Come on has no one got the courage....

the bigest Villain is Gary Gygax....

I didn't even think of him. He has been meaningless for decades.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;398800I would also include rpg.net as villains, but what more can i say about that site, particularly the attitude of its moderators, that hasn't alreay been said. I don't think i've ever met such a temperamental and hypocritical group of people online. I don't like to communicate the way they do, especially online. The discussion is limited, fragile and oppressive. I just do not understand why they feel the need to ban people every time - and then, when someone questions a mdo decision, to get picked apart by vultures who seem to lack the wit to see the hypocrisy of their position. It's so very sad.

Yeah, the vultures who lurk on Trouble Tickets and pick over the remnants of modded threads on rpg.net are even worse. They are the worst, most brown-nosing, low-life scum of the earth, who exist only to point and sneer at the weak, while waiting for the mods to shit into their mouths so they can swallow it and think of themselves as somehow blessed. They give the hobby such a bad name; the only saving grace is that at least they're barely visible online and so obviously pathetic that it's tough to imagine them even leaving the house long enough to put anybody else off role playing.

Quote from: J Arcane;398806If my honest word, and that of countless others isn't enough for you, then I'm equally honest in saying I don't really care to do the work of your education for you.  Just don't be surprised when people call you an idiot for denying shit they've seen with their own two eyes a thousand times.

Count me as another pair of eyes Shaz. I guess you don't have to take any of our word for it, but I assure you as a former RPGnetter (1998-2006), there were definite periods of time during the early and mid oughties were you could easy scan their general RPG chat board and find normally ordinary threads that were derailed or closed because Forge-Fans showed up and tried to dominate the conversation in their own language.

Was it conspiracy? No. But it was a very distinct and interesting form of fans finding a new way to spoil their own fun.

Quote from: Saphim;398813It has to be true, otherwise J Arcane would have made his tinfoil hat for nothing.

Seriously, as soon as you use the word invsion for people with different opinions on a forum you need to step away from the keyboard as you are taking it way too seriously.

Then I'm a tin-hat wearer too, cuz I also have been around for this shit.

Quote from: Aos;398792Not to condone the stunt, but my understanding is that the module is actually pretty solid, and the use of the Jeff Easily (sp?) art is legit too.

The use of the Easley art seems legit, as far as I can tell. As for the quality of the module, no module using this kind of publicity stunt to sell more units can be that good. Or at least, it doesn't speak highly of the publisher's confidence in its own content.

Quote from: J Arcane;398795Still, it's an honest to god published hentai game, which probably never would've existed outside Japan if not for their influence.

Is it really, though?  I've never read the game itself, but everything else I've ever read anywhere just indicated it was a comedy harem game. Which, considering most harem comedies are PG and rarely involve any actual sexual activity, doesn't seem too bad to me.

Every publisher who fucks over writers, editors and artists. You are cheating people out of their living; you're scum.

Every thieving SOB who's ever destroyed (or threatened to destroy) a game company. Decipher, Guardians of Order, Palladium, Catalyst. You belong in jail.

Every unhygienic, socially inept gamer who contributes to a negative image of our hobby. Take a shower for pity's sake.

And of course, the idiots who write drivel like FATAL and RaHoWa. The world would be a better place without the likes of you.

Quote from: Claudius;398791Basically yes, few RPG forums have been free from forgies.

How true.

The SJG Forums seemed a pretty safe harbor from Forge stuff - until recently. A new poster in the past few months innocently starts a thread and he wants to shake up his GURPS game by adding 'Indie' and FORGE-speak terminology.

manyt of us had to convionce that he was adding complication to a game whose detractors already call complicated. Also, that the supposed thoings he wanted to add - were already doable in simpler ways while still keeping the game as a traditional RPG.

The poor guy probably read one too many internet articles then stumbled across the FORGE site.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Shazbot79;398613I don't think that Ron Edwards or pundit have that kind of exposure or influence.

Certainly, I'm the only one of my gaming group who "knows" (i.e., even knows of) either name/identity. And even that is only because I've hit upon random shit on random sites at random times. What're the odds, hey?

Anecdotal evidence for the win. Woo!

Quote from: Sigmund;398830Then I'm a tin-hat wearer too, cuz I also have been around for this shit.

I never said that J was the only one on here who needs to step away from the keyboard.

"Board invasion" is a perfectly common term in Internet circles, and refers to any large group of people showing up en masse on a site to dominate or disrupt the conversation.  4chan and Something Awful are particularly frequent practitioners, and obvious ones of course, but smaller scale incidents do occur (Animalball attempted it here many times but their numbers were too pathetic to have much impact) and are part of the things one must deal with as a moderator of a forum.  IIRC, RPGnet actually used to have rules against it's members engaging in such behavior, I recall moderator intervention occuring in a thread or two discouraging users from showing up en masse on some site or another and winding up starting a cross-forum conflict.

That you would choose deny the existence of such behaviors says more about your determination to find the most uncharitable and trollish interpretation of language than it does about my sense of perspective.

Quote from: J Arcane;398925That you would choose deny the existence of such behaviors says more about your determination to find the most uncharitable and trollish interpretation of language than it does about my sense of perspective.

Get a grip. You are acting like a 5 year old.

Quote from: Saphim;398942Get a grip. You are acting like a 5 year old.

The only one I see demonstrating a total lack of maturity in this thread is you.

If you've an intelligent point to offer, feel free, but so far you've offered nothing but whining and childish insults.

Grow the fuck up.

Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;398626RPG.net

The culture there is consumeristic, derivative, shallow and focused on high concept games that are unplayable. The "What System for [Ephemeral Pop Trend]?" threads are paradigmatic of this problem.

And the few that are "genuinely" interested in a suggestion follow up with all manner of bullshit excuses to argue why it wouldn't work.  For a non-game example, some fucking douche-tard over there wanted suggestions for PDF creation software, then dismissed the proffered solutions because they didn't "install as a printer", whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean, so they could create pdfs from other software, and didn't want to do layout in a word processor.  Of course, I suggested the open source Scribus, which is specifically for pdf layouts.  I assume what they really meant was that they wanted to screen dump whatever shit was stuck to their display at the moment as a pdf, and pretend that was 'designing'.

I was sorely tempted to get a list of the 65million different shitty printer drivers for making PDFs from lmgtfy.com, but I don't want to deal with the hassle of the mod-queens bitching at me.