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As the tin says, this is to remind/promote to gamers/developers/publishers that there is an alternative to DTTRPG that's not politically aligned.

We cry, complain and bellyache that DTTRPG censors along politcal lines and bends the knee to the woke, yet, is ANY of the known developers/publishers here selling there? Why the fuck not?

Leaving the link to it below:

https://biggeekemporium.com/ (https://biggeekemporium.com/)

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 02:07:15 PM
As the tin says, this is to remind/promote to gamers/developers/publishers that there is an alternative to DTTRPG that's not politically aligned.

We cry, complain and bellyache that DTTRPG censors along politcal lines and bends the knee to the woke, yet, is ANY of the known developers/publishers here selling there? Why the fuck not?

Leaving the link to it below:

https://biggeekemporium.com/ (https://biggeekemporium.com/)

I noticed the monthly Basic Expert Zine, is listed there.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 02:07:15 PM
We cry, complain and bellyache that DTTRPG censors along politcal lines and bends the knee to the woke, yet, is ANY of the known developers/publishers here selling there? Why the fuck not?

Well, I'm not a publisher, but... My first two thoughts would "because nobody knows about it" (first I've heard of it, anyways) and "the site's UI is atrocious".

No idea what the interface is like publisher-side.

Quote from: Bruwulf on February 02, 2023, 02:55:47 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 02:07:15 PM
We cry, complain and bellyache that DTTRPG censors along politcal lines and bends the knee to the woke, yet, is ANY of the known developers/publishers here selling there? Why the fuck not?

Well, I'm not a publisher, but... My first two thoughts would "because nobody knows about it" (first I've heard of it, anyways) and "the site's UI is atrocious".

No idea what the interface is like publisher-side.

I asure you some publishers/developers here know about it but aren't there.

"because nobody knows about it" well now you know.

"the site's UI is atrocious" Is that more important than the free speech principle?

If it's painful to find items on it, most people won't touch it.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 03:01:18 PM
"the site's UI is atrocious" Is that more important than the free speech principle?

"I'm giving away FREE dogshit sandwiches! What do you mean you don't want one?! IT'S FREE!"

The UI is pretty awful on BGE. While this shouldn't discourage anyone from uploading to the site, it does make it difficult to find/browse anything. For a lot of people, that's a turnoff.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 03:01:18 PM

Quote from: Bruwulf on February 02, 2023, 02:55:47 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 02:07:15 PM
We cry, complain and bellyache that DTTRPG censors along politcal lines and bends the knee to the woke, yet, is ANY of the known developers/publishers here selling there? Why the fuck not?

Well, I'm not a publisher, but... My first two thoughts would "because nobody knows about it" (first I've heard of it, anyways) and "the site's UI is atrocious".

No idea what the interface is like publisher-side.

I asure you some publishers/developers here know about it but aren't there.

"because nobody knows about it" well now you know.

"the site's UI is atrocious" Is that more important than the free speech principle?

You presume its one or the other when there's also "neither."

Its the same reason (barring exceptions like "The Chosen" where those involved actually applied the actual principles of dramatic writing and had good actors and production values) that no one really watches Christian entertainment; most of it is just BAD! Badly written, badly acted, badly filmed. If you are prone to second-hand embarrassment, it will almost invariably trigger it. Zeal without talent is worse than nothing at all.

If you're going to do something, take the time to do it well. There is a need for free speech in the marketplace of ideas. That doesn't mean you have run to the first badly assembled, not really anything I'd be interested in buying website that calls itself a Free Speech site. Zeal without talent is worse than nothing at all.

ETA: Page Two of an unfiltered search is also NSFW. That's going to be another big turn off.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 02:07:15 PM
As the tin says, this is to remind/promote to gamers/developers/publishers that there is an alternative to DTTRPG that's not politically aligned.

We cry, complain and bellyache that DTTRPG censors along politcal lines and bends the knee to the woke, yet, is ANY of the known developers/publishers here selling there? Why the fuck not?

Leaving the link to it below:

https://biggeekemporium.com/ (https://biggeekemporium.com/)

Neato! Great find.

