Quote from: Greentongue;1143787If all the opponents in a setting are humans, is this now so "politically incorrect" that it is no longer a viable option.
Certainly couldn't be sold in today's market.
Even the killing of non-humans as stand-ins for "those bad humans" in being brought up as colonialism and genocide.  

Who is left to "kill and loot" without ramification? Undead? Are they someone's hallowed ancestors and off limits too?

Yes it can, but who cares? I'll write my games and play my games as I want them not as the wokescolds of the Istophobic Panic deem acceptable, because fuck the authoritarians that's why.

Runequest's Glorantha, with it's cultural focus, is an example of setting where players are all human and the main political conflict is driven by humans, and it works.

*the Orlanthi vs Lunar Empire war (or God Learners vs Dragonfriends in the old age), though there are an assortment of different races spread on the world.

Quote from: Greentongue;1143787If all the opponents in a setting are humans, is this now so "politically incorrect" that it is no longer a viable option.
Certainly couldn't be sold in today's market.
Even the killing of non-humans as stand-ins for "those bad humans" in being brought up as colonialism and genocide.  

Who is left to "kill and loot" without ramification? Undead? Are they someone's hallowed ancestors and off limits too?

As long as you call the enemy, "Nazi's"; you can get away with it.

In the real world, all the monsters are humans.  Killing monsters can be justified.  Killing people because they bear a physical resemblance to someone doing evil is a problem.  Having an 'enemy culture' can be okay - that's how wars work - but you can usually see things from the other side's point of view.  

As far as can it sell, of course, for some value of sell.  Most people like more fantasy in their fantasy settings.  More options are usually well received.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1143888In the real world, all the monsters are humans.  Killing monsters can be justified.  Killing people because they bear a physical resemblance to someone doing evil is a problem.  Having an 'enemy culture' can be okay - that's how wars work - but you can usually see things from the other side's point of view.  

As far as can it sell, of course, for some value of sell.  Most people like more fantasy in their fantasy settings.  More options are usually well received.

Fantasy races aren't People

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1143878Is ANTIFA human?

flesh golems.

Human enemies are much more Politically Correct than Always Chaotic Evil nonhuman races (Ancestries?) - so the OP seems confused. In Politically Correct culture, the Nazis/Kulaks/Alt-Right have chosen to be evil, that's why it's ok to kill them. Like people above hating on Antifa - it's ok to hate them because they've chosen to be Evil. Of course in reality Social Justice tends strongly towards seeing the white 'Ancestry' as inherently Sinful/Evil/Worthy of Destruction - so you can get away with having white humans as your Always Chaotic Evil enemy, but you can't substitute another human or non-human Ancestry.

I do kinda find it amusing that Conanesque Swords & Sorcery is actually more Politically Correct than is Tolkienesque High Fantasy.

Quote from: S'mon;1143910Human enemies are much more Politically Correct than Always Chaotic Evil nonhuman races (Ancestries?) - so the OP seems confused. In Politically Correct culture, the Nazis/Kulaks/Alt-Right have chosen to be evil, that's why it's ok to kill them. Like people above hating on Antifa - it's ok to hate them because they've chosen to be Evil. Of course in reality Social Justice tends strongly towards seeing the white 'Ancestry' as inherently Sinful/Evil/Worthy of Destruction - so you can get away with having white humans as your Always Chaotic Evil enemy, but you can't substitute another human or non-human Ancestry.

So you are saying that as long as the humans are doing things that a "clearly Evil" there is no moral issue with killing them and taking their stuff?

Are the classic SINs enough as long as they can be clearly identified as being done?

What about things like caging children and exploiting people?  If it is legal in that empire, can the empire's people be killed and looted guilt free?
Is tight movement restrictions and forced servitude enough?

We've had this sort of thread a few times now.

General answer is... of course. Its been done before. TSR did it at least twice if not more with various settings.
Both their Conan games were human only. At least two of their historical D&D settings were human only. Theres been some for other settings as well.

As with everything theres going to be those who like such a premise and others who want more variety in races. Presentation and reasoning help alot. Some settings just work better with a single race like human only or elf only or rabbit only, etc.

Provided that there will be different classes, yes.

Dipping into FantastCraft, and there are tons of options for making an all human campaign, and having each culture or even each character very distinct.

Someone brought up Cyberpunk et al, it also goes without saying Top Secret, James Bond, and any number of modern settings/rules sets have their audience.

Is the real question Can an all human setting compete with the 'big' fantasy games?  Probably not to the same level of sales, every snowflake at the table wants to be their distinct kind-hearted tiefling half-dragon.

Quote from: Greentongue;1143925So you are saying that as long as the humans are doing things that a "clearly Evil" there is no moral issue with killing them and taking their stuff?

Are the classic SINs enough as long as they can be clearly identified as being done?

What about things like caging children and exploiting people?  If it is legal in that empire, can the empire's people be killed and looted guilt free?
Is tight movement restrictions and forced servitude enough?

Yes, that would be ok. But you should always make the evil humans white, eg Paizo's devil-worshipping Cheliax empire. Or Gygax's Suel - Blond of Evil has been going awhile.

My problem is the "evil" and "good" labels. It's either infantile and unrealistic at least, or a tool for bigotry and intolerance at most.

Strip games of these and I'm good.

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;1143796So - while I disagree with the viewpoint, you seem to misunderstand it. It's that various groups are inherently arrow-fodder for being what they are, and they're too close to being humans for comfort. MOST people with that viewpoint wouldn't have issue with killing orcs or humans in a D&D game - so long as the players were sure that that particular orc/human was a murdering bandit etc. (

Those people are going pull nonsense out of their ass to badger and berate white people every chance they get. Fuck 'em!

Quote from: Itachi;1143947My problem is the "evil" and "good" labels. It's either infantile and unrealistic at least, or a tool for bigotry and intolerance at most.

Strip games of these and I'm good.

Houserule it on your table, nobody voted you the taste maker of the hobby.