Quote from: oggsmash on October 16, 2021, 08:15:36 PM
  Oh I get it, they moved their toy production to only 50 percent in china to move more production to the union heavy nations of India and Vietnam....https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/23/hasbro-to-cut-china-production-of-its-toys-looks-to-india-and-vietnam.html

   Union made, GTFO

Counter-evidence. The plot thickens.

Might it be that piece-parts are made in China, and the final products (Hasbro branded games and toys) are assembled in the US?

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Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on October 15, 2021, 03:32:42 AM
Nothing good about unions.

A collective bargaining agreement can keep your employer from being able to force you to get vaccinated (e.g., Teachers Unions -- ironically).

  So can growing a set of balls.

Unfortunately "growing a set of balls" won't keep you employed when you refuse to get vaccinated.

  Part of growing a set of balls is you go out and make yourself a job if the job you have is demanding things you do not want to do.  I do not fault anyone who wants to keep the job they have, for the money they make.    But...if there was ever a time to be consumed by the entrepreneur spirit....

If only it was that easy. Most people (me included) are either not smart enough, don't have the skill set, the imagination, and/or the personality to be an entrepreneur.

Moreover, not all endeavors are executed via entrepreneurs. In my field (R&D engineering in the national laboratories complex), the vast majority of people work for the large LLC that runs lab they work at. I have known a handful of people that have "grown a set of balls" and started their own company. In all of the cases I know of, the key ingredient wasn't balls, rather it was having a wife (preferably non-white/non-asian) as a co-owner. It also helped to have internal connections to the people that contracted out work.

Hence, at least for some a union would be a more viable alternative. Not that a union doesn't have its downsides.

That said, I agree with, "...if there was ever a time to be consumed by the entrepreneur spirit....".

  I disagree, the key ingredient WAS balls...I never said all you need is balls.  Like the saying goes, gonads have a specific purpose, and that purpose does not replace brains.  Sounds to me like the people you speak of also took the time to look into how the game was played, got their ducks in a row, and played the game.   But I understand how people can certainly be locked into a salary in certain jobs (those sweet golden handcuffs), what I have noticed is the talent/ability to be a successful entrepreneur often gets pushed by need more than desire.   I for see a time when there is going to be a need, rather than desire.

I guess instead of marrying for love, I should have included on my punch-list being a minority that would get my future company a place at the government hog-trough. 

But even with that, an entrepreneur I would never had been. My original professional goal was to build rockets to kill commies. Not something you are going to do in your garage as a start-up. Conversely, my hetro life-mate from graduate school went on to become an entrepreneur. One year, I watched him finance his company with 0% cash advances (life-time of balance) from about two-dozen credit cards. I don't have the stomach (or the balls) for that.

Good for Baizou.

Gonna be fun to see what the owners do.

My bet? Sell the company and walk away with the cash.

Quote from: Spinachcat on October 16, 2021, 09:33:03 PM
Good for Baizou.

Gonna be fun to see what the owners do.

My bet? Sell the company and walk away with the cash.

Having cash after the sale assumes that the company assets are worth more on the open market than it carries in liabilities. My completely un-expert opinion based on no data is that is doubtful. Anyone with expertise and/or data want to weigh in.

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I have a Paizo account that I use to get old issues of Dragon and Dungeon magazine, as well as other PDF products that are only sold on the Paizo store. It would be really, really annoying if the company sinks.

Download now, while you still can

I haven't bought all the magazine issues and don't have the money to do so in the foreseeable future

I believe the Internet Archive has the full print run.

Quote from: Spinachcat on October 16, 2021, 09:33:03 PM
Good for Baizou.

Gonna be fun to see what the owners do.

My bet? Sell the company and walk away with the cash.

Lisa Stevens has just retired a little while ago. Smart.

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I have a Paizo account that I use to get old issues of Dragon and Dungeon magazine, as well as other PDF products that are only sold on the Paizo store. It would be really, really annoying if the company sinks.

