Big Study Proves Most Viewers of Youtube D&D Shows Treat it as a SHOW

Spinachcat · September 03, 2018, 01:12:17 PM

Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;1054995. Some years ago I came to the realization that I'm not a part of the mainstream RPG hobby, these days. I used to be, but the hobby has changed over time and now "my" part of it is a tiny sliver.

Welcome to the non-D&D part of the hobby!

If you're playing OSR games today, you're in no different position than those of us who played the Not-Major RPGs of the 80s/90s/00s.

In fact, for an OSR game, you probably STILL have an easier time getting players than if you GM'd a second or third tier RPG.

Fortunately, all it takes is some effort (not huge, but some effort) to find players interested in your Not-Major game du jour.

And PJ, I know you know this, so I'm mostly posting it for the lurkers.

S'mon · September 03, 2018, 02:10:27 PM

Quote from: JRT;1054981Well, there's no evidence that the rules for these games will change based on media viewing, any more than the rules for Football or Baseball changed because it became a huge spectator sport.

I thought the rules for American Football re time outs were affected by the demands of radio & TV scheduling?

S'mon · September 03, 2018, 02:15:52 PM

Quote from: Spinachcat;1054997B) WTF does that even mean???

Their advice included a statement that Protected Groups deserve to be represented in your game - as NPCs - regardless of who your players are. So your Vikings game had better include a black character or three, BBC style.

jeff37923 · September 03, 2018, 03:09:05 PM

Quote from: S'mon;1055003Their advice included a statement that Protected Groups deserve to be represented in your game - as NPCs - regardless of who your players are. So your Vikings game had better include a black character or three, BBC style.

Nothing bad on you S'mon, but I groan every time I see that. Just because a Protected Group is represented in your game does not mean that it isn't represented as a parody. Better off just ignoring the whole Affirmative Action Approach.

jeff37923 · September 03, 2018, 03:20:15 PM

For the industry, using Youtube to show off your game is just another advertising avenue. For the hobby, using Youtube to show off your game may actually turn potential players away from it.

Spinachcat · September 03, 2018, 04:49:48 PM

Quote from: S'mon;1055003Their advice included a statement that Protected Groups deserve to be represented in your game - as NPCs - regardless of who your players are. So your Vikings game had better include a black character or three, BBC style.

a) Please tell me you're kidding.

b) Did Paizo actually say "Protected Group" or anything akin to that?

c) Fuck Paizo.

S'mon · September 03, 2018, 05:06:28 PM

Quote from: Spinachcat;1055012b) Did Paizo actually say "Protected Group" or anything akin to that?

I'm not kidding. They didn't say Protected Group, they used different wording. I'm going by the quote given here.

S'mon · September 03, 2018, 05:15:06 PM

Quote from: S'mon;1055015I'm not kidding. They didn't say Protected Group, they used different wording. I'm going by the quote given here.

OK I downloaded the pdf and found the exact wording:

People of all identities and experiences have a right to be
represented in the game, even if they're not necessarily
playing at your table.

Sorry, they don't deserve to be represented, they have a RIGHT to be represented - ALL of them. :-O

S'mon · September 03, 2018, 05:17:27 PM

Page 6 of the PF2 Playtest document:

Gaming Is for All
Whether you're a player or a Game Master, participating
in a tabletop roleplaying game involves an inherent social
contract: everyone has gathered to have fun together,
and the table is a safe space for everyone. Everyone has
a right to play and enjoy Pathfinder regardless of their
age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, or any other
identities and life experiences. Pathfinder is for everyone,
and Pathfinder games should be as safe, inclusive, and fun
as possible for all.
Players
As a player, it is your responsibility to ensure that you are
not creating or contributing to an environment that makes
any other players feel uncomfortable or unwelcome,
particularly if those players are members of minority
or marginalized communities that haven't always been
welcome or represented in the larger gaming population.
Thus, it's important to consider your character concepts and
roleplaying style and avoid any approach that could cause
harm to another player. A character whose concept and
mannerisms are racist tropes, for example, is exceptionally
harmful and works against the goal of providing fun for
all. A roleplaying style in which a player or character is
constantly interrupting others or treating certain players
or characters with condescension is similarly unacceptable.
Furthermore, standards of respect don't vanish simply
because you're playing a character in a fantasy game.
For example, it's never acceptable to refer to another
person using an offensive term or a slur, and doing so
"in character" is just as bad as doing so directly. If your
character's concept requires you act this way, that's a good
sign your concept is harmful, and you have a responsibility
to change it. Sometimes, you might not realize that your
character concept or roleplaying style is making others
feel unwelcome at the gaming table. If another player
tells you that your character concept or roleplaying style
makes them uncomfortable, you shouldn't argue about
what they should or shouldn't find offensive or say that
what you're doing is common (and therefore okay) among
players or in other media. Instead, you should simply stop
and make sure the game is a fun experience for everyone.
After all, that's what gaming is about!
Game Masters
The role of Game Master comes with the responsibility of
ensuring that none of your players violate the game's social
contract, especially when playing in a public space. Be on
the lookout for behavior that's inappropriate, whether
intentional or inadvertent, and pay careful attention to
players' body language during gameplay. If you notice
a player becoming uncomfortable, you are empowered
to pause the game, take it in a new direction, privately
check in with your players during or after the session, or
take any other action you think is appropriate to move
the game toward a fun experience for everyone. That
said, you should never let players who are uncomfortable
with different identities or experiences derail your game.
People of all identities and experiences have a right to be
represented in the game, even if they're not necessarily
playing at your table.
Otherwise, if a player tells you they're uncomfortable
with something in the game, whether it's content you've
presented as the GM or another player's actions, listen
to them and take steps to ensure they can once again
have fun during your game. If you're preparing written
material and you find the description of a character or a
situation to be inappropriate, you are fully empowered
to change any details as you see fit to best suit your
players. Making sure the game is fun for everyone is your
biggest job!

