Quote from: HappyDaze on July 08, 2021, 06:20:40 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 08, 2021, 06:18:13 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 08, 2021, 06:16:42 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 08, 2021, 05:11:28 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 08, 2021, 04:58:28 PM
Yep, here we have the self-described free speech advocates expressing a need for safe spaces (based on this basic definition: The goal of a safe space is to provide a place where people are not subject to the biases, discrimination, and criticism of the outside world). This seems utterly hypocritical, but wait...these same people are always saying it's the other side that's built on hypocrisy. It's just so hard to be an ultra-right gamer these days, isn't it? Maybe the new "MAGACon" needs to plan on providing emotional support animals too.

Translation:

"How dare you think of making woke proof insitutions/organizations/spaces! We must be allowed in so we can expel you and destroy everything you like!"

My response? Yep, gatekeeping against the woke is a noble goal, kiss my hairy latino ass.

Fool, when you block out everyone that doesn't meet your purity standards, you become the SJW.

Because it's about purity and not about keeping the SJW out.

Also, when you keep the invaders out they win...

Kiss my hairy latino ass.

I know you're politicized, but you're not that obtuse.

I know you're a fanatic but you're not that dumb, it's not about ideological purity, I mean Grim Jim is a fecking commie and I would gladly game with him. You? not sure you can leave your politics outside.

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 08, 2021, 06:18:39 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 08, 2021, 05:12:10 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 08, 2021, 04:58:28 PM
Yep, here we have the self-described free speech advocates expressing a need for safe spaces (based on this basic definition: The goal of a safe space is to provide a place where people are not subject to the biases, discrimination, and criticism of the outside world). This seems utterly hypocritical, but wait...these same people are always saying it's the other side that's built on hypocrisy. It's just so hard to be an ultra-right gamer these days, isn't it? Maybe the new "MAGACon" needs to plan on providing emotional support animals too.

Hey, they're welcome to show up if they can keep their attention on the subject at hand; having fun playing games.

Not wanting your time wasted by some asshole's verbal diarrhea =/= needs a safe space.

Ironically, have you noticed how many of the posters here cannot stick to posting about gaming when on the gaming part of this forum? They tend to waste a lot of people's time too.

Because they force you to click, read and respond to those posts right? At gun point maybe?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 08, 2021, 06:35:45 PM
Because they force you to click, read and respond to those posts right? At gun point maybe?

The SJWs that you cry about don't do that either.

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 08, 2021, 07:06:13 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 08, 2021, 06:35:45 PM
Because they force you to click, read and respond to those posts right? At gun point maybe?

The SJWs that you cry about don't do that either.

Correct, they only get in, infest the conventions and have anyone not woke banned, unless you keep your mouth shut, walk on eggs and say: "yes massa."

But you damn well know it's not about ideology, it's about their actions, and since we know they ALWAYS do the same it's reasonable and noble to keep them out.

But, please do keep crying how we're talking about gatekeeping the locustus.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 08, 2021, 04:25:34 PM
Compare that to dwarves, who are commonly coded as Scottish. With accents.

A Scot without an accent is just a pasty Englishman with a bad diet.

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 08, 2021, 04:58:28 PM
Yep, here we have the self-described free speech advocates expressing a need for safe spaces (based on this basic definition: The goal of a safe space is to provide a place where people are not subject to the biases, discrimination, and criticism of the outside world). This seems utterly hypocritical, but wait...these same people are always saying it's the other side that's built on hypocrisy. It's just so hard to be an ultra-right gamer these days, isn't it? Maybe the new "MAGACon" needs to plan on providing emotional support animals too.

Honey! HappyDaze has filled his diaper again! It's your turn to clean it up!

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 08, 2021, 01:30:50 PM


By his own writings, Orcs aren't Mongols, but degraded and repulsive versions of Mongols.
...

Mongol, Schmongol...

Everyone knows that the Orc's of Myth and Legend are man's remnant memory of Neanderthals.

Put on your tinfoil hats kids, we're going for a ride!

https://treeofwoe.substack.com/p/when-orcs-were-real

Quote from: WHEN ORCS WERE REAL on July 08, 2021, 01:30:50 PM
Neanderthals were apex predators. Analysis of isotopes of bone collage has shown that Neanderthal diet was 97% meat. They are estimated to have eaten 4.1 lbs of fresh meat per day. Ample evidence exists to show they used stone-tipped wooden spears to hunt. From the bones littering their caves, we know Neanderthals hunted woolly mammoths, giant cave bears, woolly rhinos, bison, wolves, and even cave lions - the most dangerous and lethal animals on earth.

