Christian Thoughts on Kult Tarot Cards?

David Johansen · July 24, 2022, 08:29:40 PM

I mentioned before that some doors may be best left closed. The problem for many Christians is of course, that they already believe in the supernatural and the door is already half way open. I think the more evangelical Christians generally take a more mystical approach to the world and religion than more mainstream groups and are thus more readily disturbed by occult paraphrenalia and imagery.

Rob Necronomicon · July 24, 2022, 08:46:19 PM

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on July 24, 2022, 08:13:14 PM
It's like drinking; as long as someone only does it with his mates once in a while to make hanging out more fun, it's not likely to be a problem. The problems come when people start using it as a coping tool for things outside having fun, or when it becomes a necessary prerequisite to having fun at all. Most people can spot the difference and stop before things get bad, but that doesn't mean it's not a good idea to at least be aware of the possibility, and keep an eye out for those who can't.

Oh, I agree... But is that not really more to do with psychology as opposed to a tangible spiritual menace. I think the evangelicals are more paranoid than (most) Catholics or Protestants. The English church was always way more laid back than the old generation of Irish Catholics. But the church has undergone a huge change here and have very little power now unlike before the 90s. Most don't take the bible in a literal sense.

Rob Necronomicon · July 24, 2022, 08:49:01 PM

Quote from: David Johansen on July 24, 2022, 08:29:40 PM
I think the more evangelical Christians generally take a more mystical approach to the world and religion than more mainstream groups and are thus more readily disturbed by occult paraphrenalia and imagery.

That sounds about right to me as well from the evangelicals I've met (there are a few in Ireland and mainly American).

They always had bugbear with RPing and the devil's heavy metal music.

Rob Necronomicon · July 24, 2022, 08:55:58 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 24, 2022, 08:23:31 PM
The moral of this story? 'Murican Christians are more gullible than British Christians.

Indeed!

But yeah, there are always exceptions to the rule. I mean we have a few loons here still, but they are generally scoffed at by the majority. The Irish take on it, for the most part, seems to be: 'I believe in god and I'll try to do the right thing but I don't really need to do that at mass with all that droning and singing'.

Also, very few now trust the Irish Catholic church as an institution with all the child abuse that came to light in the 90s. And it's still being revealed today in other countries, etc.

David Johansen · July 24, 2022, 08:56:23 PM

To my mind, a big part of the problem is that translations of the Bible tend to give it a single, authoritative narrative voice that would not have existed in the original documents. The evangelicals stick with the King James version which is fine as it is beautifully written and very readable but you get into the question of what's in and what's out and how do we take this relative to that and so forth. Belief in Biblical infalliability can take you to some strange places. "The Bible in the origininal English" as they say. With no eye to historical context or modern scholarship.

Rob Necronomicon · July 24, 2022, 09:03:51 PM

Quote from: David Johansen on July 24, 2022, 08:56:23 PM
Belief in Biblical infalliability can take you to some strange places. "The Bible in the origininal English" as they say. With no eye to historical context or modern scholarship.

Indeed... That's very true. That infallibility fallacy definitely leads people to some very odd beliefs. It's the same with Islam. So you're telling me that Muhamad rode up on a 'unicorn', split the moon in half, and then bugged off to heaven. Riiiiiiiiiiight....

When I was a believer about 15 years ago. That was one of the things I loved about Jebus. He was humble and told us not to judge others, etc. I'm cherry-picking of course. But I always scratched my head at some of the purported information held in the bible. I thought it was more of a parable than a literal fact.

Llew ap Hywel · July 25, 2022, 04:12:20 AM

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Quote from: Leon_ap_Hywel on July 23, 2022, 06:00:36 PM
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Quote from: Leon_ap_Hywel on July 23, 2022, 07:52:40 AM
Christians have thoughts? Don't they just follow their made up instruction manual? Usually badly.

Considering how much of our modern intellectual world is based on Christianity, and how much of our intellectual world derives from said instruction manual, yes they certainly do have thoughts.

Didn't Christians pretty much lift all those intellectual elements right out of Plato and Aristotle, though? It's not like the philosophical elements of Christianity arouse out of a vacuum of Abrahamic purity. Most of the Western intellectualism people attribute to Christians these days comes from pagan Greeks and enlightenment thinkers who were often critical of church dogma.

