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Cities Without Number

Started by Godsmonkey, February 01, 2023, 10:50:06 AM

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RebelSky

#45
September 03, 2023, 06:27:41 PM
The offset print version of this game is stellar. Get it if you can.

RabidWookie

#46
September 03, 2023, 07:58:09 PM
Quote from: RebelSky on September 03, 2023, 06:27:41 PM
The offset print version of this game is stellar. Get it if you can.

I just received my offset print copy last week and it seems high quality, as did the Stars Without Number offset print. I'm curious why some people think the offset print quality isn't much better than POD.

Theory of Games

#47
September 03, 2023, 08:11:14 PM
The rules for crafting, modifying and maintaining gear really stand out. Chase rules? In there. Vehicle combat? Yup! It's all very well done.
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Opaopajr

#48
September 03, 2023, 08:22:35 PM
Quote from: Theory of Games on September 03, 2023, 08:11:14 PM
The rules for crafting, modifying and maintaining gear really stand out. Chase rules? In there. Vehicle combat? Yup! It's all very well done.

Nice! Love the Chromebooks for CP2020, but a methodology to DIY is fantastic too. That and chase & vehicle combat rules sounds very enticing. He did for OSR aesthetics an Alternity+Traveller mashup we could all get behind in SWN. I'd like to see what he does as a CP2020 OSR mashup.

Worth bumping up the to-buy list.  8)
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Effete

#49
September 04, 2023, 04:31:03 AM
CWN is great! The mechanics are tight, and it has everything you need to "clone" Shadowrun or Cyberpunk 2020/Red. Where CWN really shines, though, is in ability to capture the tone of classic cyberpunk literature, like Neuromancer, Snow Crash, or When Gravity Fails. My only complaint is the same complaint I have with the other Without Number books... Kevin's autism prevents him from getting to the fucking point. Too many tediously-worded paragraphs to say what could be summarized in three or four sentences.

Thor's Nads

#51
September 09, 2023, 08:41:41 PM
Gen-Xtra

GeekyBugle

#52
September 09, 2023, 08:54:34 PM
Quote from: bendis on September 09, 2023, 07:35:10 PM

huh

So, transgenderism is just a market ploy to make money from people like the fashion industry before and the "gender affirming care" of today?

sounds very plausible and cyberpunk.
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Tod13

#53
September 09, 2023, 08:59:52 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 09, 2023, 08:54:34 PM
Quote from: bendis on September 09, 2023, 07:35:10 PM

huh

So, transgenderism is just a market ploy to make money from people like the fashion industry before and the "gender affirming care" of today?

sounds very plausible and cyberpunk.
The Stereotypical Gender Traits table actually looks like a cool NPC personality table. It also looks like they're using the original definition of gender as "social construct", since nothing there mentions biological sex.

PulpHerb

#54
September 10, 2023, 12:13:18 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 09, 2023, 08:54:34 PM
Quote from: bendis on September 09, 2023, 07:35:10 PM

huh

So, transgenderism is just a market ploy to make money from people like the fashion industry before and the "gender affirming care" of today?

sounds very plausible and cyberpunk.

That was an upfront thing the When Gravity Fails along with personality units that allow you have sex like some celeb and offer that.

I remember the main character remarking on hands being the one thing the surgeons still could fix over a decade before "man hands" was a Seinfeld bit.

So, agreed...very cyberpunk.

RebelSky

#55
September 10, 2023, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: RabidWookie on September 03, 2023, 07:58:09 PM
Quote from: RebelSky on September 03, 2023, 06:27:41 PM
The offset print version of this game is stellar. Get it if you can.

I just received my offset print copy last week and it seems high quality, as did the Stars Without Number offset print. I'm curious why some people think the offset print quality isn't much better than POD.

Crawford has done a great job making his offset books much better quality than his PoD books as far as physical quality goes. Going to get the WWN reprint when he does that Kickstarter in October.

RebelSky

#56
September 10, 2023, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: Thor's Nads on September 09, 2023, 08:41:41 PM
Quote from: bendis on September 09, 2023, 07:35:10 PM


Barf.

🤮

The only genres where this really fits is the cyberpunk and other sci-fi genres that has transhumanism as part of it. He does a good job putting it into CWN without making it a centralized focus of the game nor links it with any kind of political ideology.

It's just part of the genre. If characters can remake themselves by replacing body parts with machine parts then it makes sense that people would use other kinds of technology to modify themselves in different ways. Genetic manipulation, biological technology, slicing consciousness from one body to another like in Altered Carbon, etc. All appropriate to the genre. 

PulpHerb

#57
September 10, 2023, 02:39:17 PM
Quote from: RebelSky on September 10, 2023, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: RabidWookie on September 03, 2023, 07:58:09 PM
Quote from: RebelSky on September 03, 2023, 06:27:41 PM
The offset print version of this game is stellar. Get it if you can.

I just received my offset print copy last week and it seems high quality, as did the Stars Without Number offset print. I'm curious why some people think the offset print quality isn't much better than POD.

Crawford has done a great job making his offset books much better quality than his PoD books as far as physical quality goes. Going to get the WWN reprint when he does that Kickstarter in October.

Agreed. Had I not gotten WWN offset print I wouldn't have gotten the SWN offset as I already had two POD (original and revised) and the Mongoose offset. Once I saw the WWN quality the SWN version was an easy sale.

Effete

#58
September 11, 2023, 04:26:25 AM
Quote from: RebelSky on September 10, 2023, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: Thor's Nads on September 09, 2023, 08:41:41 PM
Quote from: bendis on September 09, 2023, 07:35:10 PM


Barf.

🤮

The only genres where this really fits is the cyberpunk and other sci-fi genres that has transhumanism as part of it. He does a good job putting it into CWN without making it a centralized focus of the game nor links it with any kind of political ideology.

It's just part of the genre. If characters can remake themselves by replacing body parts with machine parts then it makes sense that people would use other kinds of technology to modify themselves in different ways. Genetic manipulation, biological technology, slicing consciousness from one body to another like in Altered Carbon, etc. All appropriate to the genre.

Yes. Gender-bending and the like has been part of cyberpunk since it's very inception. Gibson's 1981 short story, Johnny Mnemonic, introduced the Magnetic Dog Sisters.

Also, it's fairly clear this whole section in CWN is written with a cynical view on the topic. Corporate-sponsered genders are considered "real" genders, while DIY mishmash hacks are considered freakish. The part where a gender indentity reverts back to normal after the paid-trial elapses further illustrates that this is really nothing more than predatory marketing aimed at an impressionable (or vulnerable) segment of the populace. It's literally turning gender expression into a costume that a person can wear/change whenever they desire, just like any other "fashion accessory."

There isn't anything here that says whether "affirming" a gender expression is a good thing or not. That is very much left to the GM/players to decide. It is merely saying, "this exists... and it's being exploited."

Ratman_tf

#59
September 11, 2023, 04:39:43 AM Last Edit: September 11, 2023, 04:43:43 AM by Ratman_tf
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 09, 2023, 08:54:34 PM
Quote from: bendis on September 09, 2023, 07:35:10 PM

huh

So, transgenderism is just a market ploy to make money from people like the fashion industry before and the "gender affirming care" of today?

sounds very plausible and cyberpunk.

That's my take. I'm curious what (if any) the reaction from the transgender activist portion of the RPG fanbase will be.

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