Quote from: Chris24601 on May 07, 2021, 03:54:53 PM

Quote from: Anon Adderlan on May 07, 2021, 02:27:06 PM
The idea of an alien invasion being thwarted because they find humans just too sexy to control themselves around is rather intriguing however.

Isn't that basically the entire plot resolution for Macross/Robotech?

The aliens are so overwhelmed by the concept of sex and the blaring of 80's pop rock through their speakers that they literally stand around drooling as we blow them to kingdom come!

That is essentially it.  When Miriya, a female Zentradi, is micronized and infiltrates the SDF-1, she tracks down Max Sterling to assassinate him.  She finds him in an arcade (which she rationalizes as a "battle training center") and he beats her ass over and over again in a Valkyrie sim arcade cockpit game, she follows him home, confronts him in an alley and basically says "You're TOO AWESOME FOR ME therefore KILL ME!" and his response is to grab her and french kiss her until she's overcome with sexy thoughts and says (in a nutshell) "yee haw, I'm a dtf human loving HOT MAMA!" and joins up with humanity.

(It's still better than anything this game could bring to the table)

Quote from: thedungeondelver on May 09, 2021, 08:50:26 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on May 07, 2021, 03:54:53 PM

Quote from: Anon Adderlan on May 07, 2021, 02:27:06 PM
The idea of an alien invasion being thwarted because they find humans just too sexy to control themselves around is rather intriguing however.

Isn't that basically the entire plot resolution for Macross/Robotech?

The aliens are so overwhelmed by the concept of sex and the blaring of 80's pop rock through their speakers that they literally stand around drooling as we blow them to kingdom come!

That is essentially it.  When Miriya, a female Zentradi, is micronized and infiltrates the SDF-1, she tracks down Max Sterling to assassinate him.  She finds him in an arcade (which she rationalizes as a "battle training center") and he beats her ass over and over again in a Valkyrie sim arcade cockpit game, she follows him home, confronts him in an alley and basically says "You're TOO AWESOME FOR ME therefore KILL ME!" and his response is to grab her and french kiss her until she's overcome with sexy thoughts and says (in a nutshell) "yee haw, I'm a dtf human loving HOT MAMA!" and joins up with humanity.

(It's still better than anything this game could bring to the table)

Oh, I absolutely know it. I've been on a Robotech kick of late to the point I'm actually building a hybrid Mekton/Palladium ruleset for a campaign where pretty much every faction made it through to the Invid Invasion time period.

So you've got old RDF reserves, the Southern Cross (boy did I forget how fascist they were on the show), REF/Sentinels, EBSIS (because the future of the 1980's isn't complete without space Soviets), Merchant Republic (because Neo-Tokyo is also required for future 1980's), Zentraedi and Masters remnants plus both factions of Invid and Haydonites all duking it out over the one world in the known universe that the Flower of Life needed for Protoculture actually grows.

I just need to figure out how to make belting out 80's pop ballads into a viable stun attack in the mechanics.

Quote from: Chris24601 on May 09, 2021, 10:29:43 PM

Quote from: thedungeondelver on May 09, 2021, 08:50:26 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on May 07, 2021, 03:54:53 PM

Quote from: Anon Adderlan on May 07, 2021, 02:27:06 PM
The idea of an alien invasion being thwarted because they find humans just too sexy to control themselves around is rather intriguing however.

Isn't that basically the entire plot resolution for Macross/Robotech?

The aliens are so overwhelmed by the concept of sex and the blaring of 80's pop rock through their speakers that they literally stand around drooling as we blow them to kingdom come!

That is essentially it.  When Miriya, a female Zentradi, is micronized and infiltrates the SDF-1, she tracks down Max Sterling to assassinate him.  She finds him in an arcade (which she rationalizes as a "battle training center") and he beats her ass over and over again in a Valkyrie sim arcade cockpit game, she follows him home, confronts him in an alley and basically says "You're TOO AWESOME FOR ME therefore KILL ME!" and his response is to grab her and french kiss her until she's overcome with sexy thoughts and says (in a nutshell) "yee haw, I'm a dtf human loving HOT MAMA!" and joins up with humanity.

(It's still better than anything this game could bring to the table)

Oh, I absolutely know it. I've been on a Robotech kick of late to the point I'm actually building a hybrid Mekton/Palladium ruleset for a campaign where pretty much every faction made it through to the Invid Invasion time period.

So you've got old RDF reserves, the Southern Cross (boy did I forget how fascist they were on the show), REF/Sentinels, EBSIS (because the future of the 1980's isn't complete without space Soviets), Merchant Republic (because Neo-Tokyo is also required for future 1980's), Zentraedi and Masters remnants plus both factions of Invid and Haydonites all duking it out over the one world in the known universe that the Flower of Life needed for Protoculture actually grows.