I will certainly keep them in mind when I'm shopping around.

As for UI, who cares at this point? They just started up, and refining a design takes time. It's also a trap startups fall into. Don't worry about refining UI until you have data on how people use your site.  Cart, horse, etc.

Right now I'm sure their priority is getting a more products listed. If they can do that successfully, refinements will follow.

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 02, 2023, 03:41:22 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 03:01:18 PM

Quote from: Bruwulf on February 02, 2023, 02:55:47 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 02:07:15 PM
We cry, complain and bellyache that DTTRPG censors along politcal lines and bends the knee to the woke, yet, is ANY of the known developers/publishers here selling there? Why the fuck not?

Well, I'm not a publisher, but... My first two thoughts would "because nobody knows about it" (first I've heard of it, anyways) and "the site's UI is atrocious".

No idea what the interface is like publisher-side.

I asure you some publishers/developers here know about it but aren't there.

"because nobody knows about it" well now you know.

"the site's UI is atrocious" Is that more important than the free speech principle?

You presume its one or the other when there's also "neither."

Its the same reason (barring exceptions like "The Chosen" where those involved actually applied the actual principles of dramatic writing and had good actors and production values) that no one really watches Christian entertainment; most of it is just BAD! Badly written, badly acted, badly filmed. If you are prone to second-hand embarrassment, it will almost invariably trigger it. Zeal without talent is worse than nothing at all.

If you're going to do something, take the time to do it well. There is a need for free speech in the marketplace of ideas. That doesn't mean you have run to the first badly assembled, not really anything I'd be interested in buying website that calls itself a Free Speech site. Zeal without talent is worse than nothing at all.

ETA: Page Two of an unfiltered search is also NSFW. That's going to be another big turn off.

I'm not the owner of the site.

Fine, you keep on licking the corporate/woke boot, IDGAFF.

I plan on putting a few products on BGE, but I haven't gotten around to doing so yet.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 03:49:37 PM
Fine, you keep on licking the corporate/woke boot, IDGAFF.

Again, you presume the answer is one (DTRPG) or the other (BGE) when NEITHER is also an option.

I prefer to order through my local game store when I actually buy something.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 03:01:18 PM
I asure you some publishers/developers here know about it but aren't there.

"because nobody knows about it" well now you know.

"the site's UI is atrocious" Is that more important than the free speech principle?

First, you or I, we don't matter. We're not enough to matter. Hell, the entire population of this forum probably isn't enough to matter, except to very small publishers. It's the hellish catch-22 of trying to start up something like this - you need a user base and a publisher base, and both need the other to really make it work. Publishers won't bother selling if there is no market, and you won't have a market unless there are publishers selling product people want to buy.

Second, is the UI more important than the principles driving the website? Bluntly, yes. If I can't find stuff on the site without frustration, I'm going to give up in frustration. I don't need anything on that website. It's not like grocery shopping, where I've gotta hold my nose and do it, buying some new gaming PDFs? Purely a luxury.

It's no different than went wokeists try to do their alternative "totally-not-capitalism-guys-trust-us-but-buy-our-shit" businesses and they have all sorts of problems as a result of being fucking braindead wokeists. Running a business is hard, but you gotta do it right, or you will, like the majority of small businesses, fail. Ideology will only carry you so far.

Flippin' hell, I'm not saying I want them to fail. You come here, you ask why people aren't using it, I offer a couple of quick suggestions, and you respond with derision ("It's not important!") and outright hostility (Accusing people of being bootlickers for not using your preferred storefront). Don't ask the question next time.

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 02, 2023, 03:41:22 PM
Its the same reason (barring exceptions like "The Chosen" where those involved actually applied the actual principles of dramatic writing and had good actors and production values) that no one really watches Christian entertainment; most of it is just BAD! Badly written, badly acted, badly filmed. If you are prone to second-hand embarrassment, it will almost invariably trigger it. Zeal without talent is worse than nothing at all.

"Can't you see you're not making Christianity better, you're just making Rock-and-Roll worse?"

-Hank Hill, modern day prophet.

