Quote from: Rincewind1;686222At the same time, they got the licence...what else did they want from the author? A kiss on the cheek?

Timely!

Quote from: Akrasia;685906What kind of magic system did ElfQuest use?  Something like the RQ system, or the one from Stormbringer (unlikely, I assume), or the one from Magic World?  Or was it its own thing?

Well, each magic ability was it's own skill, and you had to both roll under your skill and then spend magic points to do something.  The magic is pretty weak compared to what you see in the original comic - for instance, to start a fire costs one magic point per 10% of chance of starting a fire... so if you really need a fire, that's 10 magic points.

Quote from: jdurall;686077The magic system was essentially psychic powers, which (if I recall correctly) were rated on a percentile basis. They were closest in spirit to those from Magic World.

I raided them for the psychic power section in the big gold BRP book.

Quote from: jcfiala;686265Well, each magic ability was it's own skill, and you had to both roll under your skill and then spend magic points to do something.  The magic is pretty weak compared to what you see in the original comic - for instance, to start a fire costs one magic point per 10% of chance of starting a fire... so if you really need a fire, that's 10 magic points.

Thanks for the replies, Gents.

Since I have (a few) copies of the BGBRP, it looks like there is nothing to be gained from EQ, at least system-wise.

Quote from: Akrasia;686318Thanks for the replies, Gents.

Since I have (a few) copies of the BGBRP, it looks like there is nothing to be gained from EQ, at least system-wise.

My faint recollection of the game (back when I was...psh...14?) is that there's not much setting wise either.  I know how crazy that sounds given the game's thrust but it really was just sort of...there.

I'll always remember Wendy Pini as the Red Sonja model that accompanied Frank Thorne to comic cons for years.

Quote from: jcfiala;686188Well, this was 30 years ago.  Rumor has it that J. K. Rowling reacted in a similar way to suggestions for a Harry Potter RPG.

(This reminds me.  The Pinis showed up as judges on a recent episode of 'Heroes of Cosplay'.)

Yeah, heard the same thing about JK Rowling. She seemed to think RPGs were a method of endorsing fan fiction.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;686338My faint recollection of the game (back when I was...psh...14?) is that there's not much setting wise either.  I know how crazy that sounds given the game's thrust but it really was just sort of...there.

I think that's just a problem from the state of the comic at that time.  IIRC, all that had bee known was the original Holt (burned down), the troll kingdom (abandoned), the Sun Folk, the Go-Backs, the High Elves... they hadn't really explored much of the world at all, and apparently revealing more than that wasn't something the Pinis either wanted or were able to do.  In fact, it's my recollection that the Sea Elves expansion built off of that by just picking an area of the world that was far away from the main story and making stuff up, which perhaps should have been done in the original game.

IIRC ElfQuest predated RQ3. Anyways, I couldn't afford RQ3 at first so I bought and ran EQ. I liked it, a lot, and I wasn't a EQ geek, although I read the comics once I got the rpg and liked them.

If you have the BRP BGB you don't need EQ unless you are an EQ fan and want a BRP game tailored to the comics.

Never played Elfquest; I wasn't a big fan of the comics either. Don't remember why but something just didn't sit well with me about them.

Quote from: RPGPundit;687191Never played Elfquest; I wasn't a big fan of the comics either. Don't remember why but something just didn't sit well with me about them.

Looking back I don't know why I was so enamored of them.  In my defense, though, I was like..14.

Actually still play it. Not as often as BRP fantasy. We have evolved the world and ideas. Being of a diffetent mind set and new to gaming, I have seen dnd, champions etc are abstract war games. Nothing wrong with abstracts, but after playing BRP dervived games, dnd is weak sauce, too expensive to be worth it.

Quote from: sylvermoonkitten;687601Actually still play it. Not as often as BRP fantasy. We have evolved the world and ideas. Being of a diffetent mind set and new to gaming, I have seen dnd, champions etc are abstract war games. Nothing wrong with abstracts, but after playing BRP dervived games, dnd is weak sauce, too expensive to be worth it.

I understand calling D&D, especially the most recent edition, an abstraction from wargaming, but Champions? No more so than BRP

Well, Elfquest's style was very much intended to be Disney like.  The Pinis had always intended their characters and world for an animated treatment.  The free loving hippy psychic alien elves at war with brutal and hateful humanity.  It was all very much symbolic of the hippy movement seeing themselves as evolved and advanced beyond traditional society.  The trolls were industrious but also amoral and exploitive of the work of others.  Some of that might be what was off putting for people.

Really the first series was pretty strong and had some great characters and some real twists and turns.  The discovery of the elves of Blue Mountain and the realization that the real enemy was another elf.  The war with the Trolls that Two Edge engineered was truly gripping.  And the discovery of the truth of the Wolf Riders and other elves a suitable conclusion.  The later stuff has been a bit mixed.  All too often, entirely too "Family Circus" as it were.  Like many stories, the stuff after the end feels more like it belongs in appendix.  

There are good bits, the thousand odd years Cutter waits for the palace to reappear and return his family to him in Kings of the Broken Wheel, and every time Leetah has to remind herself that he is now the older and more experienced of the two of them.  There's one where an elf adopts an abandoned human baby and try as they might, as he grows he becomes alienated and finally leaves unable to interact on so many crucial levels with his adopted family.  There's the humans being more technologically advanced than the elves in the later material too which is an interesting change.

The newest material has been, ehhh..awkward I guess.  All too much the preachy back to nature hippy screed without the moments of brilliance, body horror, shock, and sorrow.

Let me.explain. in dnd and champions combat is a war game, a comparison of numbers. We do sword and board, Champions at least 1-5 is just a number check. Combat is not realistic. Even Marvel has combat. But for me, as in real combat, I wanna be able to defend not some dcv, I want to hit not some OCV.
In RQ, BRP even superworld which isnt as bad as some make it, and heck it spawnwd a novel series lol., that many make it to be. It does need work.
Guess we see things differently, and what do I know Im just a dumb girl gaming only 7 years.
I am.sure you are correct.
Take care

Champions is a bit math heavy but it does have active defenses.

Don't get out of joint about it.  RQ3's pretty math intensive itself.  Though really around here it was probably the snipe about D&D that drew some fire in your direction.  Folks around here are pretty fond of their D&D (said the D&D hater).  Expect some backlash if you go there.