BESM getting a new edition [Merged with BESM 4]

trechriron · April 30, 2019, 01:45:31 PM

Quote from: sureshot;1085265If he has any business sense or any sense at all he would avoid kickstarting the product as from what I am seeing their are some even more angry than myself with very long memories who will make sure that it fails. You know what I don't blame them because to publicly be caught at fraud and even them we only found out not through Mark but from George R.R. Martin. Using other people money to stay solvent and expect not to get caught at it thinking they can just walk back into the industry shows a profound lack of compassion, empathy and just an all around miserable for a person. His post shows he has learned nothing and makes me never want to give him a wooden nickel. I do not want anything he does to succeed. Even if it means never seeing a new edition of Silver Age Sentinel possibly ever.

Exactly. No one should support this. You can accomplish similar things with other generic systems like GURPS, HERO or Unisystem. There's a great anime game called OVA that is similar but the author is a cool person --> https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/133493/OVA-The-Anime-RolePlaying-Game

Way too many options out there to give this joker another shot at defrauding his customers.

Armchair Gamer · April 30, 2019, 01:50:07 PM

Quote from: trechriron;1085320Exactly. No one should support this. You can accomplish similar things with other generic systems like GURPS, HERO or Unisystem. There's a great anime game called OVA that is similar but the author is a cool person --> https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/133493/OVA-The-Anime-RolePlaying-Game

Way too many options out there to give this joker another shot at defrauding his customers.

I've got fond impressions of BESM but have been reminded of just how badly MacKinnon handled the collapse of GoO, so I'm going for "not backing a Kickstarter under any circumstances, not buying at retail until I see some sign he's tried to make some amends for his mistakes."

However, I've been poking around OVA for a while, and word of mouth about it in the wake of this announcement has been positive enough that I may take the leap.

Mordred Pendragon · April 30, 2019, 02:38:10 PM

Fuck y'all, I am still supporting this regardless of what shitty things MacKinnon did over a fucking decade ago.

BESM is my favorite RPG of all time.

Brad · April 30, 2019, 02:44:52 PM

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1085328Fuck y'all, I am still supporting this regardless of what shitty things MacKinnon did over a fucking decade ago.

BESM is my favorite RPG of all time.

Okay..? Dude, spend your money however the fuck you want, but I'll maintain that BESM 3rd jumped the shark so I doubt 4th will be anything I'd want out of an anime game.

What kind of anime do you want to play, though? Best mecha game is probably Mekton Zeta, Maid is pretty good for emulating loli stuff, Cute & Fuzzy Cockfighting Seizure Monsters still holds up for Pokemon, etc. Plenty of stuff out there that is easy to run and you can find cheaply second hand.

Mordred Pendragon · April 30, 2019, 03:13:34 PM

Quote from: Brad;1085330Okay..? Dude, spend your money however the fuck you want, but I'll maintain that BESM 3rd jumped the shark so I doubt 4th will be anything I'd want out of an anime game.

What kind of anime do you want to play, though? Best mecha game is probably Mekton Zeta, Maid is pretty good for emulating loli stuff, Cute & Fuzzy Cockfighting Seizure Monsters still holds up for Pokemon, etc. Plenty of stuff out there that is easy to run and you can find cheaply second hand.

I like the multi-genre approach BESM has and yes, you can go on about "Muh GURPS" but BESM is a lot more simple and easier to run than GURPS, and I actually like GURPS.

Also, I love my BESM 1E books a lot and I want to support the revival of BESM as a gameline. Maybe if it works out well, we can get a new Sailor Moon RPG and more.

Yeah, Mark C. MacKinnon fucked up big time with the downfall of Guardians of Order but that was almost fifteen years ago, it's time to let shit go.

I can see the fun-hating and capeshit-loving commie punks at RPGnet bashing the return of BESM since they have no sense of humor and do not grasp the concept of redemption, but I'd expect better from you guys.

Chunkthulhu · April 30, 2019, 03:17:45 PM

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1085331Yeah, Mark C. MacKinnon fucked up big time with the downfall of Guardians of Order but that was almost fifteen years ago, it's time to let shit go.

