Quote from: Pierce InverarityI take "having a beef" to mean "terminally spoils my fun because I can't houserule it away, hence will probably never play it."

In that sense, I'm having a beef with those 90s games which, while clearly cool, require me to buy a dozen supplements in order to follow a metaplot I don't care for. 7th Sea, L5R...

I agree. But at the same time I enjoyed buying those books just to read them. Even IF I never was going to use the new metaplot add-ons.

Quote from: teckno72Personally, I'm less likely to want to play/run a game in a fantasy setting.  I played many of those games for years, and I am seeking something different in my roleplaying experiences.

Only "fantasy setting" that could ever catch my attention for more than 2 game sessons was Dark*Sun. I liked the Low Magic setting. Everyone was a Wild Talent for Psionic powers. D*S Gladiators were just awesome in a fight (auto profient in all weapons, just Specialized with weapons instead).

 

Quote from: GoOrange>snip<
D&D - because at high levels it really gets to be a pain in the neck to adequately design and run NPCs.

D20 Modern - I'm sick of my players charging the guy with the gun, knowing they have enough hit points to soak up the damage.
>snip<
*Note, I play and love a lot of the above games, but I still have a few beefs with them.

For D&D/D20Modern I have some advice.
Hunt down the AD&D2e GM Screens. They include Hit Location Tables and Citical Hit tables.
The Hit Location Table, If you score more than like 8 or 9 damage to say the Torso, They are DEAD or Dieing. No matter how much HP they have. It is easy to sever limbs this way too to disarm foes on the fly. It is a GREAT addition to and D&D game AD&D2e or D&D3e+ or d20Modern or whathave you.

Vampire... Im with Rotwang on this one... the whole though of playing one... no thanks
Palladium... the system sucks, and KS is an idiot
D&D... though I was running it, I discovered I dont like High fantasy, and I think its because you end up having these all powerfull characters that are too focused (but Ill still play... highly focused, powerful characters can be fun to play)
RollMaster ... the charts.... not the charts!
Any Space Opera game... not of interest to me

Shadowrun 4th. In the beginning I was eager to get ahold of a more streamlined and faster version of my beloved SR, but what I got wasn't any faster (with the very exceptions of Matrix and vehicles, which are rule cores we had "out-sourced" to NPCs anyway). Even worse, they have replaced many things I have loved as pools or complete soaking of small damage, and kept many thnings I found unnerving (different accounts for cyber- and bioware, deltaware, evasion and soaking as different rolls and so on).
No matter at which edition of SR I look, the strong ideas appeal to me, but the mistakes in the execution break my heart.
There must be a reason that i started a cyberpunk/fantasy homebrew...

Quote from: NYTFLYRD&D... though I was running it, I discovered I dont like High fantasy, and I think its because you end up having these all powerfull characters that are too focused (but Ill still play... highly focused, powerful characters can be fun to play)

I hear yah. That is why I'm going to check out IRON HEROES since I hear it not High Fantasy.
I'd be happy to let yah know after I get my hands on it.

Quote from: GoOrangeTraveller - because I can't pick the skills I want.

Why not?  Does your die roll automatically each term?  Does Marc Miller come out of the book and give you five across the lip if you say, "This term, I want to take a level of Electr- OW!"

If that's all the beef you got, then you don't have much to grill with.  Ignore that rule if it doesn't suit you.

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!If that's all the beef you got, then you don't have much to grill with.  Ignore that rule if it doesn't suit you.

Eh. If I have to change the system to get it to do what you want, I'd say the beef is fair.

Course with me, the beef would be the opposite. I don't accept GURPS Traveller as a viable Traveller variant because the point buy nature of it doesn't give you the odd mix of characters that other Traveller iterations do. Though I could house rule it with a system that randomizes it, that doesn't really say anything about the system as-printed.

Quote from: Kaiu KeiichiI have a beef against R Talsorian's Mekton Z and Z+ because while it plays fantastically, it's a pain in the ass to prep for.CB

That's part of the reason I abandonded Mekton.  Loved the game and the genre, the paperwork and prep just about killed me.

It forced me to look at other options

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!Why not?  Does your die roll automatically each term?  Does Marc Miller come out of the book and give you five across the lip if you say, "This term, I want to take a level of Electr- OW!"

Huh?

I don't know what to make of this comment. Please tell me this is in jest and you don't actually believe that my intelligence score is so low that the thought never occurred to me to houserule something. Give me a little credit.

I didn't know our beefs were going to be graded in this thread...

    get it...grade...beef...

I crack myself up, I really do.

Quote from: GoOrangeHuh?

I don't know what to make of this comment. Please tell me this is in jest and you don't actually believe that my intelligence score is so low that the thought never occurred to me to houserule something. Give me a little credit.

Of course I'm joking, dude.  Question is, do you house-rule that away, or not?  I bet you do, and then I wonder why it's a beef at all.

Quote from: GoOrangeI didn't know our beefs were going to be graded in this thread...

    get it...grade...beef...

I crack myself up, I really do.

