If you're just not interested in the "current" official licensed Trek rpg, then I'll throw my pointy ears into the ring for FASA Star Trek. Played it from its debut on, still playing it in recent years. We toss out the Action Points for melee, and pretty much handwave starship battles with simple skill/stat rolls now and then, but the character generation and skill system can't be beat, IMO. And I love percentage-based skills, so intuitive.

OTOH I've been convinced to give Far Trek a try next month, so we'll see how that goes.

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 20, 2023, 09:50:10 AM

Quote from: rkhigdon on August 26, 2022, 01:03:47 PM
Far Trek might work for your needs.  Can't post it from here at work, but I imagine you can find it easily enough.

*edit* Here's the link https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lrhbz9l0qay0j/Far_Trek

Where No Man Has Gone Before might also be a choice.

Another vote for Far Trek.

Why? IT HAS KZINTI!!

That's exactly why you should avoid it. Star Trek was the nucleus for many awful fan fiction tropes. And one of those was furries.

Quote from: King Tyranno on March 20, 2023, 03:23:34 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 20, 2023, 09:50:10 AM

Quote from: rkhigdon on August 26, 2022, 01:03:47 PM
Far Trek might work for your needs.  Can't post it from here at work, but I imagine you can find it easily enough.

*edit* Here's the link https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lrhbz9l0qay0j/Far_Trek

Where No Man Has Gone Before might also be a choice.

Another vote for Far Trek.

Why? IT HAS KZINTI!!

That's exactly why you should avoid it. Star Trek was the nucleus for many awful fan fiction tropes. And one of those was furries.

Furries come directly from Manga/Anime.

Kzin are a much more interesting race to play as than Klingons while sharing many points:

Honor bound warriors
space faring species

On the plus side Kzinti AREN'T humans with rubber foreheads. And I'm a Trekkie since I first saw my first episode of ST:TOS.

Kzinti are Niven's creation, and they made their Trek debut in the 1970s Animated Star Trek.

Also fan fiction pretty much exploded onto the scene as a result of Star Trek, and we got some very good fiction out of it. Along with all the other SF&F fan fiction that's come along after.

"Furries" OTOH are just weird. I went to plenty of Trek conventions in the 70s and 80s, and knew a few fan fiction authors and artists, but never met or even saw a furry.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 20, 2023, 03:48:58 PM
Kzin are a much more interesting race to play as than Klingons while sharing many points:

Honor bound warriors

I'm a TOS fan. Klingons didn't get that "honor" thing until John Ford gave them his personal spin in the early '80s. Then we got Worf beginning in '87, and Klingon background and culture exploded like a bin full of tribbles. But I prefer the TOS Klingons.

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 20, 2023, 09:50:10 AM

Quote from: rkhigdon on August 26, 2022, 01:03:47 PM
Far Trek might work for your needs.  Can't post it from here at work, but I imagine you can find it easily enough.

*edit* Here's the link https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lrhbz9l0qay0j/Far_Trek

Where No Man Has Gone Before might also be a choice.

Another vote for Far Trek.

Why? IT HAS KZINTI!!

Prime Directive has Kzinti as well.

Quote from: Baron on March 20, 2023, 03:56:53 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 20, 2023, 03:48:58 PM
Kzin are a much more interesting race to play as than Klingons while sharing many points:

Honor bound warriors

I'm a TOS fan. Klingons didn't get that "honor" thing until John Ford gave them his personal spin in the early '80s. Then we got Worf beginning in '87, and Klingon background and culture exploded like a bin full of tribbles. But I prefer the TOS Klingons.

Klingons did a lot of talking about honor, but even in TNG and DS9 you didn't see it through their actions. Like with a lot of things in Star Trek (Mirror, Mirror should have just been a transporter accident with a bubble universe created by Kirk and Spock's psyche- no return in DS9; Section 31 should have remained in Sloan's mind- no return in Enterprise), it makes the most sense if you see Klingon Honor as Worf's idealization of Klingon culture, and nothing like what they actually are.

Quote from: migo on March 20, 2023, 04:10:19 PM
Klingons did a lot of talking about honor, but even in TNG and DS9 you didn't see it through their actions. Like with a lot of things in Star Trek (Mirror, Mirror should have just been a transporter accident with a bubble universe created by Kirk and Spock's psyche- no return in DS9; Section 31 should have remained in Sloan's mind- no return in Enterprise), it makes the most sense if you see Klingon Honor as Worf's idealization of Klingon culture, and nothing like what they actually are.

Apparently in Star Trek 2 they intended to have Romulans as the villains, hence all the Honour stuff. They switched to Klingons but kept the script. And thus Klingons became (nominally) honourable!

Quote from: S'mon on March 20, 2023, 05:05:49 PM

Quote from: migo on March 20, 2023, 04:10:19 PM
Klingons did a lot of talking about honor, but even in TNG and DS9 you didn't see it through their actions. Like with a lot of things in Star Trek (Mirror, Mirror should have just been a transporter accident with a bubble universe created by Kirk and Spock's psyche- no return in DS9; Section 31 should have remained in Sloan's mind- no return in Enterprise), it makes the most sense if you see Klingon Honor as Worf's idealization of Klingon culture, and nothing like what they actually are.

