Quote from: Phillip;860477See, what pisses people off this much isn't having all weapons do the same damage; it's that you're the kind of creature who wants to piss people off just to piss people off.

YOU are the one who decided to go all "attack gerbil" and use terms like "cast aside plausible incentives" and "absurdly irrational."

Somebody starts pulling attitude on me, yeah, I'm going to mock and taunt them publicly and openly.

Nobody's fault but your own, Cupcake.

BTW I'd say that tracking anything on the supply list that costs less than 25gp or so would be bean counting, relatively speaking, in a game with such low granularity that weapon types are only informally distinguished. Rations, bags, rope, 10' poles, torches, etc. (I seem to recall that a holy symbol is 25 gp, so that would be above the cutoff point.)

No, Gronan, how you act is your own responsibility; and as you yourself indicated, you know what you do. If you didn't like the attention, you would change your ways.

The "how absurdly irrational" question came after you were already up to your usual, and anyhow was/is not anything against you. You could have presented trade-offs that make sense, in which case the answer would be zero. You have expressed such contempt for those who might want such trade-offs that it is hard to take seriously the suggestion that you could be offended not to be counted one of those.

Quote from: aspiringlich;860408Try attacking from the second rank with daggers.

As a heavily armoured fighting man?  Why?  Also, I can throw them.  And where in a dungeon would I face a charging horse?  Not to mention that if I am, I'm not going to be facing it down anyway, because the lanceman on it's back would skewer me first anyway, better not be there in the first place.

The issue is that I (and have had players who) can rationalize away a lot of 'common sense' rules, by using 'common sense'.  It's things like this that just confuses me.  I think some differentiation is 'better', simply because making all weapons do the same damage, but different weights and other things, you will get people who will find the most efficient (or min-max, power game or some other pejorative for when a player proves to be a little more clever than the game is) way to get the most out of their choices.

But that's just me and my experience, Your Mileage May Vary.

Quote from: aspiringlich;860408Try attacking from the second rank with daggers.

Pole arms and spears in BX have no reach so there is no such thing as second rank melee in BX.

Daggers could though be thrown and as the groups usual magic user I carried a couple of daggers on me for throwing and carried the flasks of oil and lobbed those as needed once we had some.

Quote from: Phillip;860491No, Gronan, how you act is your own responsibility; and as you yourself indicated, you know what you do. If you didn't like the attention, you would change your ways.

The "how absurdly irrational" question came after you were already up to your usual, and anyhow was/is not anything against you. You could have presented trade-offs that make sense, in which case the answer would be zero. You have expressed such contempt for those who might want such trade-offs that it is hard to take seriously the suggestion that you could be offended not to be counted one of those.

No, Cupcake, you got all pissy because I don't CARE about the tradeoffs.  I don't have any such tradeoffs in my game, and nobody cares.  Other games may be different, but I DON'T CARE.  I was describing my game, and I have ABSOLUTELY NO OBLIGATION to "present trade-offs that make sense".  I was describing my game, as it is actually played.

I use OD&D just as wrote, 1d6 for all weapons and all, and nobody has ever complained.  It's irrelevant, at least to the people I play with.  Since you will in all likelihood never play with me, I am at a loss for why you got so bent out of shape by this.  If you don't like my posting style, ignore me.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;860493As a heavily armoured fighting man?  Why?

Your question is a non sequitur. The point I was making is that there are things you can't do with a dagger that can be done with other weapons, like striking from the second rank. So despite the fact that a dagger and a pole arm both do 1d6, you're still better off with a pole arm in certain combat circumstances.

QuoteAlso, I can throw them.

Into melee? Then you'll be doing it at a penalty, or not at all, depending on how the DM handles such things.

Quote from: aspiringlich;860503Into melee? Then you'll be doing it at a penalty, or not at all, depending on how the DM handles such things.

"If you throw one more fucking dagger into melee I'm going to kill you myself." -- fighter in my NYC OD&D group after the third melee turn in a row where the magic user threw a dagger into melee and hit the SAME fighter in a "friendly fire" incident.  The fighter took way more damage from three daggers thrown into his back then he did from the monsters!

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;860502If you don't like my posting style, ignore me.

Doc, you can take your own pee-scription.

Quote from: Phillip;860457I understand paying 10 gp for a sword, because it says, "I blew almost a year of a peasant's wages on this gewgaw." It's like an Apple iRonmongery.

Gotta wonder, though, who's making spears to sell for 1 gp when just the business end is a dagger selling for 3 times as much.

BX spear and dagger cost the same. 3gp. Dagger though weighs 3 encumberance while the spear is 30. Both can be thrown. But a spear has twice the range.

How about flaming oil? There's another thing that's not so awesome if it's just the same as everything else, compared with being (in BX) at least as good as a sword that's better than so much else.

I like it better as a way to discourage pursuit than as the go-to means of causing casualties, mainly (but not only) because I'm not so much into the "molotovs & sorcery" genre as a style thing.

Quote from: Arminius;860490BTW I'd say that tracking anything on the supply list that costs less than 25gp or so would be bean counting, relatively speaking, in a game with such low granularity that weapon types are only informally distinguished. Rations, bags, rope, 10' poles, torches, etc. (I seem to recall that a holy symbol is 25 gp, so that would be above the cutoff point.)

There are times where its important. and times where its not. Early game where gold is scarce its important and deciding do you want to fork out for this weapon that costs more but weighs less, or this one that costs less but weighs more? Do you want to pay in gold to look the part? Or are you content to look like a common street thug?

Later in the game you can just walk into a shop and list off what you buy and move on wham-bam because its now pocket change. The scale of cost counting can change in BX as you can end up starting to price boats and castles, or funding units of retainers or mercs.

Quote from: aspiringlich;860503Your question is a non sequitur. The point I was making is that there are things you can't do with a dagger that can be done with other weapons, like striking from the second rank. So despite the fact that a dagger and a pole arm both do 1d6, you're still better off with a pole arm in certain combat circumstances.

And a good team makes sure they don't have those circumstances.  I'm sorry, but having all weapons doing the same damage, but wildly varying 'other stats' is the opposite of 'common sense', which I'm surprised we have people actually believing that it really is 'common'...

Quote from: Omega;860510BX spear and dagger cost the same. 3gp. Dagger though weighs 3 encumberance while the spear is 30. Both can be thrown. But a spear has twice the range.

Not so bad. If memory serves, javelin is lighter than spear, same range, dagger damage?

Quote from: Phillip;860509Doc, you can take your own pee-scription.

Awww, imitation really is the sincerest form of flattery.