Neanderthals were cannibals. A number of Neanderthal sites reveal bones that have been cut and cracked open to extract the marrow. While this hypothesis was initially rejected a recent find at El Sidron in Spain revealed numerous Neanderthal skeletons with the unmistakable marks of butchery by cannibals wielding hand axes, knives, and scrapers.

Neanderthals had more robust bones and heavier musculature than Homo Sapiens. They weighed 25% more. They were so heavily muscled that their skeletons had to develop extra thick bones. "One of the most characteristic features of the Neanderthals is the exaggerated massiveness of their trunk and limb bones. All of the preserved bones suggest a strength seldom attained by modern humans..." (quoting paleoanthropologist Erik Trinkaus). "A healthy Neanderthal male could lift an average NFL linebacker over his head and throw him through the goalposts." Neanderthals also evolved extremely thick skulls - "postcranial hyper-robusticity" — that protected them in close-quarter confrontation with prey. They all had kyphosis, with hunched backs, that gave them a distinct profile and gait.

Neanderthal teeth were twice as large as human teeth. According to 2008 anthropologist research, their mouths could open much wider than human mouths, enabling them to take extremely large bites. Judging by the size of the jaw, they had tremendous bite force.

Neanderthals evolved in Ice Age Europe and had specific adaptations to that climate. They had short limbs, large noses, and compact torsos. Most importantly, they were covered with thick fur!

Since no Neanderthal cadaver survives, this point cannot be proven. But Vendramini points out that every primate except Homo Sapiens is covered with fur, and that every cold-adapted mammal during the Ice Ages had thick fur, including mammals that were hairless in Africa, such as the elephant and rhinoceros. There is no reason to believe Neanderthals were hairless except for our desire for them to look like us. The only way Neanderthals could have survived in the Ice Age without fur was if they made thick, protective clothes. Archeologist Mark White points out "Neanderthal clothing would have needed to be more than the ragged loincloth... of popular depiction. Some form of tailoring would have been required..." But Neanderthal sites have yielded "no evidence of needlecraft technology." They weren't making clothes — because they had fur.

The Neanderthal that Vendramini describes is thus a terrifying creature: A hunched cannibalistic predator with large, shining eyes and an animalistic snout, covered by thick fur and massive muscles, built for close combat, hunting by night, with a brutish and guttural voice, and a huge mouth with huge teeth and powerful jaws. It didn't look like Fred Flintstone. It looked like this:



That, my friends, is an orc. Or a bugbear. Or an ogre. Whatever it is, it's been appearing in our myths and legends for thousands of years. It's the great enemy.

Next time the Orcs = Blacks discussion comes up again on a SJW forum, just cut and paste...

I was unclear earlier, my bad. I'm not thinking of places that don't put up with the sjw bullshit that can be used as safe redoubts, I'm thinking of places where we can expand out from and use to spread the hobby of gaming plus counter all of the lies being told about gaming in the past.

As was said upthread by tenbones and Steven Mitchell

Quote from: tenbones on July 08, 2021, 10:15:36 AM
... what defines an oasis is the fact it's surrounded by a vast desert.

I suspect it's less about us finding other oases than us learning how to irrigate. There is a LOT of desert to green. It's time for us to put on our Stillsuits, and take back what's ours and bring the rest of people to us. It took a long time to get to this point, it will take a long time to get out.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on July 08, 2021, 03:54:25 PM

People whose minds are living in ivory towers get really confused when the barbarians get in amongst them and then the defenestrations start. 

To me, most existing towers and other bastions should be written off as lost causes.  Not only from an effective strategy standpoint but also from the sheer practical nature of the thing.  So the idea is not to try to retake bastions that are completely undermined but rather to establish new bastions that do what the old bastions were supposed to do but haven't in ages.  For games, the easiest, best, and--coincidentally also the most fun--is to run a good game yourself, get other people interested, and get them running games. 

You don't need an online presence for that.  If you grow enough such that you do need one, don't put it on FB or the like.

So if going out and introducing people to either new games, or even different ways to play the old games that they are accustomed to, then what are the best methods to do this? Put on some Game Days at the local FLGS/Public Library/Community Center/Church/whatever? Mini-cons? Small conventions? How do we gather resources to do this in an affordable manner? Where are those resources found?

Gawd help me, but I am trying to not view this as a "points of Light" campaign in the Real World.

Quote from: jeff37923 on July 08, 2021, 08:16:27 PM
So if going out and introducing people to either new games, or even different ways to play the old games that they are accustomed to, then what are the best methods to do this? Put on some Game Days at the local FLGS/Public Library/Community Center/Church/whatever? Mini-cons? Small conventions? How do we gather resources to do this in an affordable manner? Where are those resources found?

I can relate some of the methods that have worked well in various indie gaming / story games contexts - which I think might apply to OSR or more broadly traditional games. Obviously, different game styles might call for different organizing, but I can at least relate the experience.

