Quote from: McrowThis sure as hell isn't D&D RPG. In my book if it doesn't have a structured set of rules and some game pieces (dice, tokens, boards) it's not a game.

So... let's say tag game is not a game, do I read it correctly?

Well, let me answer your question.

Quote from: jrientsI could run a game like this.  I could set the game in a world of halflings and fireballs.  In my head the world could work like as close an approximation of D&D as I can muster.  But is it really Dungeons & Dragons?

No. That's not D&D.

Freeform may be cool for some people, but not for me. If there are no dice and no rules, I'm not interested.

Quote from: AlnagSo... let's say tag game is not a game, do I read it correctly?

I think tag is a game.  That seems obvious.

Quote from: AlnagThanx for the topic jrients, it really helps me open new questions for me.

Let's say I would be DM and pretend, that I use the D&D rules well enough, that the players would feel the same outcome as if I would actually use the rules. They would roll the dice a lot and I would describe them how the monster is wounded. Or I would pretend to roll the dice behind the screen and make up the amount of hit points they are wounded etc.

To put it simply, the outcome would be same but the method would be different. Is it D&D?

What your doing there is what I would consider a classic case of railroading. Especially the GM faking rolling dice. The dice being rolled and fudged so they dont matter. I mean in your story (or what ever you want to call it) they characters may beat the ogre. But what if the characters didnt roll worth a shit. What if a character died. In your diceless game its all hand waved. Its all pre-determined. Where with dice random chance truely rules the day. Sure better stats etc help to over come obstacles. The different choices to you make. can aklter things. But in the end its chance. With the story game you are removing that. You are eliminating chance. You might as well just sit down and tell me a story if thats your goal. Because thats what your doing.

Yeah - no dice , then it SUCKS.

 I'm kidding....maybe

- Ed C.

Quote from: KoltarYeah - no dice , then it SUCKS.

 I'm kidding....maybe

- Ed C.

Nope you couldnt be more right Koltar.  But just opinion. Your mileage may very.

Quote from: AlnagSo... let's say tag game is not a game, do I read it correctly?

Well, no, not in in the frame work of "gaming".

slow workday, guys?

Quote from: Aosslow workday, guys?

Pretty much. (at least for me.)

Quote from: McrowThis sure as hell isn't D&D RPG. In my book if it doesn't have a structured set of rules and some game pieces (dice, tokens, boards) it's not a game.

Quote from: McrowWell, no, not in in the frame work of "gaming".

Well, the problem is, as far as I know, tag game (and lot of other games) does not use any game pices. Which is connected with my other question. Remember - I do not do that - I am just trying to think it over.

Quote from: RoninWhat your doing there is what I would consider a classic case of railroading. Especially the GM faking rolling dice.

The question is... whether D&D game must contain dice (and other game pieces) or if D&D game can be produced diceless. Or to put it otherwise, what are the key elements which creates DnD game. Yes, it is not the way the game should probably be played. There is no doubt about it.

But my main issue is, what constitutes D&D or any other game.
1) just rules (is SRD also D&D? What about d20 system?)
2) just setting, fluff, tone, problems (are D&D clones also D&D?; what about D&D novels?)
3) rules + its application (the dice question)
4) all of the above (otherwise is not a complete game...)

etc.

Games are the paradigmatic example of things where a rigid exhaustive definition cannot be given that includes all members of the set and excludes all non-members of the set.

So what makes a game D&D?  The setting or the rules?  IMHO, it's the setting (even if it is only an "implied" setting).  The rules contribute to the feel of the game, but you could shoe-horn a different system into the game and it would definitely still fee like the D&D I grew up playing.
 
So how is this much different?

Quote from: Aosslow workday, guys?

 I can't post from work.
Sometimes I browse - at most once a shift for like 10 minutes or less.
 Next 4 to 5 days I'll be a GenCon.

  But yeah   NO dice, then its not really an RPG.

- Ed C.

When I was a kid, I pretended I was Han Solo*.  I had no ship, no blaster and no Wookiee, but I pretended anyway.

Maybe the dude's pretending to play D&D?




*I did that last night, too, but the timing of the event in question is immaterial.

Quote from: KoltarYeah - no dice , then it SUCKS.

 I'm kidding....maybe

- Ed C.

I feel impelled to respect other people's styles, that is, if somebody has fun playing without dice and (I guess that's the case) without rules, more power to him, but in this case I find it very difficult.

No dice, no rules, then it sucks.