QuoteOr to use a less extreme example, I know for a fact that I do not like even the mildest of jalapenos. My little girly tongue just can't stand the fire, no matter how low key.

And yet, habaneros have one of the most complex flavors of any food I have ever eaten, and if used properly in a dish, can lend no more spice than the black pepper you have on your table.

For a gaming example of the same kind of phenomenon, I loathed AD&D.  I hated the abritrary limitations on characters, I hated the inintuitiveness of a lot of the mechanics, and I hated the lack of unification in those mechanics.

And yet I gave D&D 3rd not one, not two, but three tries, before it finally clicked and I fell madly in love with the game, and now I place it among my absolute favorite games.

Quote from: J ArcaneA lot of people in America are convinced they don't like seafood.  But the vast, vast majority of those people don't like seafood because they've never actually had any good seafood.

That old chestnut. Just how many qualifiers are you going to throw on people's experiences before you'll allow them to "legitimately" disagree with you?

Seanchai

Quote from: J ArcaneAnd yet, habaneros have one of the most complex flavors of any food I have ever eaten, and if used properly in a dish, can lend no more spice than the black pepper you have on your table.

Can't stand black pepper either. Did I meantion I've got the oral pain threshold of a little girl?

QuoteAnd yet I gave D&D 3rd not one, not two, but three tries, before it finally clicked and I fell madly in love with the game, and now I place it among my absolute favorite games.

That's a case of your idea of similar being wrong.

And you never answered the pedophelia question. Do you have an experienced opinion, or is it possible to form an opinion on some things without trying them?

Quote from: SeanchaiThat old chestnut. Just how many qualifiers are you going to throw on people's experiences before you'll allow them to "legitimately" disagree with you?

Seanchai

So you're saying there's no such thing as a misconception?

[size=0]see, I can ask silly questions too![/size]

The difference between your question and Sett's, Ian, is that Sett's is directly relevant to the thread at hand.

That said: I'm not homosexual.

Your turn, motherfucker.

RPGPundit

Quote from: J ArcaneSo you're saying there's no such thing as a misconception?

No, but you're presuming that's the case all the time. Yes, people might try something and make a value judgement based on misinformation. That doesn't mean all value judgements should be called into question - people can try something and make a judgement based on good information as well.

But, really, all you're doing is setting yourself up so that you can negate an opinion without having to work at it.

"I watched some sci fi movies and didn't like them."
"That's because you didn't watch any good sci fi movies."

"I've tried meat, didn't like it, and don't want a bite of your steak."
"You're only saying that because you haven't had any good steak before."

"I listened to some Pearl Jam and didn't like them."
"That's only because you didn't listen to their good song."

Seanchai

Quote from: TonyLBCheck, please! :eek:

EDIT:  To be absolutely clear ... that's the sound of a person in a restaurant trying to get out before the conversation at the next table comes to blows.  Not ... uh ... anything else.

Given that he's apparently determined to continue that line of rhetoric, and that the alternative viewpoint apparently hinges on psychic powers, I think I'll join you.

Quote from: SeanchaiAnd in a few weeks, D&D will be back on top. Because it has staying power - Spanish Fly and all that.

Well, as said, D&D does dominate the statistics. The current list of the 15 most popular RPG products from the last 30 days, from the Fantasiapelit site:

1. D&D Complete Champion (HC)
2. D&D Drow of the Underdark (HC)
3. Night's Dark Masters
4. D&D Spell Compendium (HC)
5. Dragon 355
6. Secrets of Kenya
7. Dungeon 146
8. WOD: Urban Legends
9. D&D Magic Item Compendium (HC)
10. World of Darkness Rulebook (HC)
11. Scion: Hero (HC)
12. WHFRP Game Master's Toolkit
13. Roolipelaaja 08
14. D&D Expedition to The Demonweb Pits (HC)
15. D&D Complete Scoundrel (HC)

Quote from: obrynWow, folks here sure get riled up about the best way to sit in a dining room and pretend to be a gay-ass elf.

-O

My way is the best. Your gay-ass elf is only a mockery of real roleplaying, and you're probably retarded, to boot.

Hm. EDIT: to cover every base.

D&D is not crap and commercial.
Pundit, you've got this crazy hang-up with Exalted. You say pretty much the same thing every time, but you seem way off base, dude. Why you gotta hate on my Exalted playing chums and I?

EDIT again:
What is up with you dudes and sea-food? And sticking your dick in things? It is besides the point, anyhow. Wtf were we talking about again?

Quote from: Thanatos02What is up with you dudes and sea-food? And sticking your dick in things? It is besides the point, anyhow. Wtf were we talking about again?

Well, if I knew it was gonna be THAT kind of party, I would of stuck my dick in the mashed potatoes!

Quote from: J ArcaneGiven that he's apparently determined to continue that line of rhetoric, and that the alternative viewpoint apparently hinges on psychic powers, I think I'll join you.

So what you're apparently saying is that you can make decisions about things without trying them, just not food, rpgs, music, and whatever other items you have on your list?

What is it about some things that lets you know in advance? Why is it impossible for a game to fall into that category?

Can I get a quick show of hands? Are there people here who think that playing a more obscure game is bad because it's more obscure?

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaGuilty as charged.Fine.  I'll strike a deal here.  If Pundit and Settembrini will state whether or not they're homosexuals, I'll state whether or not I think D&D is commercial shit.  None of our answers will have a bearing on anything, and none of them are anyone else's business, but this seems to have become the raison d'être for this thread.

!i!

First of all: commercial AND shit.

The thing is, you didn't even have to answer yes or no. As an open question, you could have written all the context you wanted. You totally controlled the context at that point. And you didn't even have to come down one way or another on either side.

Quote from: Thanatos02My way is the best. Your gay-ass elf is only a mockery of real roleplaying, and you're probably retarded, to boot.

ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION!  WHAT IS YOUR WAY OF PLAYING A GAY-ASS ELF?  AND ARE YOU YOURSELF GAY-ASS?  OR A COMMUNIST?

-O

Quote from: RPGPunditThe difference between your question and Sett's, Ian, is that Sett's is directly relevant to the thread at hand.

Horse shit. From the start, it was an attempt to read something more into what I had written. So was your disingenuous badgering.

QuoteThat said: I'm not homosexual.

Liar.

QuoteYour turn, motherfucker.

I think D&D is commercial (d'uh!), but not shit as a whole.

Disappointed?  You shouldn't be.  I know you've personally participated in threads where I've stated as much previously.

!i!