Quote from: Bruwulf on February 02, 2023, 04:29:27 PM
"Can't you see you're not making Christianity better, you're just making Rock-and-Roll worse?"

-Hank Hill, modern day prophet.

The problem with both Big Geek Emporium and the majority of Christian entertainment is they're more interested in pushing The Message than the actual quality of the service offered.

"Free Speech! Did you know we support Free Speech? Because we make sure to mention it on every page! Who cares if you can't actually find anything on the site because we're for Free Speech!"

In this sense they're basically just another flavor of the Woke... push The Message over delivering a well crafted product... equality extremist, just pushing from the opposite direction.

The reason Top Gun: Maverick made ALL the money last year wasn't that it was some anti-Woke screed. It was just a good story that was crafted really well and put telling that story ahead of everything else.

If you're going to put up a site to sell RPGs then the first priority needs to be on delivering on the ability to easily search for and buy RPGs. Do that well and you'll get more people actually selling their products there than just fellow ideologues and those selling products they literally can't sell anywhere else (again, page two above the fold is some book with a masked woman with her breasts bared... so not someplace I can send my pre-teen godkids or their parents to look for game books).

Right now it feels like a site that's just pushing "aren't we so edgy" a little too hard.

It's a good start, but needs more work before it's ready for prime time.

Of course, it needs a plan to draw a crowd of buyers. Word of mouth isn't enough. It certainly needs to become aggressive on social media to capture mindspace.

I see Venger is posting some goodies there:
https://biggeekemporium.com/product/the-good-symaarian/ (https://biggeekemporium.com/product/the-good-symaarian/)

But Geeky is right. We can't bitch about DriveTard and not step up to help Big Geek Emporium before it becomes "perfect".

My plate is filled for the next few weeks, but before June, I will make the effort to post some content on BGE, even if its just a free download adventure thingie.

I guess I have low standards, because it doesn't look that bad to me!  The 1980s high school and Blaxploitation games look like something I'd be interested in.

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 02, 2023, 04:59:51 PM

Quote from: Bruwulf on February 02, 2023, 04:29:27 PM
"Can't you see you're not making Christianity better, you're just making Rock-and-Roll worse?"

-Hank Hill, modern day prophet.

The problem with both Big Geek Emporium and the majority of Christian entertainment is they're more interested in pushing The Message than the actual quality of the service offered.

"Free Speech! Did you know we support Free Speech? Because we make sure to mention it on every page! Who cares if you can't actually find anything on the site because we're for Free Speech!"

In this sense they're basically just another flavor of the Woke... push The Message over delivering a well crafted product... equality extremist, just pushing from the opposite direction.

The reason Top Gun: Maverick made ALL the money last year wasn't that it was some anti-Woke screed. It was just a good story that was crafted really well and put telling that story ahead of everything else.

If you're going to put up a site to sell RPGs then the first priority needs to be on delivering on the ability to easily search for and buy RPGs. Do that well and you'll get more people actually selling their products there than just fellow ideologues and those selling products they literally can't sell anywhere else (again, page two above the fold is some book with a masked woman with her breasts bared... so not someplace I can send my pre-teen godkids or their parents to look for game books).

Right now it feels like a site that's just pushing "aren't we so edgy" a little too hard.

Yes, "being for free speech is the same as being a woke"...

Minors shouldn't be in the internet.

Because DTTRPG doesn't have those things in the first page sometimes and doesn't recommend you thirsty sword lesbians and pro abortion shit.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 06:56:33 PM
Yes, "being for free speech is the same as being a woke"...

Nobody said that. It was pointed out that ideology is not, on it's own, a viable business model no matter what ideology it is.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 06:56:33 PMBecause DTTRPG doesn't have those things in the first page sometimes and doesn't recommend you thirsty sword lesbians and pro abortion shit.

Because another site, has a different problem, is not a defense.

Quote from: Bruwulf on February 02, 2023, 07:08:37 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 06:56:33 PM
Yes, "being for free speech is the same as being a woke"...

Nobody said that. It was pointed out that ideology is not, on it's own, a viable business model no matter what ideology it is.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 06:56:33 PMBecause DTTRPG doesn't have those things in the first page sometimes and doesn't recommend you thirsty sword lesbians and pro abortion shit.

