I'm also a christian. I've played Kult before and used the Kult Tarot cards in the game. For me, it's all about separating fiction from reality. Kult is just a horror setting for gaming, and the tarot cards are simply a game mechanic, not something I'd use for actual divination. I steer clear of real occult practices, like Ouija boards, but using the Kult Tarot cards adds a cool dimension to the game. I also use coin flip online to make important decisions, but I don't think Christians aren't allowed to do that. Or are they?

Quote from: BertieMoss on July 06, 2023, 12:11:05 PM
I'm also a christian. I've played Kult before and used the Kult Tarot cards in the game. For me, it's all about separating fiction from reality. Kult is just a horror setting for gaming, and the tarot cards are simply a game mechanic, not something I'd use for actual divination. I steer clear of real occult practices, like Ouija boards, but using the Kult Tarot cards adds a cool dimension to the game. I also use coin flip online to make important decisions, but I don't think Christians aren't allowed to do that. Or are they?

Casting (or drawing) lots was done throughout the Bible as a means of determining matters that could go either way (who gets a limited availability boon or who has to do an unpleasant task).

That's not the same thing as divination as you're not trying to determine the future or contact spirits by rolling or drawing... you're using a randomizer to decide between generally equal options (which of six soldiers gets to dig the latrine, which one gets the cloak of the condemned man).

Eastern orthodox here with a past of dabbling with the occult. I personally would not use any kind of Tarot, even for "entertainment" purpose nor would I play Kult due to it´s gnosticism. Funnily enough, I used to own Kult back in the day. I got it second hand. The whole book was scribbled with notes the way you´d see someone do it in movies in some kind of hysterical state or maybe even demonic possession. I ended up getting rid off the books eventually.

I have refrained from posting on this thread because Kult is a game I know very little about, however I do have a good general understanding of theology. FYI: I am reformed Presbyterian.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 27, 2022, 05:21:46 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on July 27, 2022, 04:47:41 PM
Late to the party, but does it help that tarot cards started out as ordinary gaming materials and originally had nothing to do with the occult? It was only during the occult craze centuries later that people started using them for divination.

  The consensus of the Christian community on this thread is that Tarot cards are akin to the meat sacrificed to idols of which Paul speaks in 1 Corinthians 8--they don't have any power of themselves, so they can be used as a game aid without concern so long as you don't lead 'weaker brethren' into believing that they might have some power, or that divination is morally acceptable.

Mostly. That's a pretty good sparknotes of the thread, but the actual criteria is--like food sacrificed to idols--if it causes your brother to sin. Playing a fantasy game with Tarot cards is generally permitted, but there are certain circumstances where it becomes the wrong thing to do because one of the players at the table isn't mature enough to understand the difference between fantasy and real life, or is entangled in real world occultism. People tend to hear the word "proselytize" and assume that it's the Christian going out there with a bullhorn shouting that Jesus is coming and the world is ending, but games like Kult can be used by members of genuine occult sects to proselytize and recruit, and such people are almost always disingenuous about their motivations.

One last thing to note; Kult has strong Gnostic and Luciferian worldbuilding sensibilities, and while Gnosticism is not really a thing anymore, Luciferianism absolutely is (even though it's a pretty rare religion) and the fact that Luciferianism is wildly different from Satanism can and will catch people off guard when they're first exposed to the ideas. Luciferianism is an intellectual philosophy that teaches Lucifer was a Prometheus-figure bringing forbidden knowledge to humanity. Satanism is more a straight inversion of Judeo-Christian worship.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 27, 2022, 05:21:46 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on July 27, 2022, 04:47:41 PM
Late to the party, but does it help that tarot cards started out as ordinary gaming materials and originally had nothing to do with the occult? It was only during the occult craze centuries later that people started using them for divination.

  The consensus of the Christian community on this thread is that Tarot cards are akin to the meat sacrificed to idols of which Paul speaks in 1 Corinthians 8--they don't have any power of themselves, so they can be used as a game aid without concern so long as you don't lead 'weaker brethren' into believing that they might have some power, or that divination is morally acceptable.

Uhh. No.