(1) Game Days at local FLGS or other public space -- I've done a bunch of these - notably at FLGS, at a gaming coffee shop in Oakland, and at my local library. Depending on the advertising and the venue, they've worked pretty well. The game store or other venue typically appreciate the interest. This is basically the same thing as a mini-con. The string of events has typically ended when the people volunteering to organize run out of steam, which they inevitably do. On the other hand, nothing lasts forever, and I think they did some good introducing people to games. Asking people to pay some fee can be good for countering organizer burnout. People should be rewarded for their time and effort organizing.

(2) More private meetup-type events -- I loved a series we did called "Nerdly Beach Party" where people who met online went camping together on the California coast and played various indie games. This approach has less public visibility, but can keep up interest and help bond people working together on a forum. Depending on geography, something like this could be done for this forum. I've done that in the past with members of past forums, and it's been fun. I'd love to try gaming with some of the people here. Maybe someone could start a thread about doing some sort of theRPGsite real-life meetup event?

(3) Con-within-a-con -- some people might be leery of this because it's working with existing conventions, but I've seen some pretty successful organizing by creating a sheltered space within another convention. I've seen a few of these, and it's similar to Adventurer's league or other organized play. You have a separate organization and space within a convention, and people can try out the alternative. A common approach for indie games was "Games On Demand" - where instead of signing up slots in advance, you made sure you had enough GMs to run different games in the theme, and then players who were wandering around the con could get hooked into playing. My son tried Dungeon Crawl Classics in a local convention as open gaming in a local convention, for example - this is just taking that to the next level. Get a handful of OSR GMs together, and you have some leverage to get your own con space.

Need a oasis, then jump onto my discord servers.  We have a filter room to weed out the sjws and bots.  Just pm me.

Quote from: jeff37923 on July 08, 2021, 08:16:27 PM
I was unclear earlier, my bad. I'm not thinking of places that don't put up with the sjw bullshit that can be used as safe redoubts, I'm thinking of places where we can expand out from and use to spread the hobby of gaming plus counter all of the lies being told about gaming in the past.

If you had said this in the beginning, I'd have been all for it. By all means, spread your word and see if others go for it. What I was calling out was what was essentially "where can we go so we don't have to be afraid of them interfering" which is is pretty much a safe space. I don't think safe spaces are a good idea in general (there are some specific, limited situations where they may be useful), and that applies here too. Not sorry if me calling it for what it is tweaked your taint.

Greetings!

My game table is an SJW-Free Zone. SJW's never even make it on the invite list. My game table is full of "Toxic Masculinity", T-Rexes, Tequila, fine cigars, pipe tobacco, and most everything that drives SJW's to shriek in hysterical despair.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: jeff37923 on July 08, 2021, 09:00:35 AM
OK, from a few other threads here, there seems to be enough of us in agreement that we need places where we can discuss RPG stuff without fear of being overly annoyed by the sjw mob. So where are these places located? What websites have not been so overrun by the woke, that we can gather and discuss gaming subjects without undue interference?

Obviously, there is this forum, but what other places are there out there?

Unfortunately, this forum has also been destroyed by the SJWs, albeit indirectly. TheRPGSite used to be the greatest forum for RPG discussion from 2006 to around 2010-2012, but it is now just a shadow of its former self - because we barely talk about games any longer. Look at the threads on display, and it is 90% politics or politics-adjacent. Ten years ago, this place had a message, and actual good, insightful discussions on the practical questions of gaming.

I recognise this is a change that came from outside - the woke invasion of geek hobbies and the great subversion of the Internet is like a Mongol Horde rolling over the gaming landscape - but it did affect the place, and not for the better. Not saying I am not part of the problem, but the problem is there. Every hour we spend bitching about how horrible it is out there, we are not spending on making this place a shining beacon of gaming greatness.

Quote from: Melan on July 09, 2021, 04:33:10 AM

Quote from: jeff37923 on July 08, 2021, 09:00:35 AM
OK, from a few other threads here, there seems to be enough of us in agreement that we need places where we can discuss RPG stuff without fear of being overly annoyed by the sjw mob. So where are these places located? What websites have not been so overrun by the woke, that we can gather and discuss gaming subjects without undue interference?

Obviously, there is this forum, but what other places are there out there?

Unfortunately, this forum has also been destroyed by the SJWs, albeit indirectly. TheRPGSite used to be the greatest forum for RPG discussion from 2006 to around 2010-2012, but it is now just a shadow of its former self - because we barely talk about games any longer. Look at the threads on display, and it is 90% politics or politics-adjacent. Ten years ago, this place had a message, and actual good, insightful discussions on the practical questions of gaming.

