Cha'alt and Venger banned from local game store

Tubesock Army · March 06, 2022, 02:03:54 PM

Quote from: Abraxus on March 06, 2022, 01:07:05 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 06, 2022, 10:02:18 AM
Quote from: Abraxus on March 06, 2022, 12:15:21 AM
CuckTamponArmy defending the burning of book because the-author has a difference of opinion then he does.

How very virtue signalling SJW CB of him.

If the author had the same opinion he did and it happened to his favoured he would be screaming censorship at the top of his lungs.

Go go SJW Dude Ranger I guess.

Nice hypothetical, but no, I'm not dumb enough to believe that the First Amendment applies to private business. If a conservative-owned store wanted to ban Zweihander, it wouldn't be censorship, it would be their prerogative. The First Amendment exists to protect citizens from government, not to protect the government from citizens, or citizens from each other. This is not "censorship", it's the free market at work. Move to China, if that bothers you so much.

Nice try at defending censorship CuckTampon Army

Save your virtue signalling bullshit.

Then again it's ok for your SJW to cancel someone because of " reasons and feels"

When it comes to your side suffering the same it's censorship because of once again " reasons and feels"

Hopefully it backfires and hurts their sales

LMAO nope. I didn't feel sorry for Kathy Griffin, and I don't feel sorry for Venger. This isn't censorship, and my view of that doesn't change with the political viewpoint of the aggrieved whiner.

"Hurts their sales" HAHAHAHAHA please. This happened a year and a half ago, and the response has been overwhelmingly positive. Keep dreamin', though.

hedgehobbit · March 06, 2022, 02:23:46 PM

Quote from: Fheredin on March 06, 2022, 12:59:34 PMReally, I would be very surprised if DTRPG doesn't do this kind of thing soon to somebody.

DTRPG already did do this to somebody. Years ago to Judges Guild. They won't need to do it again for a while since every game company immediately fell in line after that.

RandyB · March 06, 2022, 02:28:29 PM

Quote from: hedgehobbit on March 06, 2022, 02:23:46 PM
Quote from: Fheredin on March 06, 2022, 12:59:34 PMReally, I would be very surprised if DTRPG doesn't do this kind of thing soon to somebody.

DTRPG already did do this so somebody. Years ago to Judges Guild. They won't need to do it again for a while since every game company immediately fell in line after that.

Pour encourager les autres always works. Would that it be used against the Woke.

Reckall · March 06, 2022, 07:57:00 PM

Quote from: Fheredin on March 06, 2022, 12:59:34 PM
I fully expect that if/ when WotC gets into a situation where they have to choose between good business and toxic politics, they will absolutely choose toxic politics and use the fact they are the big player in an attempt to play scorched earth.

Especially considering how well this worked for TSR...

estar · March 07, 2022, 08:06:38 AM

Quote from: hedgehobbit on March 06, 2022, 02:23:46 PM
Quote from: Fheredin on March 06, 2022, 12:59:34 PMReally, I would be very surprised if DTRPG doesn't do this kind of thing soon to somebody.

DTRPG already did do this to somebody. Years ago to Judges Guild. They won't need to do it again for a while since every game company immediately fell in line after that.

Robert Bledsaw II dug his own grave.

Concerning Judges Guild
https://batintheattic.blogspot.com/2020/02/concerning-judges-guild.html

More Concerning Judges Guild
https://batintheattic.blogspot.com/2020/02/concerning-judges-guild-further.html

Omega · March 07, 2022, 09:21:56 AM

Quote from: Reckall on March 06, 2022, 07:57:00 PM
Quote from: Fheredin on March 06, 2022, 12:59:34 PM
I fully expect that if/ when WotC gets into a situation where they have to choose between good business and toxic politics, they will absolutely choose toxic politics and use the fact they are the big player in an attempt to play scorched earth.

Especially considering how well this worked for TSR...

TSR once they ousted Gary was not as bad as folks like to claim. But their legal branch was indeed competing with Palladium for "Stupidest Litigations of the Century" award. Most were aimed at other companies. But some notable ones were aimed at fan sites. But it certainly was not just TSR being stupid. They just stand out as Palladium was at the time only targeting fan sites. I know because they went after one I've been helping with. All gone with one threat. TSR though bled themselves out with their lawsuits at a time they really couldnt afford to.

Omega · March 07, 2022, 09:26:08 AM

Quote from: estar on March 07, 2022, 08:06:38 AM
Robert Bledsaw II dug his own grave.

Concerning Judges Guild
https://batintheattic.blogspot.com/2020/02/concerning-judges-guild.html

More Concerning Judges Guild
https://batintheattic.blogspot.com/2020/02/concerning-judges-guild-further.html

Still one of the more baffling outbursts from a publisher. Right up there with the meltdown of the Katalyka gal.

