Quote from: Daedalus;390122Actually its when you tire of Palladium you move on to better games.  But then again no one who is a fan of Palladium's games is welcome in my group anyway, so if people want to play them they are free to do so.

They dont effect my hobby

Thats not really true. It is an opinion. One which you are more than entitled to. True looking at the system now a-days it would be nice to see the system evolve. Maybe not like D&D did. (Just MHO) But more like say GURPS.
But Kevins not really a dick. Ive met him in person, hes a nice guy. He is also very passionate about gaming. He is just a really shitty business man. But has enough of a following to get by. But I truely believe that, the fan base is shrinking. As hes not picking up the new followers. From between the lack of evolution of system, and the clearly dick business moves. This is shying away new business. I know more than a few people that have woken up and shyed away. That doesnt mean that the games are shit. But they are suffering from age and kevins horrible business practices. His fluff is the stuff of genius. If he could stop micro managing and evolve. We wouldnt be having this conversation right now. My ten cents anyways. (Go ahead give me 9 cents back. Ill under stand.)

Quote from: Daedalus;390122Actually its when you tire of Palladium you move on to better games.  But then again no one who is a fan of Palladium's games is welcome in my group anyway, so if people want to play them they are free to do so.

They dont effect my hobby

Dude it's your table and do whatever you want and all but seriously?  "But then again no one who is a fan of Palladium's games is welcome in my group anyway"

WTF?

I mean...if you're playing a D&D game and someone casually mentions before or after the game "Yeah, y'know I like RIFTS ok or maybe Palladium Fantasy" you'd kick them out?

Quote from: thedungeondelver;390160I mean...if you're playing a D&D game and someone casually mentions before or after the game "Yeah, y'know I like RIFTS ok or maybe Palladium Fantasy" you'd kick them out?

Apparently so, though he lets the poor schlub hear the reassuring sound of the shotgun chambering, before blasting out the heathens back window, just to reinforce his "don't come back here!" message...

Quote from: Daedalus;390122But then again no one who is a fan of Palladium's games is welcome in my group anyway, so if people want to play them they are free to do so.

My group consists of people with a vast range of interests in rulesets and genres; not all of them compatible.  Its considered the adult thing to be a good sport and play along when someone runs a game that normally isn't to your tastes; as some of the others likely do when you run your game.

When we talk to potential new players who refuse to play games X,Y, or Z, they don't get invited.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;390160Dude it's your table and do whatever you want and all but seriously?  "But then again no one who is a fan of Palladium's games is welcome in my group anyway"

WTF?

I mean...if you're playing a D&D game and someone casually mentions before or after the game "Yeah, y'know I like RIFTS ok or maybe Palladium Fantasy" you'd kick them out?

Yes, and I will explain why.  I have played with people who are Palladium Fans and they tend to not be very good gamers.  This hobby is supposed to be about having fun and playing with bad gamers is not fun.

I will give you a case in point of the most recent experience that has caused me to choose the "No Palladium Fans allowed rule":

I have a normal group that meets weekly.   One of the guys in the group (who is also my friend) was invited to a bi-weekly D&D game starting up that needed another player.  He asked me and I joined.

After playing the game for a couple of months I was not really having fun.  The GM and her boyfriend are big Palladium fans, I knew that from the begining and decided to give them a chance anyway.

The game was a disaster, the GM wasnt doing a good job (even my friend who is a D&D fan said so) doing things like pitting the players against two dragons while we were still at a very low level (level 2 or 3) and other things.

I was going to quit the group, but luckily the group split when two of the players who kept causing the game to be postponed (the last time it happened there was a gap of a month and a half between play) caused my friend and I to say "Screw it" and say it wasnt worth it.  The GM agreed and the group split.

Again, gaming is supposed to be fun and every experience I have had with Palladium gamers has been bad.  Their games tend to be low quality and truthfully, so do the people who play their games.

They are more then welcome to game, just not with me.

Quote from: Novastar;390203Apparently so, though he lets the poor schlub hear the reassuring sound of the shotgun chambering, before blasting out the heathens back window, just to reinforce his "don't come back here!" message...

No, I would just take the person aside and say "you are not welcome here so please don't come back".  If they wanted to know why I would tell them.