I can see the fun-hating and capeshit-loving commie punks at RPGnet bashing the return of BESM since they have no sense of humor and do not grasp the concept of redemption, but I'd expect better from you guys.

The reason I jumped ship from RPGnet is because, as I understand it, here you can have the opinion that it's time to let shit go, and I can have the opinion that I'd rather watch my money burn in a dumpster fire than give it to anything MacKinnon is involved with, and that both opinions are totally OK.

Manic Modron · April 30, 2019, 03:30:13 PM

I anticipate "Far West 2: This time it's anime."

Abraxus · April 30, 2019, 03:35:06 PM

So Doc Sammy if I owed you say 20000$ and I not only lied to you about no longer having it, spent the money, you had to find out from a third party, while possibly going bamkrupt and losing everything. I come 15 years later to borrow money from you. I don't apologize and blame someone else you would be cool and okay with it.

It's easy to say let shit go when it hsppens to someone else. I was not owed money yet I despise Mark on all levels. His attempt to worm his way back into the hobby deserves to fail and him to be treated like a pariah.

brettmb · April 30, 2019, 03:39:22 PM

It's one thing if he is selling a new edition and can use the proceeds to pay off debts. It's another if he's going to run a kickstarter and your money is at risk.

Armchair Gamer · April 30, 2019, 03:41:15 PM

At the moment, we don't know if it's going to be a Kickstarter or a standard commercial release. All that's certain is that it's supposed to come out sometime this year and will be Tri-Stat.

MacKinnon appears to have managed his new company successfully, but there's still a lot of outstanding issues and bad blood in the RPG community that he's going to have to deal with one way or another.

Brad · April 30, 2019, 03:48:38 PM

Quote from: Manic Modron;1085334I anticipate "Far West 2: This time it's anime."

Yeah, I think this is probably the most likely scenario, regardless of his true intent.

Which brings up another question: how SHOULD failed Kickstarters be handled? JMal and Skarka stand out as two KS shysters I'd never trust ever again. Am I supposed to just say after 10 years, yeah, I'll back a JMal KS for Dwimmermounting Dos even though he demonstrated he is untrustworthy? What's the statue of limitations on being full of shit?

Chunkthulhu · April 30, 2019, 03:52:34 PM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1085337MacKinnon appears to have managed his new company successfully

He managed GoO successfully for quite a while. *shrug*

Mordred Pendragon · April 30, 2019, 03:55:58 PM

Quote from: Chunkthulhu;1085333The reason I jumped ship from RPGnet is because, as I understand it, here you can have the opinion that it's time to let shit go, and I can have the opinion that I'd rather watch my money burn in a dumpster fire than give it to anything MacKinnon is involved with, and that both opinions are totally OK.

Well, to each their own.

I will still support MacKinnon though.

Mordred Pendragon · April 30, 2019, 03:59:14 PM

Quote from: sureshot;1085335So Doc Sammy if I owed you say 20000$ and I not only lied to you about no longer having it, spent the money, you had to find out from a third party, while possibly going bamkrupt and losing everything. I come 15 years later to borrow money from you. I don't apologize and blame someone else you would be cool and okay with it.

It's easy to say let shit go when it hsppens to someone else. I was not owed money yet I despise Mark on all levels. His attempt to worm his way back into the hobby deserves to fail and him to be treated like a pariah.

Fuck off, you Marvel fanboy. Go suck Stan Lee's rotting dick.

MacKinnon deserves a second chance and maybe he can make amends once BESM is launched.

White Wolf would not have signed off on letting him do this if they thought he was going to make the same mistakes again. Especially after V5 blew up in their faces and they've got the dangerhairs gunning for them despite bending over backwards to placate said dangerhairs.

And considering how much SJW's tend to hate anime, there would be no way in Hell that White Wolf would back this if they thought MacKinnon was going to repeat what he did fourteen years ago.

Manic Modron · April 30, 2019, 04:03:32 PM

Quote from: Chunkthulhu;1085339He managed GoO successfully for quite a while. *shrug*

At least he made it look like he did.