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ChangedStars: Poe's Law in RPG Form

Started by Torque2100, April 28, 2021, 12:16:04 PM

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GeekyBugle

#60
April 30, 2021, 03:27:52 PM Last Edit: April 30, 2021, 03:30:23 PM by GeekyBugle
Quote from: Rhedyn on April 30, 2021, 02:56:05 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 30, 2021, 02:41:54 PMWe already have a system where those who contribute to society get richer, it's called free market capitalism. AND with paper/coin it also has something your system doesn't:
My capital gains and dividend statements disagree with you.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 30, 2021, 02:41:54 PM
I can be a shitlord in the web and walk into a store, hand them my money in exchange for their product and we don't need to know jack shit about one another.
Amazon & DTRPG does that too.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 30, 2021, 02:41:54 PM
Your system will devolve into a puritanical rule where only that which the moral "majority" deem accetable will exist.
Oh that is a critique of the system. Everyone else can exist, but will have less worth if they personally buck against moral trends. Part of the algorithm corrections would be putting in tolerances for acceptable deviations. But settled issues like, "racism = bad" wouldn't be changed.

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence.

Except they don't, Amazon bans books from those with badwrongthink, and DTRPG does too.

Who decides what 's racism?

Why should your morals decide who gets to live?

See? You don't have your utopian system and you're already condemning to death you deem unworthy. Now picture you with power and modeling such algorythm....

:-\

It would make for a great setting for a game like The Price of Freedom tho. PCs against the puritans. I would totally play that.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Ratman_tf

#61
April 30, 2021, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: Rhedyn on April 30, 2021, 03:09:07 PM
Quote from: shuddemell on April 30, 2021, 03:01:55 PMThat is certainly a way to squash free thought and innovation. Any system based on what others "think" or "feel" about you is fundamentally morally and ethically corrupt, because it is not based on some tangible system of laws but rather on the current zeitgeist, which is wildly unpredictable, inconsistent and often (as the SJW's like to put it) on the wrong side of history. No thanks.
Are you against free and fair democratic elections? You can say all those things and they can feel true, but the foundation of what makes the free world free is what others "think" or "feel" about politicians. Instead of right of blood or right of might, our leaders must win a popularity contest. It's not perfect, but I'll take it over feudalism.

Popularity contests are precisely why the United States is not a Democracy.



I think part of what I find so icky about these SJW settings is that they're masturbatory fantasies about what would happen if they got political power and metaphorically (or sometimes literally) hanged their opposition.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Rhedyn

#62
April 30, 2021, 03:51:42 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on April 30, 2021, 03:19:58 PM
...and the quality of our lives being determined by the whims of the moronic mob.
The success of a small business.

Your employment status.

How much you are paid.

How much you have to pay for services.

Etc.

Much of you life is already subject to the whims of the moronic mob. Now imagine if wealth was tied directly to not seemingly like an asshole? Has your day-to-day interactions improved?

Rhedyn

#63
April 30, 2021, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 30, 2021, 03:36:45 PM

Popularity contests are precisely why the United States is not a Democracy.
Technology of the time was also a limiting factor. Even current communication technology would struggle to implement a direct democracy for 300 million+ people.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 30, 2021, 03:36:45 PM
I think part of what I find so icky about these SJW settings is that they're masturbatory fantasies about what would happen if they got political power and metaphorically (or sometimes literally) hanged their opposition.
Idk, some political ideologies are "dead-ends" that only seem to prove that democracy must give way to autocrats in the near future. If I could Thanos snap the facist party away from the US, then the other party could split between the progressive half and the actual conservative half.
Half the US has an unreasonable understanding of what reasonable political opinions are, so any half-way coherent sci-fi setting has to address the that problem.

moonsweeper

#64
April 30, 2021, 04:12:33 PM
Quote from: Rhedyn on April 30, 2021, 04:01:14 PM
If I could Thanos snap the facist party away from the US, then the other party could split between the progressive half and the actual conservative half.
Half the US has an unreasonable understanding of what reasonable political opinions are, so any half-way coherent sci-fi setting has to address the that problem.

...and you wonder why people are saying 'No' to your idea of social credit? ???

Jesus Christ, dude, you are fucking scary...
"I have a very hard time taking seriously someone who has the time and resources to protest capitalism, while walking around in Nike shoes and drinking Starbucks, while filming it on their iPhone."  --  Alderaan Crumbs

"Just, can you make it The Ramones at least? I only listen to Abba when I want to fuck a stripper." -- Jeff37923

"Government is the only entity that relies on its failures to justify the expansion of its powers." -- David Freiheit (Viva Frei)

This Guy

#65
April 30, 2021, 04:16:10 PM
Quote from: moonsweeper on April 30, 2021, 04:12:33 PM
Quote from: Rhedyn on April 30, 2021, 04:01:14 PM
If I could Thanos snap the facist party away from the US, then the other party could split between the progressive half and the actual conservative half.
Half the US has an unreasonable understanding of what reasonable political opinions are, so any half-way coherent sci-fi setting has to address the that problem.

...and you wonder why people are saying 'No' to your idea of social credit? ???

Jesus Christ, dude, you are fucking scary...

You are easily scared and should consider seeking help for that.
I don\'t want to play with you.

Rhedyn

#66
April 30, 2021, 04:17:01 PM
Quote from: moonsweeper on April 30, 2021, 04:12:33 PM

...and you wonder why people are saying 'No' to your idea of social credit? ???

Jesus Christ, dude, you are fucking scary...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XtAHOepH94

Ratman_tf

#67
April 30, 2021, 04:17:45 PM
Quote from: Rhedyn on April 30, 2021, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 30, 2021, 03:36:45 PM

Popularity contests are precisely why the United States is not a Democracy.
Technology of the time was also a limiting factor. Even current communication technology would struggle to implement a direct democracy for 300 million+ people.

