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Bugbears and Borderlands: a free “Basic” edition of 5E?

Started by weirdguy564, March 07, 2025, 02:22:31 PM

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weirdguy564

Ok.  B&B is free, first of all.

Bugbears and Borderlands page on Drivethru TPG

Its opening mission statement is that the author felt there was never a proper basic edition of 5E like there was for old school Moldvay/Cook basic vs Advanced D&D from way back when.

So he wrote his own.

Interestingly, the game doesn't have you roll for stats.  It just gives you stat bonuses of +2, +2, +1, 0, 0, -1 and let's you assign them as you see fit. I actually like this. 

There are 8 races, but only 3 classes.  The cleric is omitted, but wizards have access to a couple healing spells.  The classes do have 5 or so specialties to pick from at level-1 (edit: wizards customize at level-4), so your fighter can be a duelist, while mine is an archer as an example. 

There is advantage/disadvantage, as well as a Proficiency Bonus (found in the XP chart going from +2 to +4).

Level cap is 10. 1st level PC's get max HP for their Hit Die type, aka 1st level Fighters have 10HP, Rogues (Experts) have 8, and Wizards start with 6HP.

Spell casting is Vancian slots, and there are 12 or so cantrips as well.

Also included is a bestiary of enemies and monsters.

Anytime a new free game comes up I'll post about it if I feel it's good enough.  This is one that qualifies.  It's not a favorite of mine, but it's good enough.
I'm glad for you if you like the top selling game of the genre.  Me, I like the road less travelled, and will be the player asking we try a game you've never heard of.

RNGm

Thanks and I appreciate the heads up.  Sounds like the author might have similar tastes as I do since I'm doing some similar things with my own very early WIP heartbreaker (though I prefer the term "goldilocks" ruleset more as it seems more apt in my case, lol!).


finarvyn

Thanks for the link. Checking it out now. :)

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EDIT: This actually looks a lot better than I anticipated. Now I'm actually considering dropping the $20 for a print copy.
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weirdguy564

#4
Yeah, I posted because the forum here mentioned the new version of D&D a few times lately.  Granted, it was done mostly to mock it, and I'm fine with that. Then I remembered this game in my PDF collection. 

It looks really good.  I'm a fan of those three big changes the guy made.

1.  You 3-18 Stats don't matter.  In this game they just don't exist.  Your modifier does.  The modifier IS the stat.  Write just the modifier down. 

2.  1st level is squishy for OSR games, and I'm not a fan.  B&B does what I like and gives them max HP at level-1, and you only roll more HP for levels 2-10. 

3.  Customization at level-1.  This game has it. I'm a big fan of this.

I do wish the weapons and armor had more traits, but what this game has is fine.  They do have three types of damage, and finesse weapons that use Dexterity is a thing.  I do think heavy armor should have negated adding dexterity to your armor class, but that's nitpicking. 

It really reminds me of AD&D 2nd edition with the white and text with blue text headers and chart borders.

Overall, I would definitely play this.  It rivals Olde Swords Reign for me. 

Truthfully, all of these D&D clones are all about the nitpicks and details.  They're just variations, but not anything new.
I'm glad for you if you like the top selling game of the genre.  Me, I like the road less travelled, and will be the player asking we try a game you've never heard of.

Man at Arms

Since WOTC seems to be intent upon ruining everything they have, these alternative games are attractive.

weirdguy564

#6
I noticed a detail I missed earlier.

The game does have clerics.  Sort of.  I'll explain.

At level-4 you can customize the wizard class.  You pick a Magical Bond.  Dragons, Devine, Fiend, Nature, Scholar, or Shadows.

If you pick Devine, then the benefit is medium armor, medium weapons, and extra damage when hitting undead monsters.

I'm glad for you if you like the top selling game of the genre.  Me, I like the road less travelled, and will be the player asking we try a game you've never heard of.

finarvyn

Interesting that you can customize Wizard at level 4. Seems a little high to me, since the game is designed to cap out at level 10. (If it was a 1-20 scaled game like AD&D or 5E then level 4 would be fine, but in a 1-10 scale game it seems like you spend a long time before you get to be a cleric.)
Marv / Finarvyn
Kingmaker of Amber
I'm pretty much responsible for the S&W WB rules.
Amber Diceless Player since 1993
OD&D Player since 1975

Crusader X

Quote from: weirdguy564 on March 07, 2025, 02:22:31 PMThere are 8 races, but only 3 classes.

I would rather have less races and more classes.  Humans, Elves, Half-Elves, Dwarves, and Halflings are fine.  Anything beyond that, I'm not too crazy about.

For a D&D 5e Basic set of rules, I've found that its hard to beat the actual D&D 5e Basic set of rules, which is a free PDF. 

The D&D 5e Essentials Kit rulebook, also free in PDF, is slightly different but very similar, and also very good.



weirdguy564

Quote from: finarvyn on March 09, 2025, 12:32:59 PMInteresting that you can customize Wizard at level 4. Seems a little high to me, since the game is designed to cap out at level 10. (If it was a 1-20 scaled game like AD&D or 5E then level 4 would be fine, but in a 1-10 scale game it seems like you spend a long time before you get to be a cleric.)

Yeah, I would think level-3 would be better.  If this is an intro to 5E, isn't level-3 when you pick a sub-class?
I'm glad for you if you like the top selling game of the genre.  Me, I like the road less travelled, and will be the player asking we try a game you've never heard of.

bat

Quote from: Crusader X on March 09, 2025, 02:32:26 PM
Quote from: weirdguy564 on March 07, 2025, 02:22:31 PMThere are 8 races, but only 3 classes.

I would rather have less races and more classes.  Humans, Elves, Half-Elves, Dwarves, and Halflings are fine.  Anything beyond that, I'm not too crazy about.


And gnomes, of course, unless you are some type of monster. Or against shorter races for some reason. :p
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