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Cheetoism and Gamescience

Started by Dirk Remmecke, December 19, 2010, 07:12:02 PM

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Kyle Aaron

Upon reflection, I must admit that Cheetoism (ie, me) is divided on this issue. In the spirit of "shut the fuck up and roll the dice" or "the game must go on," I say, use whatever damned dice you want, who cares really.

But then I think of my friend who paid $70 for a set of copper dice. Seventy bucks for a bunch of dice is just so stupidly geeky and pointless we have to praise it.

However he made no claims as to their randomness. So perhaps it's not so divided after all - geeking out in a silly way remains the key tenet of Cheetoism.
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cyclopeatron

I apologize for my snarky response to "Captain Rufus". I don't browse forums often and I'm not used to the flamebaiting. I should have just ignored him.:(

I think the point of my last blog post has been misinterpreted a bit. I was mostly musing on the symbolic meanings dice have for players beyond functioning solely as randomizers. I was also musing, with sincere affection, on why roleplayers have a higher tolerance for inaccurate randomization as compared to card players or boardgamers.

As far as I'm concerned players should use whatever dice make them most happy, whether it's for nostalgic, aesthetic, superstitious, or economic reasons. As a DM and player it makes me happy to use GameScience dice for the reasons I describe. I think the pumpkin opaques look really cool too!

Cheers!

IceBlinkLuck

We used to game at Zocchi's old store and it was really funny when he would talk about how 'razor sharp' the dice were. It gave birth to lots of jokes about deadly ninja throwing dice. In one game of modern day CoC that a friend was running we wound up scattering a bunch of d4s in the path of the cultists to slow them down.
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crkrueger

I stepped on a Gamescience D4 before they chopped the tips off.  I think I would have rather stepped on a caltrop.  Having a triangle shaped hole punched in the bottom of my foot wasn't fun.  It made everyone at the table laugh though, except the guy whose rug I bled on. :D
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Benoist

GS Dice rock. Mine:





Got some glow-in-the-dark too. They're awesome.
I don't have a picture of them here, though. Not yet, anyway.

Tetsubo

I have never, ever encountered this problem. When I have encountered cheating it has never been as subtle as 'non-random' dice. It as always out and out lying. I don't imagine that I will ever comment to anyone about what type of dice they use.

Drohem

Quote from: Tetsubo;427709I have never, ever encountered this problem. When I have encountered cheating it has never been as subtle as 'non-random' dice. It as always out and out lying. I don't imagine that I will ever comment to anyone about what type of dice they use.

Yeah, any cheating that I've encountered hasn't been through loaded or faulty dice.

boulet

Quote from: Drohem;427716Yeah, any cheating that I've encountered hasn't been through loaded or faulty dice.

See how good they were at cheating? You didn't even notice ;)

TAFMSV

Re Settlers of Catan or casino craps, it's the norm to share the equipment. You pass the dice, and if there's something wrong with them, everybody's suffering the same inaccuracy.

Rpgs have developed a very different tradition where having your own set of dice is like a rite of confirmation. Sharing and borrowing of dice isn't necessarily taboo, but it's preferable that you can roll 3d8 all from your own pile. Eventually, the stereotypical player will have a medicine bag of fetish dice, each with their individual histories. It's a peculiarity of rpgs, which are generally not competitive and don't involve wagering.

If somebody wants to roll damage with the d12 from their original Gamma World set, who really cares? If somebody insists on using their pair of iron d6 in a Catan game, while everybody else is using the wooden dice from the box, it's gonna look dodgy. If you decide to use your own dice in a crap game, your ass is going to the emergency room, or to jail.


Re Chessex vs. Gamescience,  Chessex makes and sells "cheater's dice" with no 1, and two 20s.  Gamescience doesn't.

cyclopeatron

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;427606Upon reflection, I must admit that Cheetoism (ie, me) is divided on this issue. In the spirit of "shut the fuck up and roll the dice" or "the game must go on," I say, use whatever damned dice you want, who cares really.

But then I think of my friend who paid $70 for a set of copper dice. Seventy bucks for a bunch of dice is just so stupidly geeky and pointless we have to praise it.

However he made no claims as to their randomness. So perhaps it's not so divided after all - geeking out in a silly way remains the key tenet of Cheetoism.

Sir, I would respectfully submit that the sentiment of "I say, use whatever damned dice you want, who cares really." is the least compelling thus far presented.

I believe it's much more fun and geeky for people to love and care about their colorful little number randomizers; whether it's for nostalgia, aesthetics, accuracy, or superstition. Being too cool to care about your dice is not geeky. It's fun to see people posting pictures of their favorite dice, whether they be GameScience or dirty old Dragon Dice from the 80s. The length of this thread clearly shows that people care about their dice, which is wonderful!

Being new here I'm not sure what the Cheeto scale is, exactly, but I would demand a place for polyhedrals! They are the one of the funnest and geekiest material manifestations of our wayward hobby.

PaladinCA

Dice are just a fun and necessary evil for most games. I don't think they deserve a special place on the Cheetoist scale. Mine certainly don't. :D

Insufficient Metal

Quote from: Benoist;427654

Okay, those are some pretty-looking dice.

Benoist

I was tired of always having white, black, grey, red dice. I wanted something more ... colorful. More cheerful. And after my experiment with the translucent dice (the first picture in my post), I knew I wanted solid dice I could use in most settings. That's how I decided to go for these colors. :)

Dirk Remmecke

Quote from: cyclopeatron;427734Being new here

Welcome to this internet hive of scum and villainy...

QuoteI'm not sure what the Cheeto scale is, exactly, but I would demand a place for polyhedrals!

I believe they have their place:

QuoteThe Cheetoist Philosophy   We game for the snacks. And also the dice. But mostly, just to hang out with friends and tell tall stories.
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Insufficient Metal

Quote from: Benoist;427751I was tired of always having white, black, grey, red dice. I wanted something more ... colorful. More cheerful. And after my experiment with the translucent dice (the first picture in my post), I knew I wanted solid dice I could use in most settings. That's how I decided to go for these colors. :)

Where did you get 'em? Because now I want some.