I'm sure you guys have heard about the restart of Chivalry and Sorcery.   From their official social media, I have seen that Britania Games is aggressively and repetitively preaching and pushing an argument of Portland Starbucks social diversity in the European medieval world.  Though there is nothing wrong with that narrative in itself, it's the aggressiveness and repetitive in your face intolerance with which it is done on their social platform.  It becomes quite old and boring.  Anyone who objects to the incessant repetition or posts any material which is uncomfortable to their narrative is labeled as being against diversity by the moderator.  They have also further stated the "White Supremists" are big fans and admirers of medieval genre.  Anyone who questions anything about this narrative or objects to its spoon feeding on their platform is arbitrarily censored by way of accusations and ejected.

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We had a thread a few months ago about how Chivalry & Sorcery shit upon itself and its fandom. That's fine. It's a dead game that wants to pander to some online freaks. And if they're gonna make their game like Portland Oregon, it better have lots of mentally ill people shitting in the streets so they can achieve that grand goal of authenticity.

Fuck'em.

If anybody wants to play a "Medieval Authentic" RPG, they can buy Lion & Dragon.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1118852We had a thread a few months ago about how Chivalry & Sorcery shit upon itself and its fandom. That's fine. It's a dead game that wants to pander to some online freaks. And if they're gonna make their game like Portland Oregon, it better have lots of mentally ill people shitting in the streets so they can achieve that grand goal of authenticity.

Fuck'em.

If anybody wants to play a "Medieval Authentic" RPG, they can buy Lion & Dragon.

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*Laughing* Yeah, really, Spinachcat! How relevant is an ancient, marginal game like Chivalry & Sorcery? It isn't like they have legions of fans. Even *more so* if they want to get in line to present *yet another* Portland shithole game, how fucking relevant are they?

Fuck 'em is right.

I *might* have been interested in purchasing a book or two from them. I have an old edition of the main book from way back. But guess what? If they want to wallow in fucking Portland they can choke on that liberal shithole. I won't give them a dime, my friend!:D

Lion & Dragon is a much better choice for certain!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

C&S is a game that could have held a decent fan base over time.  There's a lot to like there.  As for Brittania's new edition, well, they're banking on approval and sales from a certain segment of the market and trying to avoid being targeted by the attack dogs over there.  I'm curious how that'll work out for them.  My guess is that a math heavy, simulationist system isn't going to fly with the progressive sorts.

Quote from: David Johansen;1118861C&S is a game that could have held a decent fan base over time.  There's a lot to like there.  As for Brittania's new edition, well, they're banking on approval and sales from a certain segment of the market and trying to avoid being targeted by the attack dogs over there.  I'm curious how that'll work out for them.  My guess is that a math heavy, simulationist system isn't going to fly with the progressive sorts.

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Hey there, David Johansen! I tend to agree. I remember back in the day--I think it was sometime in the 80's, for sure. The book had a green, aqua-like coloured cover, but was all black and white on the interior. Small print-size, lots of obscure-looking, complicated charts and tables. I remember reading through it, and appreciating the detail and passion for medieval stuff, history and realism. However, none of the rest of the group I hung with were remotely interested at the time. That, combined with the book's obscurity and lack of availability, lack of supplements and support, resulted in it being discarded as a system. I still have the book, somewhere here in my library, but it never caught on, and has just been something of an "Indie" curiosity through the years in my neck of the woods. I do recognize that the book and system had some interesting and solid strengths, and could have potentially become considerably more. Kind of sad, really. I love historical and medieval stuff, of course. There seems to be a sort of information and complexity threshold though, in the larger market. A lot of detail and options and history is seen as good, and yet, provide just whatever that "too much" is, and it falls off a cliff.

Whatever new Portland nonsense they are chasing after I don't suspect will bode well for them. Providing a solid product, and a strong system, by itself has many challenges to become viable and prosperous. Add layers of wallowing in the Portland shithole culture just seems to condemn the book to an even faster and crushing doom.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: hedgehobbit;1118851Any direct quotes or links to support this claim?

Hi Hedgehobbit.  I'm not on their forum anymore so I don't have access to them.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1118852We had a thread a few months ago about how Chivalry & Sorcery shit upon itself and its fandom. That's fine. It's a dead game that wants to pander to some online freaks. And if they're gonna make their game like Portland Oregon, it better have lots of mentally ill people shitting in the streets so they can achieve that grand goal of authenticity.

Fuck'em.

If anybody wants to play a "Medieval Authentic" RPG, they can buy Lion & Dragon.

It has shit upon its fandom.  It has implied that fans of the medieval period are mostly white supremists.

Quote from: Iron Cross;1118879Hi Hedgehobbit.  I'm not on their forum anymore so I don't have access to them.

I can't even find their forums. The only page I've found for Britannia Games hasn't been updated since 2003.

Their game is weak to begin with and always only appealed to a niche market.  Now they're shitting on that market.  One of their authors has even stated that he doesn't care if he annoys members of the fan base.

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Quote from: David Johansen;1118861I'm curious how that'll work out for them.

It looks to me like the tide has turned and rejecting this SJW outrage is actually better for you in the long run. Look at Escape from Tarkov, an obscure mil-sim shooter made by a tiny company. Yet one offhand comment about never having playable female character leads to the predictable outrage which causes game to shoot to the top of the most played charts. Even passing Fortnight at one point.

Quote from: Iron Cross;1118884Their game is weak to begin with and always only appealed to a niche market.  Now they're shitting on that market.  One of their authors has even stated that he doesn't care if he annoys members of the fan base.

If you have a "fanbase" of about 3 guys, and there are, say, double digits of SJWs who will be totally impressed by your brave defiance of your fanbase, maybe enough to buy your book... then I guess this is a smart marketing move.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up - I was vaguely thinking about taking a look at this but I'll pass.

C&S had a very active and loyal fan base.  The third edition green book from the nineties was pretty divisive as it moved to an integrated skill system from a variety of notes on specific advantages of specific classes scattered through the book.  I'm not sure about second, it was a boxed set and supposedly better organized. I owed first but never played it, played third a fair bit when it came out but when it changed hands and was dead for a while before fourth edition I moved on to Rolemaster Standard System.  I didn't buy into fourth edition because I already had third, wasn't playing it, and liked RMSS better.  More Middle Earth, less medival I guess, but also a better structure game wise.

The thing is that third edition really caught the early web-hate of fans who didn't like the changes.  At the time Ed Simbalist and Wilf Bakhaus were still involved so it wasn't just a bunch of new guys sticking the name on their homebrew.

Quote from: hedgehobbit;1118883I can't even find their forums. The only page I've found for Britannia Games hasn't been updated since 2003.

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