Quote from: CRKrueger;760010And you're different of course because you're complaining about a rule?  Funny, when I complained about a rule, At-will cantrips, you said the same exact thing, what a surprise.

Your opinion or one you agree with is the only one with any validity ever, got it.  

Can you just sig when you're in the mood to post with your brain turned off, kind of getting sick of wasting my time.

You are complaining about stuff even I can change in 30 seconds and have already posted. This without the game or the DMG. It's old already get it? Only if you'd quit "wasting" your time there wouldn't be an issue.

This whole site is built on the mantra fuck the numbers its about the player and you go batshit because 5e is going for a toolkit type game? Ridiculous.

Now if you have an issue when the actual rules come out with BASIC then you have ground to stand on and something to alter if it's not to your preference just like myself.

Yes, yes we all know by now why my criticisms are "inappropriate". Tell me this...

Why was your complaining about 4e mechanics backdooring their way in worthy of comment?

Quote from: CRKrueger;760022Yes, yes we all know by now why my criticisms are "inappropriate". Tell me this...

Why was your complaining about 4e mechanics backdooring their way in worthy of comment?

4e never made sense at least as a RPG. It's basically a boardgame. Everything balanced, everyone with powers, everyone with the same number of slots like some bad version of  prior edition wizards/sorcerers. Push this, pull that... what am I playing? Chutes and Ladders?

I know that 4e is in 5e but please don't make it so obvious. The healing is pure 4e to me and will be altered the second I run a game as will the short/long rest mechanism(that in itself may fix the healing issue) . And as soon as the DMG is out hitpoints also and the baseline of the game itself. I do it for FantasyCraft and now I will do it for a current Dnd. Mulilate, spindle, and fold is my motto. But this time with modern rules unlike 2e.

My current favorite short/long rest is 1 hour for a short rest and two days in an inn or something similar for a long rest. None of this overnight heal to full without outside help bullshit.

We should really stop arguing amongst ourselves.  Yesterday I posted my b/x version of 5e character sheet to the G+ Next group, and the people we should be arguing with are guys like Andrew

Compared to people like that, and our differences are pretty darn minor.  Sort of a minor epiphany I had lol

Quote from: Sacrosanct;760085We should really stop arguing amongst ourselves.  Yesterday I posted my b/x version of 5e character sheet to the G+ Next group, and the people we should be arguing with are guys like Andrew

Compared to people like that, and our differences are pretty darn minor.  Sort of a minor epiphany I had lol

Those comments are great especially about the nods to 2e. That Andrew guy had to be trolling for the lolz.

How do you find and join these groups?

Quote from: Marleycat;760092Those comments are great especially about the nods to 2e. That Andrew guy had to be trolling for the lolz.

How do you find and join these groups?

Have a google account.  Go to groups.  Search for whatever suits your fancy, and join them

Quote from: Sacrosanct;760093Have a google account.  Go to groups.  Search for whatever suits your fancy, and join them

Cool.

Edit: There's loads of information there!!!

Just because the "Noble" PC can secure an audience doesn't mean they have the ruler's ear.  And some nobles might use the audience to their own advantage.  I don't feel thus background presents much of a problem, honestly.  The comments over healing here lead to me to think (again) that some sort of differentiation between structural damage and "plot damage" is sorely needed in D&D.  Hell, why can't HP's just be Fate Points?  As you gain experience, you're better at avoiding those big shots.  Certainly characters don't get that much more buff.

Quote from: Marleycat;760095Cool.

Edit: There's loads of information there!!!

There are a ton of groups there.

Quote from: dragoner;760108There are a ton of groups there.

I know, I joined a couple Dnd ones, Onyx Path, Walking Dead, Hunger Games, Seattle Seahawks and a person or two I like.

Quote from: Marleycat;760110I know, I joined a couple Dnd ones, Onyx Path, Walking Dead, Hunger Games, Seattle Seahawks and a person or two I like.

Some, like the OSR one, are just filled with people spamming for their blogs; which I guess it gets the google feedcatcher there, but not too active otherwise. I think for forum software, it leaves a bit to be desired, vbulletin is good like here, G+ can get to be a pain if there are too many people posting in a thread.

Quote from: dragoner;760115Some, like the OSR one, are just filled with people spamming for their blogs; which I guess it gets the google feedcatcher there, but not too active otherwise. I think for forum software, it leaves a bit to be desired, vbulletin is good like here, G+ can get to be a pain if there are too many people posting in a thread.

Looks like it because it's all imbedded. What I like about it is it lets my upload/download PDF's and things directly if I am using my phone instead of a computer.

Quote from: Marleycat;760116Looks like it because it's all imbedded. What I like about it is it lets my upload/download PDF's and things directly if I am using my phone instead of a computer.

Yeah, it does have some good features, though be careful of posting from the notification pane on the side, because I have had my cursor move off the pane and then lose what I had written there, kind of annoying. Probably my most major annoyance, esp if a thread gets active.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;760085We should really stop arguing amongst ourselves.  Yesterday I posted my b/x version of 5e character sheet to the G+ Next group, and the people we should be arguing with are guys like Andrew

Compared to people like that, and our differences are pretty darn minor.  Sort of a minor epiphany I had lol

Andrew's sarcastically going hard, but, to be honest, he does have a point.  If 5e is trying to appeal to everyone, it was inevitable that they would appeal to the story crowd.  I'm just surprised they are doing it from page 1.

However, it makes perfect sense to be honest.

1.) Old school people - give them the Basic set to shut them up the fuck up for once, any book or module they buy is gravy.
2.) 3,3.5,PF people - give them books full of crunch to buy, we know how to do that, we perfected it.
3.) Story guys - hmm.  We know they're probably not going to buy a 60.00 hardcover from the Great Unwashed Satan in order to get the story mechanics.  So, we have to lay the foundation in the free stuff so they see we're thinking about them.  Then we can sell them the $60 hardcover to get the mechanics to make all the story stats work.

Frankly, it shows me someone over at WotC might have found an intern with a brain for the RPG side.

Quote from: CRKrueger;759984Hmm, Position of Privilege used to be a mechanic that gave you followers, now let's you get an audience with a noble.  I don't like the precedent of the "powers for Roleplaying".  Too much game system fingers on the setting.  

I can see your point and I have already stated I find other background noise on that sheet to be more egregious.

But if I had to guess at a reason for this change I would wager on a lack of follower rules in the starter set, PDF, or both.