Apparently in Star Trek 2 they intended to have Romulans as the villains, hence all the Honour stuff. They switched to Klingons but kept the script. And thus Klingons became (nominally) honourable!

That explains half of it. Were Romulans as portrayed in TOS honorable? Use of cloaking technology strikes me as quite not honorable.

Quote from: Baron on March 20, 2023, 03:56:53 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 20, 2023, 03:48:58 PM
Kzin are a much more interesting race to play as than Klingons while sharing many points:

Honor bound warriors

I'm a TOS fan. Klingons didn't get that "honor" thing until John Ford gave them his personal spin in the early '80s. Then we got Worf beginning in '87, and Klingon background and culture exploded like a bin full of tribbles. But I prefer the TOS Klingons.

John Ford's take was very rooted in TOS episodes like "Day of the Dove", where the Klingons were clearly portrayed as having honor. Their style of honor was mostly modeled on Russians, but they clearly had values like truth, loyalty, honor, etc.

In TNG, they were changed to be more based on stereotypes of Japanese warrior culture - with traditional bladed weapons, formalities, and clans as the most prominent parts of their culture.

Quote from: jhkim on March 20, 2023, 05:08:40 PM

Quote from: Baron on March 20, 2023, 03:56:53 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 20, 2023, 03:48:58 PM
Kzin are a much more interesting race to play as than Klingons while sharing many points:

Honor bound warriors

I'm a TOS fan. Klingons didn't get that "honor" thing until John Ford gave them his personal spin in the early '80s. Then we got Worf beginning in '87, and Klingon background and culture exploded like a bin full of tribbles. But I prefer the TOS Klingons.

John Ford's take was very rooted in TOS episodes like "Day of the Dove", where the Klingons were clearly portrayed as having honor. Their style of honor was mostly modeled on Russians, but they clearly had values like truth, loyalty, honor, etc.

In TNG, they were changed to be more based on stereotypes of Japanese warrior culture - with traditional bladed weapons, formalities, and clans as the most prominent parts of their culture.

Thank you! Yes, TOS Klingons were portrayed as honorable, just not a Samurai stand-in.

Quote from: jhkim on March 20, 2023, 05:08:40 PM

Quote from: Baron on March 20, 2023, 03:56:53 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 20, 2023, 03:48:58 PM
Kzin are a much more interesting race to play as than Klingons while sharing many points:

Honor bound warriors

I'm a TOS fan. Klingons didn't get that "honor" thing until John Ford gave them his personal spin in the early '80s. Then we got Worf beginning in '87, and Klingon background and culture exploded like a bin full of tribbles. But I prefer the TOS Klingons.

John Ford's take was very rooted in TOS episodes like "Day of the Dove", where the Klingons were clearly portrayed as having honor. Their style of honor was mostly modeled on Russians, but they clearly had values like truth, loyalty, honor, etc.

In TNG, they were changed to be more based on stereotypes of Japanese warrior culture - with traditional bladed weapons, formalities, and clans as the most prominent parts of their culture.

The FASA Klingons were so cool. I've read the Ford books and I was very disappointed with how the Klingons turned out in Next Gen. There were some things about the FASA Klingons that were goofy. Like the idea of genetically modified infiltrators to messily describe the discrepancy between TOS and TMP Klingons. But the culture was very interesting and I would've liked to have seen that explored more in a series or film. FASA Trek is something I'd like to run at some point. Just without the rules. Probably end up using Far Trek or Traveller.

Actually Traveller would be my pick for a Trek game. It's good for giving your party members specialisations like the crew of a starship. You can give packages of skills similar to base MGT whilst still doing the life path stuff. Just ask the players to ensure that by the end of that they go to Starfleet Academy. And Traveller has some of the best rules for open ended space exploration. But you may need to adapt them for a more Star Trek style of exploration compared to Traveller's baked in concepts.

Actually at one point I was working on a kinda sorta Star Trek flavoured version of Traveller. At least Trek themed space exploration as an add on to MGT2. Set in the early years of the Federation with sandbox tables to fill out a hex grid with. If anyone wants to have a look give me a shout, I'd love some feedback.

Love to hear more about Far Trek.

Anybody run a campaign?

Quote from: migo on March 20, 2023, 05:08:31 PM
That explains half of it. Were Romulans as portrayed in TOS honorable? Use of cloaking technology strikes me as quite not honorable.

In their first appearance they were "Romans in Space" - hence the name. Their tech was completely different from Federation tech, and generally vastly inferior - no Warp(!), plasma & nuclear weapons - the nuclear blast was portrayed as very powerful, I liked that - but a cloaking device. The episode was basically German U-boat vs US Navy Destroyer.

Quote from: AlexBreengs on March 20, 2023, 06:39:08 AM
Hey there! As a fellow Star Trek fan, I gotta say that finding a great unofficial game can be a bit of a challenge. But fear not, I have a recommendation for you! Have you tried "Star Trek Timelines"? It's a really fun strategy game that lets you build your own crew and explore the galaxy. And while it's not quite the same as playing solitaire cash app, it's definitely worth checking out! Give it a try and let me know what you think.

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