Just what the tin says.

Anytime a CoC has been demanded and then adopted it has led to turmoil and even bankruptcy (see the Gnome Foundation).

Well, it's the TTRPGs turn now, this will only accelerate the destruction of some publishers.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/315105/Code-of-Conduct-for-RPG-Projects?manufacturers_id=12327

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133439Just what the tin says.

Anytime a CoC has been demanded and then adopted it has led to turmoil and even bankruptcy (see the Gnome Foundation).

Well, it's the TTRPGs turn now, this will only accelerate the destruction of some publishers.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/315105/Code-of-Conduct-for-RPG-Projects?manufacturers_id=12327

  Have you read it?  Though my knee jerk reaction is to agree with you, it does strike me that there are male feminists out there  who may need a guide as to how to act around IRL females.

Quote from: oggsmash;1133446Have you read it?  Though my knee jerk reaction is to agree with you, it does strike me that there are male feminists out there  who may need a guide as to how to act around IRL females.

Yes I have read it, and while I agree about the Male Feminists, this has never ended well. If any employee starts demanding you adopt some CoC it's time to fire them.

Edited to add:

Just for an example:
"Violating Sensitive Topics
o Posting or displaying sexually explicit or violent material.
o Creating project content that is offensive or otherwise violates the Code of Conduct"

The wording is vague enough that it will be used to out competent people for stupid shit. It will also encompass stuff you do on your free time not in the name of the company.

"Offensive content" What exactly is that? Is there an objective way to measure it? Writing about the Aztec culture while not being an Aztec will land you in trouble if someone says it finds it "offensive" because it's "cultural appropriation".

"Sexually Explicit Material" Have you seen what they deem "Sexually Explicit"?

"Violent Material" This could land you in trouble just by sharing a meme of Dragon Ball.

A solution is to preemptively adopt the NCoC

It's such a shame how everyone has to adopt this now. I'm so sorry that you've been forced to adhere to this new Code of Conduct. Here's a virtual hug for your troubles (VIRTUAL HUG).

lib·er·ty - the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.

So, in summary, selling a document about doing something that GeekyBugle doesn't like = oppression. Also, when did you put these people in charge? Don't they have to be an authority to oppress you?

Quote from: trechriron;1133480It's such a shame how everyone has to adopt this now. I'm so sorry that you've been forced to adhere to this new Code of Conduct. Here's a virtual hug for your troubles (VIRTUAL HUG).

lib·er·ty - the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.

So, in summary, selling a document about doing something that GeekyBugle doesn't like = oppression. Also, when did you put these people in charge? Don't they have to be an authority to oppress you?

LOL, very funny, I don't claim to be oppressed by these ass-wipes, but as for them being in charge... It depends where and to what extent.

And I don't need to be oppressed by these ass-wipes to be able to criticize them and to point exactly how they'll oppress others, because I have freedom of speech a functioning brain and have seen them do it before.

Sorry I offended you by criticizing your cult.

I love the cover. They ticked all the boxes. Glad there's no middle aged 'white dudes', phew!

Just use your common sense for FFS.

The best use for this type of stuff is for your recycle bin.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133449Yes I have read it, and while I agree about the Male Feminists, this has never ended well. If any employee starts demanding you adopt some CoC it's time to fire them.

Edited to add:

Just for an example:
"Violating Sensitive Topics
o Posting or displaying sexually explicit or violent material.
o Creating project content that is offensive or otherwise violates the Code of Conduct"

I'm surprised how much we share in common, in spite of our different backgrounds. I'm against censorship of any type, actually, and am ok with having to wade through offensive material or publications from time-to-time in order to find excellent quality roleplaying material and supplements.

How much junk should I have to wade through though, in order to finds the gems. the diamonds in roleplaying design and philosophy? and the games that appeal to, and are good for, gamers?

Quote from: GameDaddy;1133505I'm surprised how much we share in common, in spite of our different backgrounds. I'm against censorship of any type, actually, and am ok with having to wade through offensive material or publications from time-to-time in order to find excellent quality roleplaying material and supplements.

How much junk should I have to wade through though, in order to finds the gems. the diamonds in roleplaying design and philosophy? and the games that appeal to, and are good for, gamers?

As much or as little as you want, as long as you don't try to limit the freedom of others to publish such material that YOU find offensive and thus deprive others from getting it who might enjoy it.

Obvious exceptions to illegal materials are to be made but even there one has to wonder if the government has the right to prohibit them and if it's correct to prohibit everything that has been prohibited.

Quote from: trechriron;1133480It's such a shame how everyone has to adopt this now. I'm so sorry that you've been forced to adhere to this new Code of Conduct. Here's a virtual hug for your troubles (VIRTUAL HUG).

lib·er·ty - the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.

So, in summary, selling a document about doing something that GeekyBugle doesn't like = oppression. Also, when did you put these people in charge? Don't they have to be an authority to oppress you?

Trent, man, come on. Codes of Conduct have been used to asymmetrically punish wrongthink in tech for years now. This stupid shit has ousted creators from their own project and did significant damage to NodeJS (which might've been a blessing in disguise, but then again, I hate JS). At one point the most popular tech CoC, used by major companies, said that there was no such thing as sexism against men, no matter how abusive the content (tested and including against tweets with #KillAllMen).

https://twitter.com/unconed/status/1045325718056554498 (via http://acko.net/blog/falling-into-faith/ )
https://medium.com/@rvagg/the-truth-about-rod-vagg-f063f6a53557
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq7m2oQdJEA
https://www.theregister.com/2018/02/21/freebsd_code_of_conduct_controversy/

Quote from: The Register"We're not banning things, per se," Rice said. "You have to put the onus on people not to offend."

This is a hopeless endeavor of fear and self-censorship. The only winning move is to teach people to self-advocate and to stand up for their needs and their wants, and negotiate with others accordingly. It's making tech miserable to be in, even as a minority; spreading it into RPGs is worth resisting. We can slay dragons together, surely we can talk through how to cooperate.

FML, I was trying to stay out of this thread.

We knew this was coming.

Is it any surprise they have stepped up the threats of censorship after the prior threats of censoring games and designers?

Expect things to get worse. Eventually they will just put to the block any game they or the SJW cult deem "offensive".

If you bring a SJW into your project, you get what you deserve. No CoC can save you from their idiocy.

aww diduum the widdle conservative got butt hurt that his frenzied attacks on females and children aren't accepted anymore

I'm definitely going to pay big bucks out to a sensitivity reader for my next RPG project.

Quote from: Taggie;1133564aww diduum the widdle conservative got butt hurt that his frenzied attacks on females and children aren't accepted anymore

I normally don't feed the trolls, but I have to admit I'd love to see your face when the institutions that administer the COCs determine that showing same-sex relationships could be offensive to the very religious and violate their code of conduct.  Somehow I don't think you'd be such a fan.

For the non-smoothbrained reading this: the purpose of codes like this is to leverage other people's principles against them.  Most people generally believe in rule-following.  So, if you create a rule that is vague enough so you can selectively enforce it, you can defend your attacks against your ideological opponents as "following the rules" and make it harder for your opponents to disagree without seeming to be hypocrites.  The key to every rule is not what it says, but what principle it follows and who gets to interpret it.  And leftists don't have principles; they have tactics.

BTW, has anyone ever noticed that if you try to say "COCs" like it's a word, it perfectly describes the kind of people that support them?