Because another site, has a different problem, is not a defense.

Except Chris did, guess that's why you cut the quote to not show what HE said huh?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 06:56:33 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 02, 2023, 04:59:51 PM

Quote from: Bruwulf on February 02, 2023, 04:29:27 PM
"Can't you see you're not making Christianity better, you're just making Rock-and-Roll worse?"

-Hank Hill, modern day prophet.

The problem with both Big Geek Emporium and the majority of Christian entertainment is they're more interested in pushing The Message than the actual quality of the service offered.

"Free Speech! Did you know we support Free Speech? Because we make sure to mention it on every page! Who cares if you can't actually find anything on the site because we're for Free Speech!"

In this sense they're basically just another flavor of the Woke... push The Message over delivering a well crafted product... equality extremist, just pushing from the opposite direction.

The reason Top Gun: Maverick made ALL the money last year wasn't that it was some anti-Woke screed. It was just a good story that was crafted really well and put telling that story ahead of everything else.

If you're going to put up a site to sell RPGs then the first priority needs to be on delivering on the ability to easily search for and buy RPGs. Do that well and you'll get more people actually selling their products there than just fellow ideologues and those selling products they literally can't sell anywhere else (again, page two above the fold is some book with a masked woman with her breasts bared... so not someplace I can send my pre-teen godkids or their parents to look for game books).

Right now it feels like a site that's just pushing "aren't we so edgy" a little too hard.

Yes, "being for free speech is the same as being a woke"...

Minors shouldn't be in the internet.

Because DTTRPG doesn't have those things in the first page sometimes and doesn't recommend you thirsty sword lesbians and pro abortion shit.

I hope that putting it in bold huge letters helps you not miss it this time.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 07:22:08 PM
I hope that putting it in bold huge letters helps you not miss it this time.

No, you strangely hyper-aggressive illiterate.

"Being for free speech is the same as being a woke" does not equate to "In this sense they're basically just another flavor of the Woke... push The Message over delivering a well crafted product... equality extremist, just pushing from the opposite direction." Let me make it more clear.

"In this sense they're basically just another flavor of the Woke... push The Message over delivering a well crafted product... equality extremist, just pushing from the opposite direction."

It's not "they are the same", its' "in this specific way, they are the same".

Randy and Joe are good people.  They run a fun podcast too. 

Big Geek Emporium is the only place to get my favorite RPG right now.  Dungeons and Delvers Dice Pool edition. 

https://biggeekemporium.com/product/dungeons-delvers-dice-pool/ (https://biggeekemporium.com/product/dungeons-delvers-dice-pool/)

A bit rules lite, but it fixes a lot of what I don't want in a D&D style game.  Simple to play, characters that fit on an index card, low hit points that don't increase thru the stratosphere, warriors who are just as detailed as wizards, and all in one book.

I've got a few things on there. In fact, I just put my first module for Castles & Crusades up yesterday. If y'all want to check it out I made a discount code good through this month; just use "therpgsite" at checkout for 25% off.

https://biggeekemporium.com/product/mecc1-the-valley-of-karaccia/

Here's a review of the BECMI version of this: https://princeofnothingblogs.wordpress.com/2021/09/09/no-artpunk-entry-7-the-valley-of-karaccia/

The C&C version is expanded (it merges another BECMI module in the same setting, RC2, into RC1, trims the fat and cleans it up a bit). Should get a party of 4-6 PCs up to around level 3ish by the end. It was about 5 months of gaming for my group who ran it, playing every other week for a few hours. Not a bad deal, I'd say.

Anyway, if you'd like to support the site (and a small-fries indie publisher), check it out.  8)

They're good dudes, and they have people of all faiths (or lack thereof) listing products on their site.  It's not some kind of niche Christian gaming thing like has been suggested earlier in this thread.  I mean hell, they have Venger Satanis publishing stuff on there.

They have a nice Discord server that ought to be getting more action, too.  C'mon over.  The water is nice.