Technology is not an issue. The issue is when a majority infringes the rights of a minority. Full Stop.

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Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 30, 2021, 03:36:45 PM
I think part of what I find so icky about these SJW settings is that they're masturbatory fantasies about what would happen if they got political power and metaphorically (or sometimes literally) hanged their opposition.
Idk, some political ideologies are "dead-ends" that only seem to prove that democracy must give way to autocrats in the near future. If I could Thanos snap the facist party away from the US, then the other party could split between the progressive half and the actual conservative half.
Half the US has an unreasonable understanding of what reasonable political opinions are, so any half-way coherent sci-fi setting has to address the that problem.

Give it a few years, and the remainder will call their opponents unreasonable, rinse and repeat. All you'll be left with is Thanos in his hut after he snaps the last other person away.
RPGs are full of disagreeing factions contending with each other. The ickyness of something like Eclipse Phase is the idea that the author's pet ideology won, and now the world is super happy place, with a dash of conflict so the characters actually have something to do.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

GeekyBugle

#68
April 30, 2021, 04:20:28 PM
Quote from: Rhedyn on April 30, 2021, 03:51:42 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on April 30, 2021, 03:19:58 PM
...and the quality of our lives being determined by the whims of the moronic mob.
The success of a small business.

Your employment status.

How much you are paid.

How much you have to pay for services.

Etc.

Much of you life is already subject to the whims of the moronic mob. Now imagine if wealth was tied directly to not seemingly like an asshole? Has your day-to-day interactions improved?

According to what cult?

That reads more and more like some sort of theocracy but with a secular cult at the center. Great for a Dystopian setting, not so much for IRL.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

This Guy

#69
April 30, 2021, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 30, 2021, 04:20:28 PM
Quote from: Rhedyn on April 30, 2021, 03:51:42 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on April 30, 2021, 03:19:58 PM
...and the quality of our lives being determined by the whims of the moronic mob.
The success of a small business.

Your employment status.

How much you are paid.

How much you have to pay for services.

Etc.

Much of you life is already subject to the whims of the moronic mob. Now imagine if wealth was tied directly to not seemingly like an asshole? Has your day-to-day interactions improved?

According to what cult?

That reads more and more like some sort of theocracy but with a secular cult at the center. Great for a Dystopian setting, not so much for IRL.

The one you're in now. No john you are the cult
I don\'t want to play with you.

GeekyBugle

#70
April 30, 2021, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: moonsweeper on April 30, 2021, 04:12:33 PM
Quote from: Rhedyn on April 30, 2021, 04:01:14 PM
If I could Thanos snap the facist party away from the US, then the other party could split between the progressive half and the actual conservative half.
Half the US has an unreasonable understanding of what reasonable political opinions are, so any half-way coherent sci-fi setting has to address the that problem.

...and you wonder why people are saying 'No' to your idea of social credit? ???

Jesus Christ, dude, you are fucking scary...

I've got an idea, lets put him, This Guy and the Swain ina thread in Pundit's forum to fully flesh out their utopian system.

Take it verbatim and use it as the setting for a Dystopian RPG, The Price of Freedom sounds about right up their alley.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Rhedyn

#71
April 30, 2021, 04:25:19 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 30, 2021, 04:17:45 PM
Give it a few years, and the remainder will call their opponents unreasonable, rinse and repeat. All you'll be left with is Thanos in his hut after he snaps the last other person away...
Yeah but then I can be the entrenched conservative wanting to maintain my ideal society. That's a win in my book.

Rhedyn

#72
April 30, 2021, 04:26:18 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 30, 2021, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: moonsweeper on April 30, 2021, 04:12:33 PM
Quote from: Rhedyn on April 30, 2021, 04:01:14 PM
If I could Thanos snap the facist party away from the US, then the other party could split between the progressive half and the actual conservative half.
Half the US has an unreasonable understanding of what reasonable political opinions are, so any half-way coherent sci-fi setting has to address the that problem.

...and you wonder why people are saying 'No' to your idea of social credit? ???

Jesus Christ, dude, you are fucking scary...

I've got an idea, lets put him, This Guy and the Swain ina thread in Pundit's forum to fully flesh out their utopian system.

Take it verbatim and use it as the setting for a Dystopian RPG, The Price of Freedom sounds about right up their alley.
Nova Praxis is already a Dystopian RPG setting offered in multiple systems.

This Guy

#73
April 30, 2021, 04:26:43 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 30, 2021, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: moonsweeper on April 30, 2021, 04:12:33 PM
Quote from: Rhedyn on April 30, 2021, 04:01:14 PM
If I could Thanos snap the facist party away from the US, then the other party could split between the progressive half and the actual conservative half.
Half the US has an unreasonable understanding of what reasonable political opinions are, so any half-way coherent sci-fi setting has to address the that problem.

...and you wonder why people are saying 'No' to your idea of social credit? ???

Jesus Christ, dude, you are fucking scary...

I've got an idea, lets put him, This Guy and the Swain ina thread in Pundit's forum to fully flesh out their utopian system.

Take it verbatim and use it as the setting for a Dystopian RPG, The Price of Freedom sounds about right up their alley.

Why on gods green earth would I ever want to develop something that you might enjoy using
I don\'t want to play with you.

Ratman_tf

#74
April 30, 2021, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: Rhedyn on April 30, 2021, 04:25:19 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 30, 2021, 04:17:45 PM
Give it a few years, and the remainder will call their opponents unreasonable, rinse and repeat. All you'll be left with is Thanos in his hut after he snaps the last other person away...
Yeah but then I can be the entrenched conservative wanting to maintain my ideal society. That's a win in my book.

You fascist. *Snap*
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung
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