Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser;1119797Is that the one linked in your sig?

Yup, I've got a decent bit of a campaign guide written and have plans to simplify the professions to 3 in blocks and categories.  It wouldn't make high level characters quite as balanced as currently you can just multiply the allocations by the level and there's stuff that's just geting one point per level.  But from the perspective of building first level characters it makes more sense.

Quote from: Brad;1119773If anyone is interested, I can post an actual review.

Only if you promise Epic LOLZ.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1119784Orcs are gingers.

You are a terrible, terrible person.

Quote from: David JohansenSo a bit more than Palladium's disclaimers about magic not being real? Is it persistant or sporadic? And again, what are the mechanics like?

At any rate it's nice to see some actual content to discuss.

Quote from: Brad;1119773Persistent...it's 600+ pages, and it crops up constantly. The mechanics are Skillskape, essentially, with Rebirth sensibilities. Again, I am not a fan, but there COULD be a decent game in here. Honestly, though, if you're going to play C&S, go full 1st/2nd, or just play something like Lion & Dragon. Trying to modernize this game is futile because you're gonna lose all the flavor.

If anyone is interested, I can post an actual review.

I doubt I'd be interested in C&S 5th personally, but I am curious. I have the old FGU 2nd edition, and I do feel that it's excellently flavorful, but I also felt the mechanics were a complete mess - varying from cumbersome to just unworkable. So streamlining the mechanics seems like a positive to me. When I last ran an authentic-ish medieval campaign (over a decade ago), I ended up using RuneQuest / BRP, and just coming up with house rules for the magic.

Quote from: Gagarth;1119546[ATTACH=CONFIG]4084[/ATTACH]

Is the fellow on the right doing the black version of the circle game?  ;-P

Quote from: lordmalachdrim;1119670Ok so far digging through the facebook page I've only found two articles from Mr. Staple's Blog that seem lean in iron cross' view. I just don't care enough to do his job for him to really dig any further.

http://www.penultimateharn.com/blog/?p=249
http://www.penultimateharn.com/blog/?p=256

Thank you for this. No, it was never your job to do the digging. If the outrage brigade had beef with the game it was their job to show why. They refused to do so, you didnt. So again thank you. At least we now have something to work with.

I've looked through the first link you gave, and at first blush, the takeaways seem to be that in the Middle Ages, black people existed, and that women, albeit very rarely, could fight. I wouldn't care to challenge either of those concepts.

I do see a very defensive tone here, like the writer expects blowback, and/ or has a further agenda, and I can understand if that's what puts people's backs up.   So far the alleged "if you disagree with me you are a white supremacist" line seems to be lacking, but that said, there is a tone there I find rather disagreable.

Anyway, let's see what shows up in the next link. That one looks to be to be about "genderqueer" in the Middle Ages. Maybe juicier.

Maybe they'll be inclusive about the rampant bestiality that church confession records supposedly show.

Quote from: David Johansen;1119925Maybe they'll be inclusive about the rampant bestiality that church confession records supposedly show.

That the one involving the giant sword wielding snail? :eek:

Quote from: Zirunel;1119882If the outrage brigade had beef with the game it was their job to show why. They refused to do so, you didnt. So again thank you. At least we now have something to work with.

I literally posted two quotes from the book itself; wtf else do you want?

With SJW cultists it is never enough.

Quote from: Omega;1119967With SJW cultists it is never enough.

Step one: Make european character who is woke and religiously devoted to diversity.
Step two: Have character lead colonization efforts in africa to combat black supremacy there and increase diversity.
Step three: Import black slaves to europe to increase european diversity.
Step four: Begin planning a similar enlightenment campaign into china to combat asian supremacy there just before blue haired GM's head explodes.
Step five: Feign shock after evil black klansmen lynch your character for diluting their blood and soil.
Step six: Post-humonously proffit from woke martyr status with next character by selling che type tabards featuring your characters face to woke monks cloistered in privileged european systems of oppression.

Thats only till they declare you were 'appropriating' someones culture and/or 'selling out to the MAN' because you are of that culture.

Failing that you are damed for being a man.
Damned for being a trans-sexual man. (Thats allready happening)
Damned for being a woman because obviously you arent a lesbian.
Damned for being a lesbian woman because you are pretending to be a man and only real lesbians can pretend to be a man and you arent one of the elite and JESUS CHRIST these people are abjectly insane!

No... really. You cant win. Ever.

Back on topic. Such as it was.

What was the point of this new edition? Why not just reprint the original?

The current company/team as far as I can tell did not get involved until 4th ed and probably don't have permission from the original authors to just reprint the old books. 4th ed seems to have been a beta run to get the game back into existence and this as to be the "full" version and available in print at retailers.

Beyond that who knows.

Quote from: lordmalachdrim;1119983The current company/team as far as I can tell did not get involved until 4th ed and probably don't have permission from the original authors to just reprint the old books. 4th ed seems to have been a beta run to get the game back into existence and this as to be the "full" version and available in print at retailers.

Beyond that who knows.

Ah, that makes sense then. Pretty common really when a publisher somehow gets ahold of a game IP. But for whatever reason, not the game itself.

Britannia started out with Dragon Reaches of Marakush a third party setting for C&C 3e.  Right around then 3e had gotten out the core 3 books and then stalled hard.  I've heard there was a falling out between the creators over stuff.  Not sure which stuff but Britannia wound up buying the property and put out fourth to deal with the complaints fans had about third.  They got out a handful of supplements and a box of miniatures or two and then died out.  I'm guessing the market just wouldn't support it by then.

Anyhow, 3e introduced a unified percentile dice mechanic where you got a stat bonus and a level bonus and different classes got a discount on the cost of the skills.  It's actually fairly nice and the extra effect d10 rule is pretty functional.  The action point system was a bit too convoluted and the magic system was flavorful but the spell list wasn't.  So, it wasn't exactly C&S but it was a good evolution.  The only problem was that a decent munchkin could build very powerful characters, even at first level.  It's mitigated by the non-heroic stat setting but the heroic setting makes really broken characters quite possible.

Oh well, please tell my Britannia ditched the heroic character build option.  Really, I love the grounded and detailed approach, the integrated campaign and wargame mechanics.  Third never got quite that far, I don't think fourth did either.  It's the wargame end they missed.