Quote from: Lee on February 02, 2023, 11:29:35 PM
They're good dudes, and they have people of all faiths (or lack thereof) listing products on their site.  It's not some kind of niche Christian gaming thing like has been suggested earlier in this thread.  I mean hell, they have Venger Satanis publishing stuff on there.

They have a nice Discord server that ought to be getting more action, too.  C'mon over.  The water is nice.

Nobody said BGE is a Christian site. I think you misunderstood something there.

Quote from: Lee on February 02, 2023, 11:29:35 PM
They're good dudes, and they have people of all faiths (or lack thereof) listing products on their site.  It's not some kind of niche Christian gaming thing like has been suggested earlier in this thread.  I mean hell, they have Venger Satanis publishing stuff on there.

They have a nice Discord server that ought to be getting more action, too.  C'mon over.  The water is nice.

Once again, nobody said that.

Quote from: Mithgarthr on February 02, 2023, 11:22:18 PMIf y'all want to check it out I made a discount code good through this month; just use "therpgsite" at checkout for 25% off.

https://biggeekemporium.com/product/mecc1-the-valley-of-karaccia/

Here's a review of the BECMI version of this: https://princeofnothingblogs.wordpress.com/2021/09/09/no-artpunk-entry-7-the-valley-of-karaccia/

1) That review was detailed to the Nth degree. After reading a massive review, I realized I had only read 1/3rd of the review.

2) Your mini-campaign setting sounds awesome for any fans of B/X and I can see that same tone working great for C&C fans.

3) The comment section on that review felt like a mental ward got WiFi.

4) Giving this forum as shoutout with a discount is most excellent.

5) Is there a POD for the Valley of Karraccia on Amazon? If not, why?

The interface is dogshit. If I wanted a storefront that made it impossible to discover new games I would stick with Lulu.

As it is right now, it's only useful as a hosting platform that someone can link to from their website. You can't use it to see what kind of new game you would be interested in. There's no filter for core rules, supplements, adventures or anything like that.

Quote from: migo on February 03, 2023, 06:37:14 AM
The interface is dogshit. If I wanted a storefront that made it impossible to discover new games I would stick with Lulu.

As it is right now, it's only useful as a hosting platform that someone can link to from their website. You can't use it to see what kind of new game you would be interested in. There's no filter for core rules, supplements, adventures or anything like that.

Funny you should say that.  Randy and Joe, mostly Randy it sounds like, are re-working the interface as we speak.

Quote from: weirdguy564 on February 03, 2023, 06:53:08 AM
Funny you should say that.  Randy and Joe, mostly Randy it sounds like, are re-working the interface as we speak.

I mean, I'd say that sounds like good news, but I was under the impression that the UI wasn't important and caring about it made you a bootlicker, so now I'm all confused.

In all seriousness, though, it's good to hear, if true. And it's not like they really have a high hurdle to clear... As others mentioned, DTRPG's UI isn't exactly great, either. It shouldn't be too hard to do better than that.

Quote from: Spinachcat on February 03, 2023, 03:24:22 AM
1) That review was detailed to the Nth degree. After reading a massive review, I realized I had only read 1/3rd of the review.

LOL, yeah. Prince is generally like that, but as this was for a contest submission he was being extra pick-apart-y.

Quote from: Spinachcat on February 03, 2023, 03:24:22 AM
2) Your mini-campaign setting sounds awesome for any fans of B/X and I can see that same tone working great for C&C fans.

Thanks! You can check out the links for "Karaccia" and "Imlar" on www.Mithgarthr.com if you wanna read a bit more about it. Also extra points if you catch the shout-outs in some of the world names. :)

Quote from: Spinachcat on February 03, 2023, 03:24:22 AM
3) The comment section on that review felt like a mental ward got WiFi.

;D ;D ;D

Quote from: Spinachcat on February 03, 2023, 03:24:22 AM
4) Giving this forum as shoutout with a discount is most excellent.

I try to abide.

Quote from: Spinachcat on February 03, 2023, 03:24:22 AM
5) Is there a POD for the Valley of Karraccia on Amazon? If not, why?