Zalman · March 07, 2022, 09:32:57 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2022, 06:14:43 PM
Decentralized, built on the blockchain (censorship free/proof) easy to set up, you can accept cryptocurrency & credit/debit cards.

https://blog.originprotocol.com/dshop-is-open-for-business-launch-your-free-decentralized-store-in-minutes-d7a7092a7527

Add some links to other designer's stores and we have the starts of something.

+1 on promoting this. Decentralization is the only solution I see here. Everything else is just a never-ending battle. Those may be battles worth fighting in the short-term, but allowing the battlefield to reign indefinitely is inevitably a losing paradigm.

VengerSatanis · March 07, 2022, 10:42:42 AM

Quote from: RandyB on March 06, 2022, 02:28:29 PM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on March 06, 2022, 02:23:46 PM
Quote from: Fheredin on March 06, 2022, 12:59:34 PMReally, I would be very surprised if DTRPG doesn't do this kind of thing soon to somebody.

DTRPG already did do this so somebody. Years ago to Judges Guild. They won't need to do it again for a while since every game company immediately fell in line after that.

Pour encourager les autres always works. Would that it be used against the Woke.

We could possibly use politics against the woke if there was an issue they were clearly on the wrong side of, like transing the kids. But that would mean a whole lot of the silent majority would have to speak up and be counted among those trying to protect children from genital mutilation, chemical castration, and irreversible hormone blockers.

oggsmash · March 07, 2022, 10:48:23 AM

Quote from: VengerSatanis on March 07, 2022, 10:42:42 AM
Quote from: RandyB on March 06, 2022, 02:28:29 PM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on March 06, 2022, 02:23:46 PM
Quote from: Fheredin on March 06, 2022, 12:59:34 PMReally, I would be very surprised if DTRPG doesn't do this kind of thing soon to somebody.

DTRPG already did do this so somebody. Years ago to Judges Guild. They won't need to do it again for a while since every game company immediately fell in line after that.

Pour encourager les autres always works. Would that it be used against the Woke.

We could possibly use politics against the woke if there was an issue they were clearly on the wrong side of, like transing the kids. But that would mean a whole lot of the silent majority would have to speak up and be counted among those trying to protect children from genital mutilation, chemical castration, and irreversible hormone blockers.

Fighting those turds on their own terms is just a way to lose slower IMO. I rather they just keep pushing, hit the red line and they get fought on terms I prefer.

Abraxus · March 07, 2022, 11:40:29 AM

It comes at a time where the consumer really does not need to buy from te local gaming store.

Amazon had the product cheaper. Drivethrurpg sells PDFs cheaper than print copy. Discord and similar software Allie one to join a group without leaving the comfort and safety of one own home. I buy sometimes from one in my area due to their used section. If I knew they were banning an rpg because of misguided virtue signalling they would be dead to me. My wallet richer.

oggsmash · March 07, 2022, 11:57:52 AM

Quote from: Abraxus on March 07, 2022, 11:40:29 AM
It comes at a time where the consumer really does not need to buy from te local gaming store.

Amazon had the product cheaper. Drivethrurpg sells PDFs cheaper than print copy. Discord and similar software Allie one to join a group without leaving the comfort and safety of one own home. I buy sometimes from one in my area due to their used section. If I knew they were banning an rpg because of misguided virtue signalling they would be dead to me. My wallet richer.

Yeah I got the impression all the gaming stores where I live paid the bills by having large crowds of people playing games for hours and buying the snacks and sodas 3-4 times during that stay. Those stays could result in some loyalty from the customer to have a product ordered through the store, or buy it in real time if the store was well stocked (IME most game stores do not have a great variety, and really load up on the money makers, which I expect) during a long stay. I think virtue signaling as a LFGS is a big fucking mistake. I know at least one where I live went out of business due to Covid and the others are hurting to recover. Not a smart move to try to piss any customers off at this point.

JeremiahJones · March 07, 2022, 12:06:00 PM

I like the owner of my local gaming store. He's never talked to me about politics, so I really hope he is focusing on his "business" rather than the whole virtue signaling thing.

Abraxus · March 07, 2022, 12:38:56 PM

It's not just the LGs it's even the brand name stores. We have the equivalent of a Shoppers Drug mart just different name and when J or my wife goes it's not as full as it used to be. Why by say Oreos at 5-6$ a box when Amazon sells for 2$. Same with bottles of Listerine.

Then again most owners of LGS are not very business savvy in the first place. Stupidly publicly criticizing a shoppers RPGs choices in their face or something equally as stupid.

JeremiahJones · March 07, 2022, 12:55:39 PM

I agree. I haven't really been a fan of Amazon winning, but they have done a bit better of a job of not criticizing their customers. Their employees aren't always so business savvy, but luckily they aren't the face of the company.

I wish there was some kind of hybrid solution .. a web presence that gave users the feel of a walk in business (assuming they wanted that sort of thing). Kind of like what people always assumed internet via VR would look like, like walking into a virtual café. That sort of thing.