I just need to figure out how to make belting out 80's pop ballads into a viable stun attack in the mechanics.

Yeah, I don't really churn them all together, I just stick with Macross' story line, characters, and so forth.  Mashing three shows together and then trying to make it all make sense just leaves me flat.

Quote from: thedungeondelver on May 10, 2021, 02:23:00 AM

Quote from: Chris24601 on May 09, 2021, 10:29:43 PM

Quote from: thedungeondelver on May 09, 2021, 08:50:26 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on May 07, 2021, 03:54:53 PM

Quote from: Anon Adderlan on May 07, 2021, 02:27:06 PM
The idea of an alien invasion being thwarted because they find humans just too sexy to control themselves around is rather intriguing however.

Isn't that basically the entire plot resolution for Macross/Robotech?

The aliens are so overwhelmed by the concept of sex and the blaring of 80's pop rock through their speakers that they literally stand around drooling as we blow them to kingdom come!

That is essentially it.  When Miriya, a female Zentradi, is micronized and infiltrates the SDF-1, she tracks down Max Sterling to assassinate him.  She finds him in an arcade (which she rationalizes as a "battle training center") and he beats her ass over and over again in a Valkyrie sim arcade cockpit game, she follows him home, confronts him in an alley and basically says "You're TOO AWESOME FOR ME therefore KILL ME!" and his response is to grab her and french kiss her until she's overcome with sexy thoughts and says (in a nutshell) "yee haw, I'm a dtf human loving HOT MAMA!" and joins up with humanity.

(It's still better than anything this game could bring to the table)

Oh, I absolutely know it. I've been on a Robotech kick of late to the point I'm actually building a hybrid Mekton/Palladium ruleset for a campaign where pretty much every faction made it through to the Invid Invasion time period.

So you've got old RDF reserves, the Southern Cross (boy did I forget how fascist they were on the show), REF/Sentinels, EBSIS (because the future of the 1980's isn't complete without space Soviets), Merchant Republic (because Neo-Tokyo is also required for future 1980's), Zentraedi and Masters remnants plus both factions of Invid and Haydonites all duking it out over the one world in the known universe that the Flower of Life needed for Protoculture actually grows.

I just need to figure out how to make belting out 80's pop ballads into a viable stun attack in the mechanics.

Yeah, I don't really churn them all together, I just stick with Macross' story line, characters, and so forth.  Mashing three shows together and then trying to make it all make sense just leaves me flat.

It's less an issue for me because I've always preferred the Mospeada/New Generation-era and characters (Scott Bernard can kick Rick Hunter's emo ass, Lancer's version of "We Will Win" is better than Minmei's and the Alpha Fighter is a much better designed machine whose feet don't produce ridiculous ground pressures and whose transformation sequence far less likely to go wonky in the middle of a battle than the VF-1 Veritech).

The advantage of preferring the tail end of the timeline is that bringing in all the other elements is just a matter of tweaking it so that enough of ASC, RDF and EBSIS units, plus rogue Zentraedi and Tirolian refugees survive the initial Invid attack to remain credible forces and deciding the Sentinels aliens actually help the REF in trying to take back Earth from the Invid (just as the REF helped liberate their worlds from the Invid).

Basically, mine is a version of the 1e RPG's Invid Invasion/Return of the Masters setting where the non-REF human factions maintain enough cohesion to actually still count as governments and Invid numbers are small enough they don't overwhelm everything else (in the 1e RPG they sent a smaller farming/garrison force back six months after Reflex Point because Earth is still the only place the Flower actually grows, but instead of trying to keep the whole planet, they just occupied the regions the Flower grew most densely).

The fact that Zentraedi/Tirolians are very long lived justifies the rogues still being around after 30 years and it's only been about a decade since the ASC got blasted by the Masters and a lot of the supplemental materials (comics, etc.) explains that the bulk of their survivors either went to ground or retreated to the Moon/Mars bases when the Invid arrived. Having them reassert control over parts of South America (where the ASC originally started as a grass roots operation by survivors of the Zentraedi holocaust) where the Flower is less pervasive makes sense (and similar for the EBSIS in Eastern Europe and Merchant Republic in Japan with some old RDF garrisons still hanging on in Africa while the REF sets up shop at Mars Base).

The primary thinking on my end is that by putting some additional emphasis on the ASC/EBSIS remnants and rogue Zentraedi/Masters in addition to the Invid (who picked up surviving elements of the Regent's faction) with the players getting as the REF/Sentinels (with RDF reserve units) would add enough options for both support and enemy units to make an extended campaign a bit more interesting.

Oh I definitely get it if you're adding flavor, make no mistake.  I guess I'm just two dimensional and I would just have even more Zentradi show up

Man this makes me wish I still I had my "Jack McKinney" omnibus Robotech "The Macross Saga" paperbacks.  I think I sold 'em all off long ago, though.