Sincerely good luck to them. I am skeptical that this works out well for either Paizo or the employees.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on October 14, 2021, 08:11:58 PM
Fuck man. Tell all the companies I've submitted applications, that.

I'm about two weeks from getting a McJob out of desperation.

It's a weird economy.

Quote from: Pat on October 14, 2021, 07:47:01 PM
We should start a bankruptcy pool.

Now, this is the kind of sour-faced, bitter, mean-spirited game that I love.

Hmm. I'll open the bidding on March 2023.

By then, any sales spurt they may have seen from PF2e will have well and truly evaporated;
They will have given it "one last Gencon" to see if whatever shit product they have released will turn things around; by then it will be clear it won't;
Financial conditions will be tightening (Fed hike);
They will be staring down the barrel of corporate income tax filing in April

(Couldn't interest you in a round of celebrity death bingo, could I?)

EDIT: I had flagged D&D5.5e as a factor hammering them but that won't be til 2024. Which is an argument against my date, but I'll stick with it.

Nothing good about unions.

My experience with unions was they took a chunk of my paycheck every time and did nothing when anyone was injured or needed help or were being overworked to death.

So whenever someone calls for a union I get really suspicious as it likely means someones going to pocket the money.

Popcorn intensifies!

I have a friend that does a lot of consulting work with the aircraft manufacturing industry. He spends a lot of time on the shop floor working with the (unionized) guys operating the machines. As he puts it, "A company gets the union it deserves."

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on October 15, 2021, 03:32:42 AM
Nothing good about unions.

A collective bargaining agreement can keep your employer from being able to force you to get vaccinated (e.g., Teachers Unions -- ironically).

 I do not see this ending well for BAIZUO or the employees. I now expect the wokeness to intensify beyond all measure. I grew up in a Union Home and let me tell you when the union was on about something I got the brunt of it from my father. 

Quote from: Pat on October 14, 2021, 10:03:44 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on October 14, 2021, 08:11:58 PM
Fuck man. Tell all the companies I've submitted applications, that.

I'm about two weeks from getting a McJob out of desperation.

It's a weird economy.

  I dont think so, there are some jobs where being the wrong flavor puts you at the back of the line.  There are others where people will hire anyone who shows up and do not have time to ensure the "right flavors" are represented.  If you are in a situation where we are trying to ensure flavors (while back in school last year, EVERY day I was emailed about making sure I knew all the women and minorities knew all about IT career openings, and every tech class I had in person the instructor did the exact same thing) career wise I think it is a tricky situation.  If you are some other situations, like actually need any job you can get, you will get a job in under 2 minutes.

Quote from: dkabq on October 15, 2021, 08:20:39 AM

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on October 15, 2021, 03:32:42 AM
Nothing good about unions.

A collective bargaining agreement can keep your employer from being able to force you to get vaccinated (e.g., Teachers Unions -- ironically).

  So can growing a set of balls.

Quote from: oggsmash on October 15, 2021, 08:59:44 AM

Quote from: dkabq on October 15, 2021, 08:20:39 AM

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on October 15, 2021, 03:32:42 AM
Nothing good about unions.

A collective bargaining agreement can keep your employer from being able to force you to get vaccinated (e.g., Teachers Unions -- ironically).

  So can growing a set of balls.

Unfortunately "growing a set of balls" won't keep you employed when you refuse to get vaccinated.

Quote from: dkabq on October 15, 2021, 09:43:17 AM

Quote from: oggsmash on October 15, 2021, 08:59:44 AM

Quote from: dkabq on October 15, 2021, 08:20:39 AM

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on October 15, 2021, 03:32:42 AM
Nothing good about unions.

A collective bargaining agreement can keep your employer from being able to force you to get vaccinated (e.g., Teachers Unions -- ironically).

  So can growing a set of balls.

Unfortunately "growing a set of balls" won't keep you employed when you refuse to get vaccinated.

There's a protest locally for a HS coach who allegedly got fired for being unvaxxed, despite having some (heart?) condition that prevented her from doing so. I'm going to be looking for more details before I get too worked up over it, but we do have a really shitty school board and superintendent,  so it's Plausible.

Quote from: dkabq on October 15, 2021, 09:43:17 AM

Quote from: oggsmash on October 15, 2021, 08:59:44 AM

Quote from: dkabq on October 15, 2021, 08:20:39 AM

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on October 15, 2021, 03:32:42 AM
Nothing good about unions.

A collective bargaining agreement can keep your employer from being able to force you to get vaccinated (e.g., Teachers Unions -- ironically).

  So can growing a set of balls.

Unfortunately "growing a set of balls" won't keep you employed when you refuse to get vaccinated.

  Part of growing a set of balls is you go out and make yourself a job if the job you have is demanding things you do not want to do.  I do not fault anyone who wants to keep the job they have, for the money they make.    But...if there was ever a time to be consumed by the entrepreneur spirit....

Quote from: oggsmash on October 15, 2021, 11:54:49 AM

Quote from: dkabq on October 15, 2021, 09:43:17 AM

Quote from: oggsmash on October 15, 2021, 08:59:44 AM

Quote from: dkabq on October 15, 2021, 08:20:39 AM

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on October 15, 2021, 03:32:42 AM
Nothing good about unions.

A collective bargaining agreement can keep your employer from being able to force you to get vaccinated (e.g., Teachers Unions -- ironically).

  So can growing a set of balls.

Unfortunately "growing a set of balls" won't keep you employed when you refuse to get vaccinated.

  Part of growing a set of balls is you go out and make yourself a job if the job you have is demanding things you do not want to do.  I do not fault anyone who wants to keep the job they have, for the money they make.    But...if there was ever a time to be consumed by the entrepreneur spirit....

If only it was that easy. Most people (me included) are either not smart enough, don't have the skill set, the imagination, and/or the personality to be an entrepreneur.

Moreover, not all endeavors are executed via entrepreneurs. In my field (R&D engineering in the national laboratories complex), the vast majority of people work for the large LLC that runs lab they work at. I have known a handful of people that have "grown a set of balls" and started their own company. In all of the cases I know of, the key ingredient wasn't balls, rather it was having a wife (preferably non-white/non-asian) as a co-owner. It also helped to have internal connections to the people that contracted out work.

Hence, at least for some a union would be a more viable alternative. Not that a union doesn't have its downsides.

That said, I agree with, "...if there was ever a time to be consumed by the entrepreneur spirit....".