Don't you know Christian's invented everything, even their own god! Not at all based on a god from someone else's religion who was probably also ripped off from older religions.

Nope original fairytale all around.

Wow. Your point of view is so incredibly edgy! What method of time travel did you use to get here from 2004?

Nah I'm more an eighties/nineties guy, I've had a Christian education and it doesn't hold up to serious scrutiny. But, to bring back to rpgs you don't see the stupid in a guy playing a made up game letting his made up beliefs be effected by other made up beliefs (half of which he probably thinks are untrue since they're pagan) rather than just having fun with his mates?

Llew ap Hywel · July 25, 2022, 04:13:17 AM

Quote from: Timothe on July 24, 2022, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: Leon_ap_Hywel on July 24, 2022, 11:02:25 AM
They're Christian, they'll forgive me...the instructions manual says so.

Sorry, but there is no rules lawyering here. Manifest impenitence precludes forgiveness. That's called Cheap Grace. It doesn't exist.

I'm not the one that tells them to turn the other cheek.

Llew ap Hywel · July 25, 2022, 04:14:00 AM

Quote from: SHARK on July 24, 2022, 05:10:56 PM
Greetings!

Let the heretics and blasphemers be judged. Break them on the wheel, scourge them in wrath, and cast them into the fires!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

That's the Christian's history knows and loves

Llew ap Hywel · July 25, 2022, 04:16:22 AM

Quote from: David Johansen on July 24, 2022, 08:29:40 PM
I mentioned before that some doors may be best left closed. The problem for many Christians is of course, that they already believe in the supernatural and the door is already half way open. I think the more evangelical Christians generally take a more mystical approach to the world and religion than more mainstream groups and are thus more readily disturbed by occult paraphrenalia and imagery.

I think if you're the kind of person who believes there's an old guy in the sky who watches you while you shower RPGs might not be a healthy outlet for you.

Timothe · July 25, 2022, 05:19:59 AM

Quote from: Leon_ap_Hywel on July 25, 2022, 04:16:22 AM
Quote from: David Johansen on July 24, 2022, 08:29:40 PM
I mentioned before that some doors may be best left closed. The problem for many Christians is of course, that they already believe in the supernatural and the door is already half way open. I think the more evangelical Christians generally take a more mystical approach to the world and religion than more mainstream groups and are thus more readily disturbed by occult paraphrenalia and imagery.

I think if you're the kind of person who believes there's an old guy in the sky who watches you while you shower RPGs might not be a healthy outlet for you.

And another addition to my Ignore list. I'm not going have to spend lot of time checking this forum in the future.

Rob Necronomicon · July 25, 2022, 06:12:18 AM

Quote from: Leon_ap_Hywel on July 25, 2022, 04:16:22 AM
who believes there's an old guy in the sky who watches you while you shower RPGs might not be a healthy outlet for you.

Indeed... I would think God or Satan would have better things to do than watch us play RPGs.

Rob Necronomicon · July 25, 2022, 06:14:18 AM

Quote from: Leon_ap_Hywel on July 25, 2022, 04:14:00 AM
Quote from: SHARK on July 24, 2022, 05:10:56 PM
Greetings!

Let the heretics and blasphemers be judged. Break them on the wheel, scourge them in wrath, and cast them into the fires!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

That's the Christian's history knows and loves

Indeed... Control through fear... Islam loves that one too.

I wonder are you allowed play RPGs under Sharia?

Chris24601 · July 25, 2022, 07:16:09 AM

As off-topic as this is veering might I suggest relocating the discussion to Pundit's own forum (presuming he's even interested)?

Rob Necronomicon · July 25, 2022, 07:20:50 AM

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 25, 2022, 07:16:09 AM
As off-topic as this is veering might I suggest relocating the discussion to Pundit's own forum (presuming he's even interested)?

Well to bring it back on topic.

What's the overall feeling here then. Do most evangelicals believe that using props is a sin, or at least leads you into spiritual peril by contacting unwanted and possibly evil supernatural attention?