I'm currently still under exclusivity with DriveThru. I contacted them last year about ending it, and they have a six month waiting period to end that contract. It's over on the 17th of this month. I have Lulu proofs on the way, and should get them right around that exact date. Assuming it looks good (and Lulu prints are easy as shit to set up and generally have great quality), I link those files to a listing on Big Geek, and it'll be available for print that way then.

As for Amazon, I've never looked in to doing POD through them... How's the setup, simple enough? Are they like DriveThru in that you have to do PDF/X-1a and CMYK? One of the things I dig about Lulu is that you can submit RGB PDFs and they print beautifully.

Anyway, if you're asking because you'd rather get it in print than PDF (which I totally understand), shoot me a PM and I'll send you the PDF to check out (as long as you promise to buy it in print even if you hate it, hahahaha).  8)

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 02, 2023, 04:59:51 PM
The problem with both Big Geek Emporium and the majority of Christian entertainment is they're more interested in pushing The Message than the actual quality of the service offered.

"Free Speech! Did you know we support Free Speech? Because we make sure to mention it on every page! Who cares if you can't actually find anything on the site because we're for Free Speech!"

In this sense they're basically just another flavor of the Woke... push The Message over delivering a well crafted product... equality extremist, just pushing from the opposite direction.

The reason Top Gun: Maverick made ALL the money last year wasn't that it was some anti-Woke screed. It was just a good story that was crafted really well and put telling that story ahead of everything else.

If you're going to put up a site to sell RPGs then the first priority needs to be on delivering on the ability to easily search for and buy RPGs. Do that well and you'll get more people actually selling their products there than just fellow ideologues and those selling products they literally can't sell anywhere else (again, page two above the fold is some book with a masked woman with her breasts bared... so not someplace I can send my pre-teen godkids or their parents to look for game books).

Right now it feels like a site that's just pushing "aren't we so edgy" a little too hard.

I have no idea hat you're talking about.  This isn't the 1980s.  Big Geek Emporium is a free-speech alternative, but there is a ton of variety, not just Christian material.  The products I made available on there are the result of hard work, research, immersing myself in the period culture, playing the game myself, avoiding Wikipedia, and proofreading from independent sources.  I think most of the creators are at least as dedicated as I am in putting out a product people WANT to play. 

And the religious right can't hold a candle to the level of extremism and drastic consequences as the religious left (toxic wokeism is a godless religion)

Quote from: Cathode Ray on February 03, 2023, 04:12:24 PMI have no idea hat you're talking about.

Yes, clearly. He wasn't saying they were "Christian entertainment", he was saying he felt that they had a similar problem to Christian entertainment, in that they held the message as more important than the product itself.

Quote from: LordBP on February 02, 2023, 03:29:22 PM
If it's painful to find items on it, most people won't touch it.

Not singling you out, because your comment isn't mean-spirited, but there's a lot of puitting down in the thread.

A lot of people are complaining about the interface, but if you have any suggestions on what can be done about it, send them to the webmaster, original poster.   I think that beats piling on with snide comments.

My suggestion is a good search feature, and offering content creators more categories (or to make their own custom ones)

Quote from: Bruwulf on February 03, 2023, 04:16:02 PM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on February 03, 2023, 04:12:24 PMI have no idea hat you're talking about.

Yes, clearly. He wasn't saying they were "Christian entertainment", he was saying he felt that they had a similar problem to Christian entertainment, in that they held the message as more important than the product itself.

Oh, okay.  I got it.  Well, like anything else in life, I'm sure Sturgeon's Law will creep in, but that's no different than any place.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on February 03, 2023, 04:19:14 PM

Quote from: LordBP on February 02, 2023, 03:29:22 PM
If it's painful to find items on it, most people won't touch it.

Not singling you out, because your comment isn't mean-spirited, but there's a lot of puitting down in the thread.

A lot of people are complaining about the interface, but if you have any suggestions on what can be done about it, send them to the webmaster, original poster.   I think that beats piling on with snide comments.

