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[Star Wars again] Kinda Ironic

Started by grubman, May 01, 2007, 08:21:13 PM

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ElectroKitty

#15
May 02, 2007, 08:56:31 AM
Quote from: J ArcaneThe only person who doesn't agree on that is Lucas.  And he's an idiot.
Lucas is inconsistent as an idiot. Sure, he gave us Jar Jar, Ewoks and Megachlorines, but he also gave us Han Solo (shooting first and all), Lightsabers and Boba Fet.
 

Spike

#16
May 02, 2007, 07:10:07 PM
Electro: I think the difference between 'idiot lucas' and 'non idiot lucas' is how much he had to listen to collaborators and other people in the creative process.

Early Star Wars with not much money or directorial power to back his plays? Lots of collaborations and lots of neat stuff (han solo shooting first, light sabers, Boba Fett)

later Star wars with oodles of money and power so no collaborators? Jar Jar, Han shoots last, Midichloreans...


Think about it.  The longer Star Wars made money, the Stupider Lucas got.
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Skywalker

#17
May 02, 2007, 07:16:54 PM
Quote from: SpikeThink about it.  The longer Star Wars made money, the Stupider Lucas got.

I actually think it has more to do with age. A young Lucas didn't care about Han shooting first because its cool. An older Lucas is responsible for:

1. Greedo shooting first, to protect his kids from a hero shooting first.
2. Young Anaki and Jar Jar Biggs, only a father could imagine that those two things would appeal to a young audience.
3. The move away from pulp to a more serious semi-historical tone. Pulp for adults is hard to maintain and Lucas' aged years looked for more complexity where it wasn't needed.

Sosthenes

#18
May 02, 2007, 07:23:48 PM
Lucas never was much for a serious tone. I'd say that lots of the good things in ANH probably were sheer coincidence, or mostly lots of brilliant minds working on the same movie. Although you really have to give Lucas credit for the editing...

He never was satisfied with the mood of TESB. And accordingly, it's one of the best movies (I generally prefer the sheer imagination of the first movie, though). He once again got his will with ROTJ. Yup-yup-yup. A vision of things to come...

But at least he still got the most amazing creative department.
 

ElectroKitty

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May 02, 2007, 09:32:50 PM
Quote from: SkywalkerI actually think it has more to do with age. A young Lucas didn't care about Han shooting first because its cool. An older Lucas is responsible for:

1. Greedo shooting first, to protect his kids from a hero shooting first.
2. Young Anaki and Jar Jar Biggs, only a father could imagine that those two things would appeal to a young audience.
3. The move away from pulp to a more serious semi-historical tone. Pulp for adults is hard to maintain and Lucas' aged years looked for more complexity where it wasn't needed.
That was more what I was thinking too.

Still, even with age, he can come up with some decent stuff -- dispite the flaws, Eps 1-3 had some gems.
 

Skywalker

#20
May 02, 2007, 10:24:27 PM
Quote from: ElectroKittyStill, even with age, he can come up with some decent stuff -- dispite the flaws, Eps 1-3 had some gems.

True, I am a fan of the first trilogy despite its flaws.
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