Off Topic used to be the I Hate RPGnet forum. I guess our Tangency is spilling over into our Tabletop Open.

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaNot at all.  I think the record of my posts on the topic since February 2007 speak quite clearly to the matter.  However, my opinion on D&D has little or no bearing on this discussion.  You and Settembrini trying to back me into a corner over things I haven't stated is pathetic and makes me even less inclined to respond with a straight answer to an off-topic derail.  Your starting a drama thread about an imaginary war is even more pathetic.  Really -- praising ignorance as a virtue.  Aren't you embarrassed?

!i!

Wow, that's hilarious. You really can't just say "yes" (or "no").  I mean really, what are you scared of?

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPunditAnd as for Exalted, I not only do not know ANYONE who has actually played Exalted in the real world, I don't even know anyone who knows anyone in the real world who has played Exalted.

Seriously?  Maybe it's not that big in your area, I guess, but I know a bunch of people who've played it (such as myself), and it sells well in the game stores around here.  It's still miniscule compared to D&D/D20, but it's definitely played.

I'm guessing White Wolf doesn't have a large South American branch. Unlike, say, Hasbro they don't have the funding or personnel to do much multinationally. It doesn't surprise me in the least that it would be hard to find anyone playing any WW game in Uruguay.

Pundy can't deal with the fact that Exalted is bigger than all Forge games combined and then some. He wants White Wolf games to be part of the looney fringe, and the mainstream to be d20 only.

Quote from: SettembriniThe whole Forger/Swine movement depends on the notion, that adventure gamers are basically not having fun.

If they had fun, there´d be no need to investigate other possibilities.

In reality, basically nobody investigates these "other possibilities".

Because they are having fun already.

Or alternately, if they try D&D and don't enjoy it, they don't investigate other possibilities because they conflate D&D with the entirety of the hobby.  Crazy person that I am, I'm inclined to wish that more dissatisfied gamers would try other games than just give up tabletop RPGs entirely and switch to MMORPGs or the like.

KoOS

Quote from: King of Old SchoolOr alternately, if they try D&D and don't enjoy it, they don't investigate other possibilities because they conflate D&D with the entirety of the hobby.  Crazy person that I am, I'm inclined to wish that more dissatisfied gamers would try other games than just give up tabletop RPGs entirely and switch to MMORPGs or the like.

KoOS

Ahh, but you see, not liking D&D = badwrongfun, therefore in their warped view, such people shouldn't be allowed to play RPGs.  

Really, all "Swine" means is "Guy who doesn't play MY WAY".

Which is kinda funny, since if you ask the folks using it, they'll tell you it means "guy who looks down on me because I don't play the way he does."

Quote from: James McMurrayWhich is kinda funny, since if you ask the folks using it, they'll tell you it means "guy who looks down on me because I don't play the way he does."

Hence the inherent hypocrisy of their whole philosophy.

Quote from: James McMurrayI'm guessing White Wolf doesn't have a large South American branch. Unlike, say, Hasbro they don't have the funding or personnel to do much multinationally. It doesn't surprise me in the least that it would be hard to find anyone playing any WW game in Uruguay.

That's what I figured, and it goes to show what Pundit said didn't make much sense.  It would be like me saying I don't know anyone who plays or has played Die* Schwarze Auge.

* it is Die, right?  Stupid genders for nouns.

Now I'm sorry I posted to this thread and have to get notifications of replies. You're all swine

D&D and White Wolf = mainstream
Green Ronin, Mongoose, et. = border between sub-culture and mainstream by way of D&D
Eden  = border between sub-culture and mainstream by way of properties like Buffy.
Palladium = alternate universe
Forge games = sub-culture

Quote from: RPGPunditYou really can't just say "yes" (or "no").  I mean really, what are you scared of?

I don't need to. And your calling me chicken is a pathetic attempt at bullying.  You're really in poor form today.

Now, shall we explore what you're afraid of, what with your imaginary war and all?

!i!

Quote from: RPGPunditWow, that's hilarious. You really can't just say "yes" (or "no").  I mean really, what are you scared of?

RPGPundit

Are you now, or have you ever been, a communist?

I liken this entire thing to an alternate universe where people discuss model trains.


Okay, so most of the people are working on their train sets.

Some of the model trains fans (let's say.. less than a tenth) prefer to work on model tractors. In fact, many of the tractor guys (not all, but a good percentage) have TOTALLY REJECTED model trains. In favor of tractors. Which, as everyone knows, are far more mature and less geeky than trains. Sure, trains are more popular. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE ANY GOOD. Everyone knows that.

Then there's a couple of guys (and really this is just a few- tiny numbers here) who also like to act out interpretive dances that sometimes deal with trains, and sometimes with tractors. And sometimes just general flapping their arms and legs around, nonsensically. They actually haven't touched a model in years. Once a year they hold a convention in which they showcase various new dances that sometimes involve a loose interpretation of trains and tractors.

Someone starts an internet site dedicated to the "modeling" hobby.

Most of the train guys are actually too busy with trains to bother taking part.

The tractor guys want to show everyone how relevant they are. They REALLY REALLY want you to know how important tractors are. In fact, they even have a tractor shaped like a train. AND ITS TOTALLY NOT A TRAIN.

Then the interpretive dancers keep showing up and demand that everyone try out their new tractor-train dances, most of which involve flapping around in a weird way. Every once in a while they convince a tractor modeler to try out a dance. Most of the times this works like one time. But every once in a while they find that special someone who is actually tired of both tractors, trains and making models.. and just kinda wants to flap around. Luckily the dancers only actually get together once a year, and they all keep in touch on the internet talking about various flapping techniques.

Where's PIGames fit in all that?