Quote from: TrippyHippy;917699Yes, it was originally meant to be a BRP supplement, but with Chaosium putting that on the back burner they converted it to what is now the Mythras system. The simple and clean layout of the game system, and its utility to a hard sci-fi setting harkens back to Classic Traveller in it's aesthetic but it's done in a BRP way. You'd need to get the Mythras Imperative booklet too for the core system, but that is a free download at The Design Mechanism site.

Okay. Is this the correct Mythras: http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/185299/Mythras-Imperative

Yep. And M-Space itself is due for release very close to now. Check The Design Mechanism site - mainly the forum for details on M-Space - here: http://thedesignmechanism.com

I think the old BRP version may also still be free online at the BRP site too, although I may be wrong. The author is Clarence Redd.

Quote from: TrippyHippy;917703Yep. And M-Space itself is due for release very close to now. Check The Design Mechanism site - mainly the forum for details on M-Space - here: http://thedesignmechanism.com

I think the old BRP version may also still be free online at the BRP site too, although I may be wrong.

Okay. Looking at it, it doesn't look terribly rules light to me. Is M-Space a simplified version of the system?

2300AD anyone? Best hard sci-fi game ever, new traveller system version too.

Part of the problem is, what you're really asking for is a game that will meet the preconceived notions of this group that sound a little particular, jaded, spoiled, dickish and/or all of the above.  Describing them might help us better then actual game features.

If your players are looking for a Sci-Fi game that's "new", you can literally give them that.  

N.E.W. Is the Sci-Fi game portion of the Enworld RPG System.  It's a toolkit system, so the Hard Sci-Fi I expect you could dial to what you want.  It has starship construction and starship combat.  It's self-described as tactical and crunchy, so dunno if that would fit.  But is IS New, literally.

M-Space is BRP Space remade using the brand new Mythras Imperative version of the Mythras system.  It's RQ6 basically, but best not to tell your players that and just use the word Mythras.  If you look hard (like in the dropbox link I'll send you if you ask) you might be able to find a mythical supplement that shall not be named detailing RQ6 rules from a long time ago in a galaxy far far away which you could probably use with M-Space just fine.

Mythras Imperative is a free download and it is a lighter version of the system, but does have opposed rolls and success levels.  I know everyone says this, but it's true...the combat system plays much faster than it reads.

Oh hey, new, rules lightish...have you looked at the Cypher System, Monte Cook's deal?  I'm guessing there would have to be some hard-sci fi in The Strange.

Quote from: rgrove0172;9177072300AD anyone? Best hard sci-fi game ever, new traveller system version too.

Do keep up, anything branded Traveller is off the table due to player bias.

Oh, a new suggestion, D6 Space. (Free)
http://drivethrurpg.com/product/20447/D6-Space
http://drivethrurpg.com/product/20449/D6-Space-Ships

You can also use the more minimal Mini Six rules. (PWYW)
http://drivethrurpg.com/product/144558/Mini-Six-Bare-Bones-Edition

Quote from: CRKrueger;917708Part of the problem is, what you're really asking for is a game that will meet the preconceived notions of this group that sound a little particular, jaded, spoiled, dickish and/or all of the above.  Describing them might help us better then actual game features.

Given some of the responses, I'd honestly rather not describe them. But what I will say is I have more than one group of players. The one I have in mind are none of those things (dickish, spoiled, etc). They just tend to like newer game systems that are on the lighter end of things. They also are more responsive in general to games that don't harken back to older systems. They don't shit on them. It just isn't what they are into and while I am sure they'd be willing to play anything I tried to run, I don't think a game like Traveller is going to get them terribly excited in the lead up.  

Also this isn't just about the group. Like I said, I like traveller, I think it is a good game, but I'd like to try something I haven't really played before in this case. I am interested in trying out some new systems.

Quote from: CRKrueger;917711Oh hey, new, rules lightish...have you looked at the Cypher System, Monte Cook's deal?  I'm guessing there would have to be some hard-sci fi in The Strange.

I had thought of cypher. The Strange seems like a reality bending game though. Numenera would definitely work for a City and the Stars or Against the Fall of Night campaign, in fact it seems built around some of Clarke's ideas, but it is very setting specific. So it seems like it might be a tough one to run outside of Ninth World. I suppose I could try hacking it though.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;917721Given some of the responses, I'd honestly rather not describe them. But what I will say is I have more than one group of players. The one I have in mind are none of those things (dickish, spoiled, etc). They just tend to like newer game systems that are on the lighter end of things. They also are more responsive in general to games that don't harken back to older systems. They don't shit on them. It just isn't what they are into and while I am sure they'd be willing to play anything I tried to run, I don't think a game like Traveller is going to get them terribly excited in the lead up.  

Also this isn't just about the group. Like I said, I like traveller, I think it is a good game, but I'd like to try something I haven't really played before in this case. I am interested in trying out some new systems.

There's nothing wrong with wanting a new system just because, I do that myself.  Maybe the players have experience with Traveller, with 2300, with SWN, or whatever, and it just doesn't do anything for them.  What it sounds like though, is if I had a brand new game with glossy color pages and 21st century layout that was Traveller in all but name, they'd go for it and not know the difference.

If you're looking for a new system, then what have you ruled out?

I couldn't find it on DTRPG, but Google found the Hard Science Fiction page there: http://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse.php?filters=520_0_0_0_0

Ashen Stars uses Gumshoe, which a lot of people like.
LOL Then there is Judge Dredd (just don't tell the players it is actually Traveller? LOL)
Space Opera
Myriad Song
The Void Core
The Singularity System

And here is the same link with "Core rulebooks" selected: http://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse.php?filters=520_2140_0_0_0

Heavy Gear or Jovian Chronicles, maybe? Not really new (nearly 20 years old), but it has unified mechanics, and has medium-light rules.

If I was Brendan I don't think I'd ever play suggest-a-game on the 'Site ever again. Jeez.

Though admittedly he seems to be up against a tough crowd. Rules-light, hard SF, no Traveller or Traveller-like, no OSR, no FATE. Is that right?

BRP (holy shit, there's a SF setting coming out for Mythras???) and Savage Worlds have already been suggested.

I'd throw in D6 Space. Sturdy little engine whose ability to do space opera has been thoroughly time-tested, but I'm sure it can do hard SF (albeit with Hollywood blockbuster sensibilities)

Other than that I suspect your safest bet is to convert your own house system to SF.

I haven't played it but what about Diaspora? It's Fate, so kinda 'new' and aimed at firm to hard scifi.
EDIT: Oh, wait... was Fate ruled out as well?

I'm not up on Mythras Imperative yet but I wouldn't call Mythras 'rules light'... but grabbing the BRP Space stuff (doomed to come down any moment) and using it with River of Heaven might be a sleek maneuver... unless Openquest/BRP are off limits too.