mightybrain · September 03, 2018, 06:53:08 PM

Quote from: jeff37923;1054934Because when your character sheet looks like an IRS tax form (like the last three versions of D&D do), you might want to see an example in the hope that it will show you how to fill it out right.

Example character sheets are abundantly available outside of these shows, You even get half a dozen example pre-generated characters with the starter set. So that doesn't explain why so many viewers would be interested in the PC stats.

ponta1010 · September 03, 2018, 08:49:26 PM

Quote from: JRT;1054981Well, there's no evidence that the rules for these games will change based on media viewing, any more than the rules for Football or Baseball changed because it became a huge spectator sport.

Funny. This has been a hot topic this year in Australian Rules Football. Now I'm assuming that when you say football you're talking about gridiron (not soccer), so AFL may not count, but https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/channel-seven-ceo-calls-for-back-to-back-shoot-outs-to-increase-afls-falling-ratings-worner-tv-television/1eu5sxqiico2818zyk4up3zxv3

Spinachcat · September 04, 2018, 03:13:21 AM

Quote from: S'mon;1055016OK I downloaded the pdf and found the exact wording:

People of all identities and experiences have a right to be represented in the game, even if they're not necessarily playing at your table.

Sorry, they don't deserve to be represented, they have a RIGHT to be represented - ALL of them. :-O

S'mon, thank you and because I am a prankster myself, I double checked on the PDF and HOLY FUCK.

Part of me was hoping you were punking us.

Now, part of me wants to hope this is an amazing elaborate prank where Paizo goes full SJW retard to punk SJW retards because HOLY FUCK.

But its 2018 and going full retard is SJW baseline.

The RIGHT!!! The worthlesss fucks at Paizo think imaginary people who aren't at your table have RIGHTS to control YOUR game!!!

LMFAO. Fuck Paizo.

S'mon · September 04, 2018, 04:35:32 AM

Quote from: Spinachcat;1055039Now, part of me wants to hope this is an amazing elaborate prank where Paizo goes full SJW retard to punk SJW retards because HOLY FUCK.

But its 2018 and going full retard is SJW baseline.

I do wonder if the writer really considered the full enormity of his statement - that everyone on Earth (or at least everyone whose identity & experience counts as valid to Paizo) has a right to be represented in every Pathfinder game.

jeff37923 · September 04, 2018, 04:47:51 AM

Quote from: S'mon;1055041I do wonder if the writer really considered the full enormity of his statement - that everyone on Earth (or at least everyone whose identity & experience counts as valid to Paizo) has a right to be represented in every Pathfinder game.

You know, if that is open to litigation, then Paizo's most hated subculture group could theoretically demand representation in the Pathfinder game and sue them if they don't get it to their satisfaction.

Omega · September 04, 2018, 05:59:09 AM

Quote from: JRT;1054917A lot of people don't actually play Football or Basketball, but prefer to watch the big leagues play on TV or in stadiums.

If Video Games and Table-top games become a spectator sport like physical sports, why is this a bad thing, or why do people seem to be against this general concept?

Because it can and does give people the wrong idea of what playing an RPG is like. It is similar to how a-lot of LARP documentaries have painted LARPing poorly. So it is not necessarily the videos that are the issue. It is the oft overblown presentation. More and more people get it in their head that that is how you must DM or play an RPG.

That said. There are videos up of more normal play styles. But they tend to get eclipsed by the more theatrical ones.