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Call of Cthulhu 7e quick start rules: Anyone tried them out yet?

Started by Akrasia, August 01, 2014, 01:24:10 AM

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crkrueger

#15
August 01, 2014, 03:33:02 PM
Quote from: Warthur;774468I swear, you guys see "new edition" and immediately go into a D&D4/WFRP3 panic. Can't wait for the full rules to come out so we can have this discussion all over again with added facts.

I swear, you guys see "new edition" with a narrative mechanic and immediately go into a BFF swoon. Can't wait for the full rules to come out so we can have this discussion all over again to watch the dissembling dance about the facts of what the mechanics actually do.  ;)
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AmazingOnionMan

#16
August 01, 2014, 03:57:07 PM
I've been guilty of referring to CoC7 as a 5-wheeled Audi.
Judging from the quickstart (which I haven't played, only read), it seems like a decent game.
The rule-changes are relatively minor and are easily ignored if that is what you want. That said, I don't see much point in many of them, and they move CoC away from the Big Gold Book and core BRP which is ..questionable IMO.
And those percentile attributes are still an eyesore.

Géza Echs

#17
August 01, 2014, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: nharwell;774343I'm currently playing in a CoC game that started before the Quickstart rules were released, so we're (mostly) playing by 6th ed rules. But even as brief as they are, the QS rules have been useful - they are by far the CLEAREST version of CoC rules that I've ever seen and I've played CoC for years. I look forward to the final version...

That makes me very happy! The CoC rules have never been all that unclear, but I'm looking forward to a slightly streamlined version.

snooggums

#18
August 02, 2014, 11:45:05 AM
I've never played CoC before, so I have no reference for the criticism about edition changes.

I'm going to run the Quickstart sometime in the near future, but I was hanging off on buying the main book because of the new edition coming out. Since the release date is still a bit fuzzy, is the 6th edition they are still selling a solid edition that would be worth picking up at retail price?

Simlasa

#19
August 02, 2014, 12:55:28 PM Last Edit: August 02, 2014, 12:58:02 PM by Simlasa
Quote from: snooggums;774794Since the release date is still a bit fuzzy, is the 6th edition they are still selling a solid edition that would be worth picking up at retail price?
Yes!
I'm not sure what 7th will eventually be like... or how well it will mesh with what's gone before. I'll remain doubtful/skeptical till it's out and investigated.  
Right now 6th IS easily compatible with a MASSIVE amount of content stretching back to 1st edition. It's time-tested and NOT broken.

3rik

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August 02, 2014, 01:00:20 PM Last Edit: August 02, 2014, 01:03:46 PM by 3rik
Quote from: snooggums;774794I've never played CoC before, so I have no reference for the criticism about edition changes.

I'm going to run the Quickstart sometime in the near future, but I was hanging off on buying the main book because of the new edition coming out. Since the release date is still a bit fuzzy, is the 6th edition they are still selling a solid edition that would be worth picking up at retail price?
6E is perfectly serviceable but the organisation of the book is a bit of a mess and it's not particularly nice-looking. I see a lot of people on forums who prefer 5.6E for its tidier design/layout, though AFAIK the organisation is not much different from 6E, so you'll still be doing some extensive page flipping.
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Just Another Snake Cult

#21
August 02, 2014, 01:05:05 PM
What edition was the Games Workshop hardcover that came out in the 80's? Because that was about as close to perfect as an RPG can get. I never picked up any subsequent editions because I just didn't see how they could improve on it.
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#22
August 02, 2014, 01:12:40 PM
Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;774833What edition was the Games Workshop hardcover that came out in the 80's? Because that was about as close to perfect as an RPG can get. I never picked up any subsequent editions because I just didn't see how they could improve on it.

  I think that was 3rd. I kind of regret not buying the hardcover that sat on the shelves of a used bookstore for a while in the early 90s. I did grab 5th for a pittance (something like $6), though, and I've acquired the BGB for BRP purposes, and Realms, Trail, Shadows and d20 for Cthulhoid purposes. I think I'm set.

  And I don't even particularly like the Mythos. :)

Simlasa

#23
August 02, 2014, 01:42:03 PM Last Edit: August 02, 2014, 01:45:36 PM by Simlasa
Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;774833What edition was the Games Workshop hardcover that came out in the 80's? Because that was about as close to perfect as an RPG can get.
I think the GW hardback was 3rd as well.
GW hardbacks from that era had a nasty tendency toward bindings that self-destructed the first time you opened them. Mine are in good shape but I'm a bit of zealot when it comes to taking care of books.
Not that you end up needing to look at the CoC rulebook much during play anyway (compared to the original Rogue Trader... try finding a hardback of that still in one piece!)

Dimitrios

#24
August 02, 2014, 01:43:29 PM
My feelings are mixed. On the one hand, why mess with something that's stood the test of time for 33 years? On the other hand, as long as they don't break backwards compatibility, I won't mind if they tidy things up a bit.

On the third tentacle, there's been a recent trend of wrong headed "let's change everything just because we can! Huzza!" initiatives that haven't ended well, and Chaosium does have a bit of a history of jumping on bandwagons just as they are about to tip off the road into a ditch.

Just Another Snake Cult

#25
August 02, 2014, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: Simlasa;774865I think the GW hardback was 3rd as well.
GW hardbacks from that era had a nasty tendency toward bindings that self-destructed the first time you opened them.

My GW CoC has held up like iron after three decades.

Their edition of STORMBRINGER, however, fell to pieces if looked at harshly. Which is is a crying shame, because I remember it as being a beautiful, ahead-of-it's-time game in terms of presentation and graphics. The cover was just METAL as all fuck and popped out at you from across the room.
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3rik

#26
August 02, 2014, 03:38:42 PM
Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;774833What edition was the Games Workshop hardcover that came out in the 80's? Because that was about as close to perfect as an RPG can get. I never picked up any subsequent editions because I just didn't see how they could improve on it.
Did it have opposed skill rolls in it? Though I may have overlooked it, because stuff is not always easy to find in the book, 6E apparently doesn't, except for using parry or dodge in combat.

Was the organisation of 3E better than 6E? While it is true that CoC generally does not require much rules referring, the one time I wanted to check up on the RAW concerning the consequences of permanent POW loss through spell casting, it took quite some page flipping to find all the information related to the subject.
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jadrax

#27
August 02, 2014, 03:59:35 PM
Quote from: 3rik;774914Was the organisation of 3E better than 6E?

3e has no organisation and costs you 3d4 SAN ever time you look something up. On the other hand the second half of the book is every shred of support material they could find. It is truly marvelous.

3rik

#28
August 02, 2014, 04:05:54 PM
Quote from: jadrax;7749193e has no organisation and costs you 3d4 SAN ever time you look something up. On the other hand the second half of the book is every shred of support material they could find. It is truly marvelous.
I recently came across a second-hand copy of 4E and picked it up. While there's loads of fun stuff in it that's not in any other edition - or so I have been told - that too suffers from a lack of organisation. If there's one thing I expect 7E to improve upon it's this.
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snooggums

#29
August 03, 2014, 10:47:53 AM
My previous games involved a lot of investigation and stuff, but not mechanically supported by those games.

Does anyone think it would be better to spend money on some of the setting books for examples to use/adapt to 7th to spend the time getting a feel for overall play?

I get the themes and whatnot, so I'm wondering if the published adventures/campaigns/whatever they are called would be helpful for someone who hasn't really done an investigation themed game before.
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