[Cartography]Britannia Map Critique?

Sosthenes · July 12, 2007, 11:31:59 AM

FrameMaker? Compared to PageMaker, FrameMaker was bliss...

HinterWelt · July 12, 2007, 12:24:22 PM

Quote from: flyingmiceAhhh! THe infamous Adobe "Learning Cliff"? I tried photoshop and hated it. It's like a racing car that you steer with a tiller - extrordinarily powerful but really difficult to learn to control. I gave my copy away to another person on the project and used other programs. I don't have the time to devote to it. FrameMaker was bad enough!

-clash

Well, I have my wacom tablet which helps a lot.

As well, you know I think FM rules the block!

Bill

flyingmice · July 12, 2007, 12:52:03 PM

Quote from: HinterWeltWell, I have my wacom tablet which helps a lot.

As well, you know I think FM rules the block!

Bill

Oh, I love FM! Don't get me wrong! I just hated learning to use it! I've still barely scratched the surface of what it can do!

And Sosthenes, I agree! PageMaker was just plain hell!

-clash

HinterWelt · July 12, 2007, 09:21:28 PM

Based on some feedback....

Thanks,
Bill

Caudex · July 13, 2007, 05:49:09 AM

Quote from: HinterWeltYou know, I have not been able to find a single spelling for Lodinium to save my life. I have seen it spelled Lundunium, Lundinium, Londonium, Londunium and Londinium. I should probably switch it out.

Much the same could be said for "Paris" or "Munich".

The standard English spelling for the Roman city is Londinium.

QuoteAny others you have issue with?

The only one I can spot at a glance is that the Romans of the time usually spelt Colchester's name "Camulodunum".

Also, "insula" and "insulae", as well as "aestuarium", would more naturally come in front of, for example, "Vectis". In general, where English would have "Staten Island", Latin would have "the Island of Staten". But as you know that's not a big deal in Latin, so I wouldn't worry about it too much, it just looks a bit odd.

edit: Oh, and "oceanus" Britannicus? I'm as proud of the Channel as any fellow, but it's more of a sea than an ocean.

Drew · July 13, 2007, 06:14:56 AM

Quote from: Caudexedit: Oh, and "oceanus" Britannicus? I'm as proud of the Channel as any fellow, but it's more of a sea than an ocean.

More like a jumped up river trying to play with the big kids...

There was an interesting documentary on British TV recently about the prehistoric flora and fauna that inhabited the channel prior to it's immersion. Archaeologists have only recently started dredging the sea bed for finds, and thus far have found evidence of mammoths, sabre tooth cats and neanderthal settlements. I think it would make a great setting for a fantasy game.

HinterWelt · July 13, 2007, 10:06:09 AM

Quote from: CaudexMuch the same could be said for "Paris" or "Munich".

The standard English spelling for the Roman city is Londinium.

Well, no skin off my nose. I have changed it.

Quote from: CaudexThe only one I can spot at a glance is that the Romans of the time usually spelt Colchester's name "Camulodunum".

This is a tough one. Medieval misinterpretation caused the contraction but I wonder if it was also a usage issue. Since this is in 1461 AUC I need to look at some of the evolution of population and place names and kind of guesstimate what they would evolve into. Would the Romans have kept it pure? Would the natives have corrupted the Latin? Tough call.

Quote from: CaudexAlso, "insula" and "insulae", as well as "aestuarium", would more naturally come in front of, for example, "Vectis". In general, where English would have "Staten Island", Latin would have "the Island of Staten". But as you know that's not a big deal in Latin, so I wouldn't worry about it too much, it just looks a bit odd.

Hrm, as you noted, Latin makes the distinction based on case, in this instance, genitive. That is the means of denoting possession. Thus, Sabrina Aestuarium is the same as Aestuarium Sabrina.

Quote from: Caudexedit: Oh, and "oceanus" Britannicus? I'm as proud of the Channel as any fellow, but it's more of a sea than an ocean.

I have several sources that name the water south of Britannia as "Oceanus Britannicus".

Thanks for the info,
Bill

Caudex · July 16, 2007, 05:28:12 AM

Quote from: HinterWeltHrm, as you noted, Latin makes the distinction based on case, in this instance, genitive. That is the means of denoting possession. Thus, Sabrina Aestuarium is the same as Aestuarium Sabrina.

I'm well aware of that, I was just pointing out that usually that would not be the word order even though it is technically the same. After all, Yoda's speech is grammatically correct but not standard English.

QuoteI have several sources that name the water south of Britannia as "Oceanus Britannicus".

Yes, that's what it was called, but I could guess you were aiming for a more "futuristic" (for want of a better term) setting, as evinced by the made-up names, so the Romans might have, by then, realised it wasn't much of an ocean.
On the other hand, I think some Victorians used to try and get people to call it the English Sea, so perhaps that wouldn't very true to life after all.

The Camulodunum call I would agree with if you definitely want to include language changes.

Zachary The First · July 16, 2007, 09:14:53 AM

Lookin' good Bill. Dig the coastlines.

HinterWelt · July 16, 2007, 10:28:18 AM

Quote from: CaudexI'm well aware of that, I was just pointing out that usually that would not be the word order even though it is technically the same. After all, Yoda's speech is grammatically correct but not standard English.

I have to respectfully disagree. "Come this way you have" is not correct grammar. It would be a valid comparison to say "The car is blue" and "The blue car" are different ways of saying the sam thing but that is not entirely a true comparison either.

I am sorry if the Latin offends you. Again, I am not functioning in a void. Almost all maps I have used for comparison have the same word order. Combined with the fact you can have any order in your modifying genitive, well, I am not sure what the big deal is.

I do appreciate you taking the time though and your issues are noted.

Thanks,
Bill

Caudex · July 17, 2007, 03:59:30 AM

Quote from: HinterWeltI have to respectfully disagree. "Come this way you have" is not correct grammar.

I'm afraid you're wrong there - it's peculiar but not incorrect; I can think of several examples in which such a word order would be perfectly correct. But no sense in arguing.
Good luck with the rest of the project, anyway.

HinterWelt · July 17, 2007, 10:09:59 AM

Quote from: CaudexI'm afraid you're wrong there - it's peculiar but not incorrect; I can think of several examples in which such a word order would be perfectly correct. But no sense in arguing.
Good luck with the rest of the project, anyway.

Well, I am not but I agree, there is little reason to go on arguing about it since it does not even apply to the issue and I assure you, I do not use "Come this way you have" in Britannia at any point.

Continuing with the original post, Hibernia with a different coastal effect. The lettering is quite questionable and think I overused green just a tad.

Bill

Ronin · July 17, 2007, 11:03:14 AM

I like that one. And the green doesnt bother me. But I like green so I guess I'm a little biased.

HinterWelt · July 17, 2007, 11:12:11 AM

Quote from: RoninI like that one. And the green doesnt bother me. But I like green so I guess I'm a little biased.

The shore effect is not as smooth as it is at higher resolutions. I liked the green too, I just wonder if it washes out the map too much against the light blue.

Thanks,
Bill

Seanchai · July 17, 2007, 12:23:19 PM

I like this latest one better, but the contrast between the text and graphic elements has been lost.

Seanchai