Download now, while you still can

I haven't bought all the magazine issues and don't have the money to do so in the foreseeable future

I hear that Paizo is looking for writers to fill in for an emergency.

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Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on October 15, 2021, 03:32:42 AM
Nothing good about unions.

A collective bargaining agreement can keep your employer from being able to force you to get vaccinated (e.g., Teachers Unions -- ironically).

  So can growing a set of balls.

Unfortunately "growing a set of balls" won't keep you employed when you refuse to get vaccinated.

  Part of growing a set of balls is you go out and make yourself a job if the job you have is demanding things you do not want to do.  I do not fault anyone who wants to keep the job they have, for the money they make.    But...if there was ever a time to be consumed by the entrepreneur spirit....

If only it was that easy. Most people (me included) are either not smart enough, don't have the skill set, the imagination, and/or the personality to be an entrepreneur.

Moreover, not all endeavors are executed via entrepreneurs. In my field (R&D engineering in the national laboratories complex), the vast majority of people work for the large LLC that runs lab they work at. I have known a handful of people that have "grown a set of balls" and started their own company. In all of the cases I know of, the key ingredient wasn't balls, rather it was having a wife (preferably non-white/non-asian) as a co-owner. It also helped to have internal connections to the people that contracted out work.

Hence, at least for some a union would be a more viable alternative. Not that a union doesn't have its downsides.

That said, I agree with, "...if there was ever a time to be consumed by the entrepreneur spirit....".

  I disagree, the key ingredient WAS balls...I never said all you need is balls.  Like the saying goes, gonads have a specific purpose, and that purpose does not replace brains.  Sounds to me like the people you speak of also took the time to look into how the game was played, got their ducks in a row, and played the game.   But I understand how people can certainly be locked into a salary in certain jobs (those sweet golden handcuffs), what I have noticed is the talent/ability to be a successful entrepreneur often gets pushed by need more than desire.   I for see a time when there is going to be a need, rather than desire.

I guess instead of marrying for love, I should have included on my punch-list being a minority that would get my future company a place at the government hog-trough. 

But even with that, an entrepreneur I would never had been. My original professional goal was to build rockets to kill commies. Not something you are going to do in your garage as a start-up. Conversely, my hetro life-mate from graduate school went on to become an entrepreneur. One year, I watched him finance his company with 0% cash advances (life-time of balance) from about two-dozen credit cards. I don't have the stomach (or the balls) for that.

  I have a student, who was a civil engineer.  He got fired from a small town (and I mean small, like fewer than 1500 residents), decided he was done working for other people and started a company in his garage  (around something not really related at all to his professional training).  18 years later he sold his company for 80 million dollars, and this company was paying him over 3 million a year in earnings and salary when he did it.   He told me he never saw himself as an entrepreneur, he just sort of got fed up to a point and felt it was a need rather than something he wanted to be or do.  I suggest to one, not sell yourself short, two - do not be myopic in regards to what a business someone runs relative to their background, three - I am not speaking about this in personal terms.  If you do not feel comfortable going out and starting a business - no worries, just people often say they can not do things, until they have no choice but to do a thing.  As for the spouse, well there are A LOT of ways to make use of those sweet federal preferences for female or minority owned businesses, and many ways to get a business partner that is not necessarily your wife.  Though that last part being said, I am not so sure I would want to sail waters so murky they have that as a required ticket to admission.   

  I have a lot to say about funding any start up business from massive use of credit as well, but I will sum it up to say if you feel that is how you have to fund a business...do not start a business.

Edited to add:  That however is just my personal stance on credit...how did it turn out for your buddy from grad school?  I have seen people have wild success with nutty leveraged starts like that (though IMO the emotional stress mashes a whole lot of them).   

