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Why the hate of ORE

Started by kryyst, July 17, 2007, 10:35:22 AM

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Halfjack

I've only played Reign but read the other ORE systems and most of the problems seem to be polished off the system in Reign.  It's much more streamlined and there's a great deal of tactical choice arising from the dice mechanics without wallowing in extremes.  It still suffers somewhat from overloading the two result axes but in play the resulting statistical hiccups don't seem to have an adverse affect.  Reign plays extremely smoothly and has been great fun so far.

If you've always played tactical systems like D&D without a battlemat and well understood positions, you might find ORE suits that play style well (again, particularly in Reign) -- as its tactical decisions come out of the dice to some extent, the positioning information is entirely secondary.  Maneuver is still very important, but tracking specific locations is rather less so.

If you prefer a more rigid tactical game it can be played that way but I think it's less satisfying than something more well fitted to the battlemat (again, like D&D).  As a combat system it is certainly not designed around specific positioning.

There are several AP threads and reviews for Reign up at RPG.net that might illuminate some of these observations for good or ill.

As for the supposed hate, I can't say I've seen it here.  No one's shy about saying they dislike something here, but I haven't seen a wave of hatred.
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flyingmice

Yeah - there's no hate with me, just dislike. It's not my cuppa, never will be, and I avoid it. But unless it's directly in question, no one would ever know I dislike it. I don't go around saying I hate it, or pop onto threads where someone is discussing an ORE game and declaim how horrible it is. I just ignore its existence.

-clash
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Ian Absentia

Quote from: flyingmiceD'OH! Now I get it! Now I am enlightened, and my love for ORE flows like waves in luminiferous ether! :D
Oh, come on, clash, you weren't supposed to suddenly become "enlightened" and begin liking it.  You don't like it, and that's fine, and I don't care to change your mind.  I simply explained what Greg was going for when he designed the system and that he's always been very up-front about it.  I admitted that it's a gimmicky system that was designed around specific gimmicks, and I concede that people who don't like gimmicks may be prone to not like it.

!i!

flyingmice

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaOh, come on, clash, you weren't supposed to suddenly become "enlightened" and begin liking it.  You don't like it, and that's fine, and I don't care to change your mind.  I simply explained what Greg was going for when he designed the system and that he's always been very up-front about it.  I admitted that it's a gimmicky system that was designed around specific gimmicks, and I concede that people who don't like gimmicks may be prone to not like it.

!i!

I know Ian! I was just kidding. :D

-clash
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Ian Absentia

And it provoked me into writing a sentence using the word "gimmick" three times out of 29 words.  That's better than 10%, which must be some kind of record.

!i!

flyingmice

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaAnd it provoked me into writing a sentence using the word "gimmick" three times out of 29 words.  That's better than 10%, which must be some kind of record.

!i!

Oooh! Do I get a prize? :D

-clash
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Ian Absentia

You?  Hell with that.  I'm the one who gimmicked my way to fame.

!i!