Quote from: Simlasa;917663I don't either but it's not a very meaningful quality to judge a game by... might as well be, 'We don't want to play any games with blue on the cover.'

On second thought, maybe I do see it as a character flaw... not a big one though, just a quirk. Like my friend who just refuses to watch any movies older than late 90s... unless it's Star Wars or Indiana Jones.

I think it is just that they might less approachable for some people. I watch a lot of older movies. My favorite films were made in the late 60s and early 70s, but they can be tough sells for a younger audience used to different pacing. I can understand why they are not as approachable if people are accustomed to more recent films. It isn't that they are judging the individual movie, they are just using an easy mental short cut to help them make efficient use of their time. So if you suggest an older movie, it isn't crazy for them to assume it might not be the best use of two hours for them. I think we all do that to an extent. People do that for all kinds of things. But this isn't religion, I don't care if someone doesn't like my older movies or games, or if they would rather take a chance on something newer than something older. The important thing for me when I run a campaign or even a one shot, is I want people to be enthusiastic going in, because I don't like spending time preparing for something if people aren't excited about it.

I agree with you about the pulp expectation of core Savage, with its graphic design elements, even though they have been reduced in presence.  Honestly, the Last Parsec content was the reason I finally bought a selection of things for the game.  I had sort of written the game off before it.  Not trying to sell the game to you, though.  It sounds like you have a slot for Savage already. So, well and good on its front.

The Last Parsec's free primer for any others curious:
HTTPS://www.peginc.com/store/the-last-parsec-primer/

Glad to help Rogue Space a bit!

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;917656I am a fan of older games. And with the right group, I am happy to run 1E, Traveller, etc. I do have a group of players who are interested in that sort of thing and for them that stuff is an easy sell. But every group is different. Some players like newer games, some players don't want stuff that is OSR or has an older vibe to it. I have no problem selecting a system that fits those preferences. I don't see it as a character flaw that people want to play something new.

You seem to be under the impression that the current Traveller edition somehow labours under ancient world mechanics and hasn't had any modernisation since the 1st edition. You are mistaken. Have a look at the software:

https://rpgsuite.com

Quote from: TrippyHippy;917670You seem to be under the impression that the current Traveller edition somehow labours under ancient world mechanics and hasn't had any modernisation since the 1st edition. You are mistaken. Have a look at the software:

https://rpgsuite.com

I am not under that impression. Traveller isn't on the table for this campaign.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;917672I am not under that impression. Traveller isn't on the table for this campaign.

Then stop harping on about it being an "old game" then.

And tell your players from me that their taste in games suck. On that basis alone, I recommend FATE.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;917652It is going to vary, because these are going to be one-shots. But what I am really looking to do is build each one shot around a lot of research into a particular subject that happens to be of interest to me at a given moment. But stuff like more realistic limits on space travel.

I am hard pressed to think of a game that would fit since my first choice is not one your players are keen on. However, I do recommend that you check out the Atomic Rockets website for some hard science and how it relates to science fiction.

Quote from: TrippyHippy;917673Then stop harping on about it being an "old game" then.

I am not. That post was in response to Simlasa's. But I think it has associations that are tough to shake from peoples' minds. If I say 'Traveller' new and shiny doesn't leap to mind for most people (even if there is a newly revised edition).

QuoteAnd tell your players from me that their taste in games suck. On that basis alone, I recommend FATE.

I will be sure to let them know your opinion Trippyhippy. I am sure it will keep them up at night that they've upset you. FATE is definitely not on the table, though.

Quote from: jeff37923;917675I am hard pressed to think of a game that would fit since my first choice is not one your players are keen on. However, I do recommend that you check out the Atomic Rockets website for some hard science and how it relates to science fiction.

Thanks that site looks really useful here.

QuoteI will be sure to let them your opinion Trippyhippy. I am sure it will keep them up at night that they've upset you. FATE is definitely not on the table, though.

One can hope - but you've simply laid bare your own prejudices rather than any definitive reasoning here. Not that it ought to keep anyone awake at night.

Quote from: TrippyHippy;917679One can hope - but you've simply laid bare your own prejudices rather than any definitive reasoning here. Not that it ought to keep anyone awake at night.

All I am trying to say here is I think Traveller is a good game, but it isn't what I am looking for this time around. It is going to be a tough sell and frankly, I just want to try something different that I haven't played before. I can't help it if people are interpreting that to mean 'I hate their precious game'. Nor can I help it if people demand better reasons for me not using it for this campaign.

It's not anyone's "precious game" (aside from Marc Miller, maybe) it's just the best one that fits the description of what your original post said you were looking for. If you're then adding vaguely reasoned stipulations that it's not what you want, then good luck to you, but you were the one asking.

If you want something that basically does the same thing as Traveller, but re-envisioned with an alternative system, then the upcoming M-Space for the Mythras/RQ6 system has a similar hard sci-fi feel.

Quote from: TrippyHippy;917690It's not anyone's "precious game" (aside from Marc Miller, maybe) it's just the best one that fits the description of what your original post said you were looking for. If you're then adding vaguely reasoned stipulations that it's not what you want, then good luck to you, but you were the one asking.

Well, I don't think I am under an obligation to explain why I might want or not want a particular game. And I probably should have said in the OP, that I am basically looking for something aside from Traveller. But I tried to address that as it came up. I can certainly understand suggesting traveller and being perplexed since it seems like it would fit well. But I don't get not understanding that it isn't what I am looking for in this instance. Nor do I understand getting defensive about it. I don't think it ought to be terribly controversial. It isn't a commentary on Traveller or Traveller's utility for this sort of game. It just isn't what I am looking to use right now. I've tried to offered reasons for people who asked, but I really don't care enough to defend each reason point by point.

Yep. You're now getting defensive about other people getting defensive which I naturally find ironic. But the suggestion of M-Space is worth checking out regardless. It does what you say you're looking for in a new language I guess:

http://basicroleplaying.org/topic/5191-m-space-test-print/

Quote from: TrippyHippy;917696Yep. You're now getting defensive about other people getting defensive which I naturally find ironic. But the suggestion of M-Space is worth checking out regardless. It does what you say you're looking for in a new language I guess:

http://basicroleplaying.org/topic/5191-m-space-test-print/

I don't know. I am just perplexed by that sort of reaction.

Part of what I am saying is the presentation and expectations the players have matters. So M Space might do the trick. Is it a variation on BRP?

Yes, it was originally meant to be a BRP supplement, but with Chaosium putting that on the back burner they converted it to what is now the Mythras system. The simple and clean layout of the game system, and its utility to a hard sci-fi setting harkens back to Classic Traveller in it's aesthetic but it's done in a BRP way. You'd need to get the Mythras Imperative booklet too for the core system, but that is a free download at The Design Mechanism site.