  Edited to add one more thing:  I realize from us talking...you are a fucking rocket scientist.  Trust me, from watching lots of people have success in start ups, if you decided it was something you had to do, you would have whatever level of success you wanted to achieve.   Really smart people tend to do shy away more readily from starting businesses because one of the curses of that big brain is looking at the analysis around what can go wrong.  But again, this is not meant to be a personal discussion, I think if you like what you do and want to keep doing what you do for the people you do it for, more power to you.   I think there is nothing wrong with feeling fulfilled in a career,  hopefully you don't take my blunt comments as a criticism of your decisions or positions, as I do not intend for them to be such.   I am guilty of having a worldview that completely lacks nuance at times, but I was not attempting to apply all situations in my point of view, just what my own actions would be.

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I have a Paizo account that I use to get old issues of Dragon and Dungeon magazine, as well as other PDF products that are only sold on the Paizo store. It would be really, really annoying if the company sinks.

Download now, while you still can

I haven't bought all the magazine issues and don't have the money to do so in the foreseeable future

I hear that Paizo is looking for writers to fill in for an emergency.

I wonder if they'd be desperate enough to let Pundit, Zak, and Venger take a crack at their stuff.

The screeching from the wokeists would be legendary, if nothing else

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Quote from: Horace on October 15, 2021, 09:58:42 PM
Psst. All Hasro-branded games and toys are union-made.

Where do you get that idea? A lot of it's made in China, and China doesn't have unions.

You don't make anything in China without the involvement of the All-China Federation of Trade Unions.

If I owned Paizo and before they voted on the union...
I would put out that I was looking to sell the all the rights to Pathfinder and Starfinder to another company.

Quote from: Jaeger on October 16, 2021, 06:30:21 PM
UPDATE: UNITED PAIZO WORKERS SAYS TRANS RIGHTS

Why?

Because.. umm, uhh, WTF, hell if I know!


Anyway, they Transplain:
https://unitedpaizoworkers.org/2021/10/15/united-paizo-workers-says-trans-rights/

Quote from: BAIZUO Tranny's of the World UNITE! on October 15, 2021, 09:37:36 PM
Some of you have noticed that in our announcements about the formation of United Paizo Workers (UPW), we haven't gone into detail about the accusations toward Paizo leadership that have circulated over the past month. This isn't because we don't believe them or don't take them seriously; instead, our focus has been on building momentum and sharing the positives the union will bring to our team.

That being said, we have had some folks ask where we stand on the allegations of transphobia at Paizo. We'd like to take a moment to state firmly that UPW is a pro-trans union, with a fair number of trans people on the roster, including in the organizing committee. We believe unionizing is the best way forward to protecting trans employees (and all employees) at Paizo, and we regard all accusations of transphobia with the utmost seriousness. No one is safe and represented until we all are, and that's what forming a union is all about.

Thank you all so much for your tremendous outpouring of love and support over the past couple days. Stay strong and don't split the party!

Baizuo is so fucked...

So, just what is a FAIR number? Because by general population you're looking at one trans-person per 200 employees.

But of course that's not what they mean by fair. They actually mean "replace any and all combinations of straight, white and male from the business."

Quote from: Chris24601 on October 17, 2021, 10:31:15 AM
So, just what is a FAIR number? Because by general population you're looking at one trans-person per 200 employees.

I believe Paizo has 142 employees. 
So the need to fire all but one of their trans employees in order to maintain accurate demographics.
;-)

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So, just what is a FAIR number? Because by general population you're looking at one trans-person per 200 employees.

I believe Paizo has 142 employees. 
So the need to fire all but one of their trans employees in order to maintain accurate demographics.
;-)

National demographics? Or demographics in the local area?

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Quote from: Chris24601 on October 17, 2021, 10:31:15 AM
So, just what is a FAIR number? Because by general population you're looking at one trans-person per 200 employees.

I believe Paizo has 142 employees. 
So the need to fire all but one of their trans employees in order to maintain accurate demographics.
;-)

National demographics? Or demographics in the local area?

Netflix demographics.