Quote from: Spinachcat;1135575Now we have an established marketplace for RPGs and its easy to reach your audience...BUT you might be cut off from that marketplace if the freakshow mob decides you have wrongthink and must be canceled.

DTRPG isn't like YouTube or Facebook, which are social media platforms and therefore attract customers through the network effect, and it isn't like iTunes which is an ecosystem that keeps customers because of interoperability with their iPhones and iPads.  It's just a place to buy PDFs.  As a consumer, you buy from them because they have the game you want.  If you wanted a particular game and it happened to be on another platform, that's where you'd buy it from.

Maybe I'm different, but I don't think I've ever bought a game or supplement without first reading third party reviews or getting recommendations (preferably from opinions I trust).  I then google to see the best (ie, cheapest) way to buy it... And as long as the vendor offers paypal, I'll pretty much buy from anyone.  The moment DTRPG stops selling shit I want, is the moment I stop buying from them.

I couldn't care less if a publisher adopts any kind of CoC.  I just care that they create good products... preferably without being dicks along the way.

Quote from: Tyberious Funk;1135594I couldn't care less if a publisher adopts any kind of CoC.  I just care that they create good products... preferably without being dicks along the way.

 And how would you feel if the Code of Conduct was expanded to mandate certain things be included in products and others excluded.  Also how would feel if the product you were waiting failed to materialise because a vague accusation meant that product never got published and the creator was blacked balled from publishers, distributors and  public events?

Gagarth, the world wide web is a place where people can even publish child pornography, and mostly nobody bothers them.

Nobody can stop you publishing rpg material.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133439Just what the tin says.

Anytime a CoC has been demanded and then adopted it has led to turmoil and even bankruptcy (see the Gnome Foundation).

Well, it's the TTRPGs turn now, this will only accelerate the destruction of some publishers.

And you know about the comics industry already.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1135940And you know about the comics industry already.

Yes I know about it very well

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Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1135916Gagarth, the world wide web is a place where people can even publish child pornography, and mostly nobody bothers them.

Nobody can stop you publishing rpg material.

Don't be so fucking stupid.

Quote from: Gagarth;1135785And how would you feel if the Code of Conduct was expanded to mandate certain things be included in products and others excluded.  Also how would feel if the product you were waiting failed to materialise because a vague accusation meant that product never got published and the creator was blacked balled from publishers, distributors and  public events?

It's a bullshit hypothetical.  Because DTRPG, doesn't stop a publisher from producing their content.  If they want to implement a CoC and enforce it on sellers, unhappy sellers can, and will opt out.  People in this thread are getting their knickers in a twist over the possibility that a free enterprise might adopt a CoC.  In fact, it's even more of an overreaction because unless I'm misunderstanding the link in the OP, it's just some RPG blogger that's posted the CoC to DTRPG.  Is there any evidence the DTRPG are considering adopting a CoC?  Or enforcing it on publishers?  I've been out of the hobby for a while, so maybe I missed some big development... is this Alphastream guy some kind of influential player or something? Has he got everyone's balls in a vice?

There are a million things to worry about in the world at the moment... THIS is not one of them.  Seriously.

Quote from: Tyberious Funk;1135976It's a bullshit hypothetical.  Because DTRPG, doesn't stop a publisher from producing their content.  If they want to implement a CoC and enforce it on sellers, unhappy sellers can, and will opt out.  People in this thread are getting their knickers in a twist over the possibility that a free enterprise might adopt a CoC.  In fact, it's even more of an overreaction because unless I'm misunderstanding the link in the OP, it's just some RPG blogger that's posted the CoC to DTRPG.  Is there any evidence the DTRPG are considering adopting a CoC?  Or enforcing it on publishers?  I've been out of the hobby for a while, so maybe I missed some big development... is this Alphastream guy some kind of influential player or something? Has he got everyone's balls in a vice?

There are a million things to worry about in the world at the moment... THIS is not one of them.  Seriously.