I recognise this is a change that came from outside - the woke invasion of geek hobbies and the great subversion of the Internet is like a Mongol Horde rolling over the gaming landscape - but it did affect the place, and not for the better. Not saying I am not part of the problem, but the problem is there. Every hour we spend bitching about how horrible it is out there, we are not spending on making this place a shining beacon of gaming greatness.

Greetings!

Well said, Melan!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Shasarak on July 08, 2021, 05:48:06 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 08, 2021, 01:39:48 PM

Quote from: Gameogre on July 08, 2021, 10:12:30 AM
This is it. Out of my entire forum list for 20 years.

Every other forum has been taken by the Wightwokers.

I didn't even know about this place. I fled here.

There's one other place, in my opinion.

Are you familiar with New Zealand agriculture?

You know I thought you actually meant NZ agriculture there for a second.

It's a silly place at times, I admit.

'This is Liberty Hall. You can spit on the mat, and call the cat a bastard.'

Quote from: Jaeger on July 08, 2021, 08:02:39 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 08, 2021, 01:30:50 PM


By his own writings, Orcs aren't Mongols, but degraded and repulsive versions of Mongols.
...

Mongol, Schmongol...

Everyone knows that the Orc's of Myth and Legend are man's remnant memory of Neanderthals.

Put on your tinfoil hats kids, we're going for a ride!

https://treeofwoe.substack.com/p/when-orcs-were-real

Quote from: WHEN ORCS WERE REAL on July 08, 2021, 01:30:50 PM
Neanderthals were apex predators. Analysis of isotopes of bone collage has shown that Neanderthal diet was 97% meat. They are estimated to have eaten 4.1 lbs of fresh meat per day. Ample evidence exists to show they used stone-tipped wooden spears to hunt. From the bones littering their caves, we know Neanderthals hunted woolly mammoths, giant cave bears, woolly rhinos, bison, wolves, and even cave lions - the most dangerous and lethal animals on earth.

Neanderthals were cannibals. A number of Neanderthal sites reveal bones that have been cut and cracked open to extract the marrow. While this hypothesis was initially rejected a recent find at El Sidron in Spain revealed numerous Neanderthal skeletons with the unmistakable marks of butchery by cannibals wielding hand axes, knives, and scrapers.

Neanderthals had more robust bones and heavier musculature than Homo Sapiens. They weighed 25% more. They were so heavily muscled that their skeletons had to develop extra thick bones. "One of the most characteristic features of the Neanderthals is the exaggerated massiveness of their trunk and limb bones. All of the preserved bones suggest a strength seldom attained by modern humans..." (quoting paleoanthropologist Erik Trinkaus). "A healthy Neanderthal male could lift an average NFL linebacker over his head and throw him through the goalposts." Neanderthals also evolved extremely thick skulls - "postcranial hyper-robusticity" — that protected them in close-quarter confrontation with prey. They all had kyphosis, with hunched backs, that gave them a distinct profile and gait.

Neanderthal teeth were twice as large as human teeth. According to 2008 anthropologist research, their mouths could open much wider than human mouths, enabling them to take extremely large bites. Judging by the size of the jaw, they had tremendous bite force.

Neanderthals evolved in Ice Age Europe and had specific adaptations to that climate. They had short limbs, large noses, and compact torsos. Most importantly, they were covered with thick fur!

Since no Neanderthal cadaver survives, this point cannot be proven. But Vendramini points out that every primate except Homo Sapiens is covered with fur, and that every cold-adapted mammal during the Ice Ages had thick fur, including mammals that were hairless in Africa, such as the elephant and rhinoceros. There is no reason to believe Neanderthals were hairless except for our desire for them to look like us. The only way Neanderthals could have survived in the Ice Age without fur was if they made thick, protective clothes. Archeologist Mark White points out "Neanderthal clothing would have needed to be more than the ragged loincloth... of popular depiction. Some form of tailoring would have been required..." But Neanderthal sites have yielded "no evidence of needlecraft technology." They weren't making clothes — because they had fur.

The Neanderthal that Vendramini describes is thus a terrifying creature: A hunched cannibalistic predator with large, shining eyes and an animalistic snout, covered by thick fur and massive muscles, built for close combat, hunting by night, with a brutish and guttural voice, and a huge mouth with huge teeth and powerful jaws. It didn't look like Fred Flintstone. It looked like this:



That, my friends, is an orc. Or a bugbear. Or an ogre. Whatever it is, it's been appearing in our myths and legends for thousands of years. It's the great enemy.

Next time the Orcs = Blacks discussion comes up again on a SJW forum, just cut and paste...

Jesus Christ that's horrifying, Jaeger. I'm going to save that and spring it on my players.