Yeah, that was pretty good indeed. It was lean and didn't go against the grain.  You have a rare wit, sir!   :haw:

Quote from: Caesar SlaadEh. If I have to change the system to get it to do what you want, I'd say the beef is fair.

Hmmm...okay, I'll agree.  But I'll counter that just about every game gets monkeyed with here and there, and a game like Traveller, by its very nature, invites that sort of thing.

BALL'S IN YOUR COURT, JACKASS!*



*Caveat: I do not think Slaad is the least bit a jackass, but I'm pretending to be one so we can all laugh at me.

I don´t have a beef with most of the games I diss.

Because I mostly have a beef with their adherents, which are mostly worse than the games themselves.

Add to that, that I really can´t get worked up that much on the games.

But there´s one game I loathe for it´s very existence, and would gladly  
do the time-warp ("...again!"), and kill it´s writers:

Mechwarrior 3rd edition.

It took one of the most accessible, lightweight, 100 percent compatible table-top-boardgame-rpg-crossover rulessets, and butchered it into an bloated monstrosity that nobody wants to play.
Thusly they single-handedly destroyed all BT RPGing.

Quote from: Caesar SlaadEh. If I have to change the system to get it to do what you want, I'd say the beef is fair.

Course with me, the beef would be the opposite. I don't accept GURPS Traveller as a viable Traveller variant because the point buy nature of it doesn't give you the odd mix of characters that other Traveller iterations do. Though I could house rule it with a system that randomizes it, that doesn't really say anything about the system as-printed.

I was really, really surprised that they didn't make at least some attempt at merging the Random Characters rules from 3e Basic Set with some variant of the Traveller lifepath stuff.  

Like you, I wound up never having much interest in GT, because even though I like GURPS, the setting wasn't what appealed to me in Traveller, it was the system, especially the chargen, so dumping it for straight point buy just seemed like kind of a bummer.

I'm sure if your a big Third Imperium fan, and just want to be able to make the exact character you want to explore the setting with, it's great, but that's not necessarily what I'm on about.

I have a fairly major beef with WotC-based D20 products and the way the baseline assumption is that there is no other way to roleplay and that if you don't follow their class and level structures, you are cheating.  There are certain amounts of this in many other systems, but it's made significantly worse because Wizards is the dominant player in the market.  So when they make a change, you get a tiny percentage who critique it and a vast majority who say "Oh Cool! Now I can do X or Y which I couldn't do before!" which to me is slavish behaviour, akin to ning-heads who define themselves by the brand of soda they drink.

Counterpoint is GURPS, a similarily top-controlled system but where they are constantly saying "these limitations only apply in certain settings" or "this is the standard, but depending on how you want to play it, it could be the opposite."

I know most of us are totally comfortable house-ruling, but I believe a system should be very clear on how much it is comfortable with you fucking with it.  GURPS is totally rationally locked down but says "do with this what you will".  Burning Wheel says "You must do exactly as I say." and D&D 3.5 says "you can do whatever you want!  But really you can't so don't try that until our next book comes out and gives you that prestige class and makes it legitimate".

Quote from: Caesar SlaadCourse with me, the beef would be the opposite. I don't accept GURPS Traveller as a viable Traveller variant because the point buy nature of it doesn't give you the odd mix of characters that other Traveller iterations do. Though I could house rule it with a system that randomizes it, that doesn't really say anything about the system as-printed.

 Sacrilege!!

 Blasphemer!

 You crazy Roman Amphibian!!

 My apologies - my knee just jerked.
I've been running a GURPS:TRAVELLER campaign the past three years and just had a game session for most of this past Saturday night.

- Ed C.

Serious answer to the OP.....

 OK ...

 I have a BEEF with Rolemaster.
 Worst goddamn campaign I was ever  a player in was a rolemaster game mechanics one.

 Its SUCKED.

 It sucked Plaid Drunken Elephants.

 I got talked into playing that damn campaign. We were all supposed "EVIL" characters because it was dream of one of the other players from when he was in High School to play in an Evil! campaign.

I HATED it!!!

NOT because of the cmapaign conception - that was not the main reason I hated it or Rolemaster.

 The fucking resolution of combat took FOREVER., The GM chose to enforce the fucked up mechanics of rolemaster when he felt like it.
 Now I DID look at the Rolemastr books while playting - thought those were a fucked up mess.
 You can now NEVER talk me into playing a "Rolemaster" game again.

There were NINE players in that greoup (WAY too many guys , and the wrong kind)  I am only friends with two people from that bunch - a married couple who are in my current G:T campaign.
This couple i was friends with BEFORE that game started. The couple used to get into arguments after the game sessions - because problems during play woulkd unsettle thjem. Each week we had to decide if we creally want to to go or not... (The three of us were carpooling there. - GAS prices the main reason)

 Hate Rolemaster.

 Just hate it.

Don't let it near me.

 When I say "nice" things about it on our shelf at work - I'm acting - okay ?? I'm usually mentioning it along with HERO, WFRP, RIFTS, GURPS and other game.
Who am I kidding?   We haven't had it on our shelves in months - when we did ...it didn't sell well.  Fuck it . It stinks.

- Ed C.