My suggestion is a good search feature, and offering content creators more categories (or to make their own custom ones)

I'm not affiliated with it. If anyone has any suggestions they should contact the site not me.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on February 03, 2023, 04:19:14 PM
Not singling you out, because your comment isn't mean-spirited, but there's a lot of puitting down in the thread.

A lot of people are complaining about the interface, but if you have any suggestions on what can be done about it, send them to the webmaster, original poster.   I think that beats piling on with snide comments.

My suggestion is a good search feature, and offering content creators more categories (or to make their own custom ones)

In a similar "not meaning to attack you or anything" spirit, the premise of the original post was asking why people weren't using the website. Isn't "the UI is bad" a valid response to that?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 03, 2023, 04:20:39 PM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on February 03, 2023, 04:19:14 PM

Quote from: LordBP on February 02, 2023, 03:29:22 PM
If it's painful to find items on it, most people won't touch it.

Not singling you out, because your comment isn't mean-spirited, but there's a lot of puitting down in the thread.

A lot of people are complaining about the interface, but if you have any suggestions on what can be done about it, send them to the webmaster, original poster.   I think that beats piling on with snide comments.

My suggestion is a good search feature, and offering content creators more categories (or to make their own custom ones)

I'm not affiliated with it. If anyone has any suggestions they should contact the site not me.

Sorry.  My fault!  I really thought it was you!  DO you know how to get to their Discord server?  I saw on the thread that the BGE founder has one.

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 03, 2023, 04:20:39 PM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on February 03, 2023, 04:19:14 PM

Quote from: LordBP on February 02, 2023, 03:29:22 PM
If it's painful to find items on it, most people won't touch it.

Not singling you out, because your comment isn't mean-spirited, but there's a lot of puitting down in the thread.

A lot of people are complaining about the interface, but if you have any suggestions on what can be done about it, send them to the webmaster, original poster.   I think that beats piling on with snide comments.

My suggestion is a good search feature, and offering content creators more categories (or to make their own custom ones)

I'm not affiliated with it. If anyone has any suggestions they should contact the site not me.

Sorry.  My fault!  I really thought it was you!  DO you know how to get to their Discord server?  I saw on the thread that the BGE founder has one.

No idea, but let me ask him on the twatter and I'll get back to you.

Edited to add this:

https://twitter.com/biggeekemporium/status/1621659695998984193 (https://twitter.com/biggeekemporium/status/1621659695998984193)

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 02:07:15 PM
As the tin says, this is to remind/promote to gamers/developers/publishers that there is an alternative to DTTRPG that's not politically aligned.

We cry, complain and bellyache that DTTRPG censors along politcal lines and bends the knee to the woke, yet, is ANY of the known developers/publishers here selling there? Why the fuck not?

Leaving the link to it below:

https://biggeekemporium.com/ (https://biggeekemporium.com/)

Thank you!

It's nice to see some diversification of platforms. Looks like biggeekemporium has added some new filters.

Which is something I spent time on for my Marketplace recently as well.

My central issue with Drivethru has always been primarily two-fold
   a) their exclusivity terms (they take a lower rate in if you are exclusive 30% vs 35% if you are not exclusive. Both feel very high.)
   b) no path to support or provide games to FLGS

The issue this board seems primarily concerned with is censorship, which is only really a concern because they have a pretty high market share without many clear alternatives. (Taking down games due to pressure from certain quarters.)

I've stated in the past that my marketplace will carry anything (legal). I do carry things that I personally find distasteful, or are simply more politically charged then I would prefer. An organization that sells other peoples work should be rather apolitical, and I would add that a persons activities outside of their actual writings in the actual games titles carried are irrelevant to me.
If these things bother a customer, then they shouldn't buy them. Removing something from being available that a publisher wishes to be available just isn't something we would do.

My main priority isn't the above though, it's having reasonable rates, providing a path to FLGS, and operating in Canada.

https://composedreamgames.com/marketplace/all (https://composedreamgames.com/marketplace/all)

I'm open to feedback!

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 02:07:15 PM
As the tin says, this is to remind/promote to gamers/developers/publishers that there is an alternative to DTTRPG that's not politically aligned.