Please take a look at the links I posted upthread about CoCs in open source and tech. You're right that this is a small threat in RPGs right now. But it's not bullshit, and open source already is a case study about how it becomes a large and damaging force later on in a similar decentralized nerdy group. CoCs are tools of cancel culture. I've never seen them used to protect anyone, but I have seen them used repeatedly to punish and hurt the outgroup unjustly while hiding behind the shield of "just following the rules".

That and the fact Drive Thru, like BGG, has a near monopoly on a section of the gaming community. Being censored or actually removed from there can be a serious blow.

Quote from: Tyberious Funk;1135976It's a bullshit hypothetical.  Because DTRPG, doesn't stop a publisher from producing their content.  If they want to implement a CoC and enforce it on sellers, unhappy sellers can, and will opt out.

DTRPG has a history of bowing to Leftists with very few exceptions.

CoCs are a growing phenomenon in high tech, book publishing and other industries - and used ax weapons for cancel culture.

CoCs have not yet been adopted by DTRPG, but its not a "bullshit hypothetical" based on their previous behavior

You are right the publisher could still publish their non-CoC product, but not on DTRPG which holds a nigh-monopoly

How many publishers would survive without access to the main marketplace of the entire hobby?

Quote from: Spinachcat;1136058DTRPG has a history of bowing to Leftists with very few exceptions.

CoCs are a growing phenomenon in high tech, book publishing and other industries - and used ax weapons for cancel culture.

CoCs have not yet been adopted by DTRPG, but its not a "bullshit hypothetical" based on their previous behavior

You are right the publisher could still publish their non-CoC product, but not on DTRPG which holds a nigh-monopoly

How many publishers would survive without access to the main marketplace of the entire hobby?

Plus, if DTRPG bans you for being "problematic" would any of the other options not from OBS take you in?

Yes, I know, make your own, until they make your bank kick you to the curve, and payment processors cancel your accounts... Then what?

Quote from: Omega;1136001That and the fact Drive Thru, like BGG, has a near monopoly on a section of the gaming community. Being censored or actually removed from there can be a serious blow.

This--this! Is the issue.  When major channels get mucked up it becomes a problem.  Pathfinder and D&D are already there.  It's getting harder to avoid the leftist political bullshit. When little folks start getting pinched you know there is a problem.

Quote from: Tyberious Funk;1135976It's a bullshit hypothetical.  Because DTRPG, doesn't stop a publisher from producing their content.  If they want to implement a CoC and enforce it on sellers, unhappy sellers can, and will opt out.  People in this thread are getting their knickers in a twist over the possibility that a free enterprise might adopt a CoC.  In fact, it's even more of an overreaction because unless I'm misunderstanding the link in the OP, it's just some RPG blogger that's posted the CoC to DTRPG.  Is there any evidence the DTRPG are considering adopting a CoC?  Or enforcing it on publishers?  I've been out of the hobby for a while, so maybe I missed some big development... is this Alphastream guy some kind of influential player or something? Has he got everyone's balls in a vice?

There are a million things to worry about in the world at the moment... THIS is not one of them.  Seriously.

It is called a discussion Tyberious Fuckwit. Maybe you missed what has been going on in Film and Television and other places.

Quote from: Gagarth;1136189Maybe you missed what has been going on in Film and Television and other places.

Actually...a VERY interesting thing might just happen to the movie industry.

The big studios have profited during CoronaChan via streaming. The media is hyping the death of the movie theater and how scared people will be of ever returning to a movie theater. Studios are talking about how they don't need movie theaters anymore because of streaming services.

Interestingly enough, this has led theater chains to reach out internationally and to low budget producers, aka those production houses who aren't beholden to Woke Bitch Hollyweird. Who knows how this will play out. It could easily come to nothing as the studios just return to the theaters and crush any outside influence. BUT...it might open the door to "not-PC" and "not-SJW" films getting an audience.

Emphasis on *might*

Quote from: Gagarth;1135971Don't be so fucking stupid.

With that over-sensitive sense of entitlement combined with laziness, you must be American.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1136303Interestingly enough, this has led theater chains to reach out internationally and to low budget producers, aka those production houses who aren't beholden to Woke Bitch Hollyweird.

Now that is very interesting indeed. The $200 million movie is not necessarily 100 times better than the $2 million movie.