Quote from: Dr Rotwang!HERO?

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...you suckas are dead to me.

It's not as bad as it looks. Hero earned 23 negative points but had 55 points from the Best Game thread; after subtracting the Worst Game votes from the Best Game votes, that's a healthy score of 32, putting it at #19 (nestled between Shadowrun 4th Edition and Castles and Crusades). Not too shabby at all.

Quote from: WarthurLuke and Anakin in their respective trilogies both seem to suddenly become more powerful between films, as if they'd levelled up

....or Lucus went on a bender in Tijuana and dropped a little too much mescaline. :tired:

Tijuana take your mother to the gang bang, oh yes you do...
It's been a long time since she had a screw
When she was younger and in her prime
We used to gang bang all the time.

However you'll note that there is actually quite a bit of time between most of those movies.

P.S.  I didn't vote for it because I have never played it myself, only skimmed it.  But mostly though what've heard outside of the forum, and what I caught from skimmig it, matches what I saw in it. Ship-ship combat is lame (relatively minor) and the mechanics don't match the feel people are looking for from SW (the biggie).

WOO HOOO!!!!

Rifts wasn't DEAD LAST!!!

We're #3 (from bottom)!  We're #3 (from bottom)!

Seriously, you're all getting shanked with my vibro-knife, bitches.

I thought the Best and Worst / Most-Voted list was intersting.

Like some others, I'm surprised at the pounding GURPS took.

If you combine the scores for GURPS 3rd and GURPS 4th, GURPS ends up nudging Cyberpunk 2020 out of the top 10. The problem comes when *so many* people have raging bile specifically for GURPS 3rd ed.

I didn't experience GURPS until 4th Edition (and the hardback I bought was missing the first 20 or so pages - although, to be fair to SJG, when I emailed them about it, they sent me a replacement copy without any questions or even proof of purchase). Perhaps this should be spun off into a different thread...but what was so bad about 3rd?

- Q

Excellent work, Warthur, and interesting results.

I see I didn't stuff the ballot box hard enough for DC Heroes, although I did enjoy the Marvel SHRPG back in the way-back.

Quote from: QuireI didn't experience GURPS until 4th Edition (and the hardback I bought was missing the first 20 or so pages - although, to be fair to SJG, when I emailed them about it, they sent me a replacement copy without any questions or even proof of purchase). Perhaps this should be spun off into a different thread...but what was so bad about 3rd?

That's something I'd be interested to get opinions on. The general consensus seems to be "rules creep" - remember, towards the end of 3rd Edition you really needed to have GURPS Compendium 1 and 2 to use the material in some supplements. When a bunch of supplemental books suddenly become necessary to playing a game, it's time to update the core rules.

I agree that was a nuisance. But most of the complaints were about the system being "flavorless." I think I understand what that's about, but I've always felt that was a feature, rather than a flaw. It seems easy to bring whatever flavor to it you want. At any rate, both complaints together don't seem to be strong enough--to me--to warrant the last place finish. I also would be curious to hear a little more about the negatve pespective.

Quote from: Zachary The FirstWOO HOOO!!!!

Rifts wasn't DEAD LAST!!!

We're #3 (from bottom)!  We're #3 (from bottom)!

Seriously, you're all getting shanked with my vibro-knife, bitches.

Yeah, but FATAL was ranked higher than Rifts?  

WTH?

Quote from: QuireI didn't experience GURPS until 4th Edition (and the hardback I bought was missing the first 20 or so pages - although, to be fair to SJG, when I emailed them about it, they sent me a replacement copy without any questions or even proof of purchase). Perhaps this should be spun off into a different thread...but what was so bad about 3rd?

My own experiences with GURPS 3rd were that it was way too complex for a system that was generally very bland.  If I'm going to learn a complex system, it had better be for a really flavoursome game.  I'm led to believe that this is as much a GM issue as anything else... but that doesn't change my experience.
 
I find GURPS 4th to be almost as bland as 3rd, but it has the benefit of being more streamlined (which, I guess, you should expect in a newer edition).

Wouldn't the "bottom 10 RPGs of theRPGsite" actually be the ones that no one has even brought up, either way?

RPGPundit

Quote from: Bramha_BullYeah, but FATAL was ranked higher than Rifts?
 
WTH?
 

It's those damned vaginal circumference mechanics, man.  Just can't compete with those.

Quote from: RPGPunditWouldn't the "bottom 10 RPGs of theRPGsite" actually be the ones that no one has even brought up, either way?

Surely those would be in the 'indifferent' category?

- Q

GURPS really went off the tracks when Space first edition came out.  Second editon Basic Set was just first edition with covers on the books if you were wondering and came out a couple years before Space IRRC.

Space changed the armour scale.  Oh they never said so, but in autoduel, heavy body armour was around DR 15 and in Space it was around DR 40 (I'd have to look it up to be exact)  But the weapons were still roughly the same, with laser rifles doing a whoping 2d6 damage.  Cumulative laser autofire didn't show up in the rules until later.

Anyhow, then they did GURPS aliens where the price for claws that were equal to a shortsword cost as many points as being rich did, among other really oddball points things like the cost of tunneling at 5pts per metre per second.

I think High Tech was next, where rifle damage went from 1d6+2 to 5d6 magically without warning.  This was the first step to fixing the armour penetration problems, and Ultratech carried things the rest of the way (shortly after third if memory serves)

Then they did Supers which grandfathered in the prior mistakes and introduced a set of messy power rules that became the foundation for future power rules.

So third edition took this mess, grandfathered a great deal of it.  Changed the way ranged weapons worked from a fairly smooth and simple range increment to a chart that hands out very high penalties at short ranges and is with us to this day.  There was also the bonus to gun skill for IQ and various other oddness that got added in at this time.

So with third edition GURPS went from a very managable limited core game to a bloated, mess that didn't always make a lot of sense.  It also had the version of Autofire that tracked individual bullets which I swear wasn't the original rule from Autoduel.

It's strange, I've always thought that the old racial Strength multipliers used in Fantasy and Horse Clans would have served perfectly well in Supers.  The weapon damages did need some adjustment, originally rifles did 1d+2 and SMGs did 3d6 which was a bit of a mess.  But I think the SMG was a burst damage rating or something.

Vehicles and the nightmarish/brilliant level of detail also came along with third editon.  As did Compendium I &  II which made it even scarier.

Naturally, with less access to information and difficulty getting products in here in Southern Alberta, some of the sequence of events might be off.  But I got GURPS first edition before Fantasy was printed.  So I've been around for most of it.