We cry, complain and bellyache that DTTRPG censors along politcal lines and bends the knee to the woke, yet, is ANY of the known developers/publishers here selling there? Why the fuck not?

Leaving the link to it below:

https://biggeekemporium.com/ (https://biggeekemporium.com/)

Greetings!

Outstanding, Hermano! BGE definitely deserves promotion and support!

Provide more support, and I am sure they will grow and improve. As a small, new company, it is understandable that they have challenges and don't have all the bells and whistles that larger companies possess. Believing in their mission and supporting them is how *alternatives* are created. Promote, support, and get on board with BGE!

Good move, GeekyBugle, in posting this and promoting BGE!

I certainly appreciate the effort!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

My first submission for BigGeekEmporeum!

https://biggeekemporium.com/product/small-survivors-2nd-edition/ (https://biggeekemporium.com/product/small-survivors-2nd-edition/)

Thanks for the boost here Geeky Bugle!

I have read through this thread and get the criticisms.  Please respond with suggestions here or at the discord link provided above.  Someone mentioned filter terms, I will get on that today and see if I can add a few more.  The rub is it is up to the sellers to attach these to their individual products.  I will post in social media and announce on BGE the additional categories to help alleviate this.

More long-term, there is an improved site coming soon, but no ETA as of yet.  Categories are easy to implement, but I will defer larger changes to the devs working on the new UI.  That said, any suggestion I can implement, I will as long as it doesn't duplicate work the devs are already doing.

So hit me with suggestions, and I will see what I can do!

Joe

Quote from: migo on February 03, 2023, 06:37:14 AM
The interface is dogshit. If I wanted a storefront that made it impossible to discover new games I would stick with Lulu.

As it is right now, it's only useful as a hosting platform that someone can link to from their website. You can't use it to see what kind of new game you would be interested in. There's no filter for core rules, supplements, adventures or anything like that.

There is a "RPG Core Book" listing in the categories section of the filter.  Just scroll down.  I will add "Core Rules" as well.

Quote from: volcivar on February 04, 2023, 02:25:05 PM
So hit me with suggestions, and I will see what I can do!

It would be good to have a publisher page, like this on DTRPG: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/3482/Sine-Nomine-Publishing

At the moment, if I find a promising-looking product, I don't see how to find sister products or work out if the publisher has good feedback for other releases.

Quote from: Krazz on February 04, 2023, 03:53:39 PM

Quote from: volcivar on February 04, 2023, 02:25:05 PM
So hit me with suggestions, and I will see what I can do!

It would be good to have a publisher page, like this on DTRPG: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/3482/Sine-Nomine-Publishing

At the moment, if I find a promising-looking product, I don't see how to find sister products or work out if the publisher has good feedback for other releases.

To the right there's a filters option, you can filter by author.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 04, 2023, 04:10:31 PM

Quote from: Krazz on February 04, 2023, 03:53:39 PM

Quote from: volcivar on February 04, 2023, 02:25:05 PM
So hit me with suggestions, and I will see what I can do!

It would be good to have a publisher page, like this on DTRPG: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/3482/Sine-Nomine-Publishing

At the moment, if I find a promising-looking product, I don't see how to find sister products or work out if the publisher has good feedback for other releases.

To the right there's a filters option, you can filter by author.

Ah, OK, I've found that now, thanks, but only on the home screen. I've also found it on a product page - I clicked on Vendor Info, then there's a link next to Vendor which doesn't look like a link. Not to be confused with the Store Name, which is not a link. I'll change my request to making that easier to find from a product page.

Neat! It's nice to have some alternatives to DTRPG, Itch etc. And it has POD... this is promising.

Joe and Randy mentioned this thread this past week on their Tuesday podcast.  They're acknowledging their sites flaws.  They're not happy that they are being criticized, but are taking the feedback constructively.

Joe seems to be the main guy running the software part, so they're going to implement requests.  One specific one was to create more game categories. 

Looking at the performance, of alternative video sites for reference I am left to conclude that one must be able to run a viable business on top of a noble or righteous cause for the venture to be a business and not a charity.

A free speech bookstore is great, now can you please not suck as a bookstore so you will be around for years to come.