but now THEY determine the course of D&D as "geek media" heralds their causes and WotC embraces them.
This "Code of Conduct" stupidity is just waiting to be laid down by the woke mob. First, they will bray on Twitter enough to become the "trending topic" which gets retweeted by the mob's game designer allies, then the "journalists of geek media" will get involved and ask innocently, "why isn't this already the standard?" And then a few days of handwringing later, the woke and woke wannabe publishers will start jockeying for who can be the first to adopt the mob's Code of Conduct rules.
Social media has fucked the world.
Quote from: Rhiannon;1137754Yeah those well known characteristics of Australians: smugness and leftism.
:confused:
They are characteristics of a certain set of Australians. Were you confused by KA's vastly wider stereotyping?
Quote from: Spinachcat;1137835Most news articles now quote Twitter and feature Tweets as the "fact" part of the story. Twitter is where the MSM goes to get news and to create news.
Even more now so since most of the media are posting from home while guzzling wine.
h/t the Clownfish video in the other thread:
https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/07/03/wizards-of-the-coast-removes-lizbeth-eden-from-magic-creator-program-for-photos-featuring-nudity-and-sexualized-posing/
Quote from: Bounding Into ComicsAs you can see in the photo above, the email begins, "It has come to our attention that you have been distributing Magic content that is against our Code of Conduct, including photos featuring adult nudity and sexualized posting."
It adds, "This is a violation of your participation in the Magic Creator Program and Magic sponsored. As a result you will be removed from the program in accordance with Section 3 of the Wizards Creator Program Terms and Conditions."
They then state the Code of Conduct, Section 2, which reads, "Do not use, post, distribute or link to obscene, pornographic, sexually explicit, graphically or gratuitously violent, derogatory, demeaning, malicious, defamatory, abusive, offensive, hateful or discriminatory language or content. This includes "masking" language by using alternative characters/spelling /spacing to get around profanity filters or claims of profanity filter "testing."
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Receiving no response from Wizards of the Coast after asking for further details regarding the action taken against her, Eden speculated that a fake Magic: The Gathering card featuring a pin-up style photograph of herself was "why I was kicked out of the mtg creator program."
Arbitrary, uneven, unaccountable, and opaque one-sided enforcement of the "rules" because of content that was unrelated to and not produced for the program. WotC will never say, but I'd bet money that the joke about white knighting is the real reason Eden got the CoC banhammer dropped on her. I'm sure that being gorgeous didn't help her case, though.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1137835That idea might have had merit 10 years ago, but that's long gone. The feedback loop between freaks on social media and the mainstream media is now the de facto source of our shared reality beyond the confines of our own lives.
Most news articles now quote Twitter and feature Tweets as the "fact" part of the story. Twitter is where the MSM goes to get news and to create news. As the majority of people get their information about the world through social media or the MSM, then how people interact in the real world becomes driven by the idiocy on Twitter.
That's why RPGPundit has made such an issue about "D&D Twitter" which seemed like the babbling of idiots nobody should have ever taken seriously, but now THEY determine the course of D&D as "geek media" heralds their causes and WotC embraces them.
This "Code of Conduct" stupidity is just waiting to be laid down by the woke mob. First, they will bray on Twitter enough to become the "trending topic" which gets retweeted by the mob's game designer allies, then the "journalists of geek media" will get involved and ask innocently, "why isn't this already the standard?" And then a few days of handwringing later, the woke and woke wannabe publishers will start jockeying for who can be the first to adopt the mob's Code of Conduct rules.
Social media has fucked the world.
Right. I thought this was an rpg forum? What are you lot going on about?
Quote from: Rhiannon;1137909Right. I thought this was an rpg forum? What are you lot going on about?
The post directly references the recently released RPG creators Code of Conduct and Marxist / Entryist posting about DnD on twitter. What the fuck are you going on about.
Right mate, if you think that tenous connection is enough to post a rambling essay on the MSM and whatever other nonsense you're all on about knock yourself out. I assumed from the guidelines when I joined here that tangential political rants were off topic.
I guess this place isn't for me even though my politics lean conservative I come to rpg sites to talk games not engage in QAnon type talk.
Quote from: Rhiannon;1138056Right mate, if you think that tenous connection is enough to post a rambling essay on the MSM and whatever other nonsense you're all on about knock yourself out. I assumed from the guidelines when I joined here that tangential political rants were off topic.
I guess this place isn't for me even though my politics lean conservative I come to rpg sites to talk games not engage in QAnon type talk.
It's not like anyone is forced to read every thread posted here.
Don't like a thread don't post or even look at it. It's as if posters act like their is someone pointing a gun at their head when reading the topics. If they don't read and respond to any and all topics they get shot.
Your not a victim in this scenario either move on and ignore topics and posts you don't like or find another forum.
Imagine the type of person who looks at a gaming hobby and thinks "this needs policies written by a corporate HR dept."
Coexistence with these people has never been an option.
Quote from: Shasarak;1137819So you know Australia then.
I used to watch the Paul Hogan show waaaaaaaay back. Does that count? :cool:
Back on the gaming subject. Tenuous as it is.
It seems a bit ill thought out to put out a code of conduct ruling when gaming conventions are still taking a severe hit from the current plague and other problems. And do they think stuff like this imposed on designers, publishers and players will actually be met with open arms?
Quote from: Rhiannon;1137909Right. I thought this was an rpg forum? What are you lot going on about?
We are going on about the systematic destruction of RPGs by these cultists from within and without. Expect things to get worse as they allready are getting worse if ehat I heard about WOTC planning to put "This is wacist!" warnings on all their drive-thru entries.
Quote from: Omega;1138391We are going on about the systematic destruction of RPGs by these cultists from within and without. Expect things to get worse as they allready are getting worse if ehat I heard about WOTC planning to put "This is wacist!" warnings on all their drive-thru entries.
Warning labels drive sales, as the record industry discovered pre-Napster with the Parental Advisory labels on "offensive" albums.
This one may backfire on the SJWs.
Quote from: RandyB;1138439Warning labels drive sales, as the record industry discovered pre-Napster with the Parental Advisory labels on "offensive" albums.
This one may backfire on the SJWs.
There's been a run on
Oriental Adventures that's pushed it to #4 on the WotC "Hottest Titles" list on DTRPG.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1138442There's been a run on Oriental Adventures that's pushed it to #4 on the WotC "Hottest Titles" list on DTRPG.
And that's hilarious :D
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1138442There's been a run on Oriental Adventures that's pushed it to #4 on the WotC "Hottest Titles" list on DTRPG.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1138446And that's hilarious :D
Yes. Yes it is. The Streisand Effect strikes again.