Quote from: Angry_Douchebag;390238My group consists of people with a vast range of interests in rulesets and genres; not all of them compatible.  Its considered the adult thing to be a good sport and play along when someone runs a game that normally isn't to your tastes; as some of the others likely do when you run your game.

This rule only applies to people who play Palladium's games.  Yes, I know you feel that we should accept everyone but I don't buy into that crap.  

If there is someone who we know has a playstyle that isn't fun and most likely will run the fun for others, why should I invite them into my group?

They can go play with their own kind.

Quote from: Angry_Douchebag;390238My group consists of people with a vast range of interests in rulesets and genres; not all of them compatible.  Its considered the adult thing to be a good sport and play along when someone runs a game that normally isn't to your tastes; as some of the others likely do when you run your game.

When we talk to potential new players who refuse to play games X,Y, or Z, they don't get invited.

I think this is as equally fucked up as "we will kick you out if you like Palladium games".  If you play a six month D&D campaign and switch to Exalted and two people decide the game, the setting and the rules aren't to their liking they can...shut the fuck up, sit there and take it or be forever banished?  Is that it?

Being a bad/wrong player for a group has nothing to do with being a Palladium/Rifts fan.
Sounds like the GM was shit, regardless of the system.

Did KS and Palladium get new players into RPGing? Maybe with their TMNT and Robotech licenses, but that's almost 20 years ago.

Quote from: Lawbag;390265Being a bad/wrong player for a group has nothing to do with being a Palladium/Rifts fan.
Sounds like the GM was shit, regardless of the system.

Has happened too often to be just a situation of a bad GM/Player.  Not worth it to me to take the risk so all Palladium fans are banned from groups I am in.

Otherwise, if I am going to take in anyone regardless of how shitty they are, they are going to ruin my fun.

Then why bother playing at all?

Its getting a little OT, but I'd not kick out a player or deny a player joining our group if they had played/enjoyed or were a fan of Palladium games. Here would be a chance to show them something better.

As a side note, we can't be too picky about players where I live...

I've kicked players for lots of reasons, but never on their gaming preference.

Quote from: Daedalus;390267Has happened too often to be just a situation of a bad GM/Player.  Not worth it to me to take the risk so all Palladium fans are banned from groups I am in.

Otherwise, if I am going to take in anyone regardless of how shitty they are, they are going to ruin my fun.

Then why bother playing at all?

Do you have like an application they have to fill out and there's a checkbox that says DO YOU LIKE PALLADIUM Y/N and if they tick "y" you never talk to them again or what?  I'm genuinely curious here.

Also your statistical methods are flawed, but to the first question first, please.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;390282Do you have like an application they have to fill out and there's a checkbox that says DO YOU LIKE PALLADIUM Y/N and if they tick "y" you never talk to them again or what?  I'm genuinely curious here.

No, if someone were going to join the group I would talk to them about their gaming preferences.  If they turn out to be a big fan of Palladium I simply would say "You wouldnt be a good fit for my group" and leave it at that.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;390282Also your statistical methods are flawed, but to the first question first, please.

What statistical methods are, in your opinion flawed?

Quote from: Lawbag;390268I'd not kick out a player or deny a player joining our group if they had played/enjoyed or were a fan of Palladium games. Here would be a chance to show them something better.

That is you.  For me, I get so little time to game I would rather spend it playing then rehabilitating.  When I spend more time doing that then actually playing is when I have to ask myself, would I get better value for my time playing an MMORPG?  All the fun without the wasted time of dealing with the other crap.

Quote from: Lawbag;390268As a side note, we can't be too picky about players where I live...

There arent a ton of gamers where I am too, but I am still picky.   Gamers who ruin my fun arent worth having.

Quote from: Lawbag;390268I've kicked players for lots of reasons, but never on their gaming preference.

For me, its the one exception, an its because their certain style of gaming preference will ruin my fun.  The hobby is supposed to be fun and its not worth having a bad player.

Quote from: Daedalus;390318No, if someone were going to join the group I would talk to them about their gaming preferences.  If they turn out to be a big fan of Palladium I simply would say "You wouldnt be a good fit for my group" and leave it at that.

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that "BIG FAN" is the emphasis here.

There's a difference between people who like Palladium games (for whatever strange reason) and the die hards, who are like fundie religious nuts.  I wouldn't want to associate with any of the latter either.