Quote from: BedrockBrendan;627084This is true, but it also doesn't justify people being jerks about it either. I mean just because a woman posts her address on facebook that doesnt mean its okay to stalk her.

Has IRWS stalked James' wife because he re-posts her blog or facebook comments on his blog? I just want to make sure we are all clear on what stalking actually is. It's a pretty serious charge that shouldn't be thrown about willy-nilly.

Quote from: Endless Flight;627093Has IRWS stalked James' wife because he re-posts her blog or facebook comments on his blog? I just want to make sure we are all clear on what stalking actually is. It's a pretty serious charge that shouldn't be thrown about willy-nilly.

I stalked no one, the link was posted in the comment section of YDIS (http://yourdungeonissuck.wordpress.com/2013/01/05/are-you-there-bloodymage-its-me-ydis/#comment-5674) and here as well. I do not consider following a link provide by someone, stalking.

If you read the blog, you discover that James is busy catching up on pc games, buying new and interesting board games etc. These "daily tasks" are taking place during months of incommunicado and such self professed stressful times.

If you have the time for playing Borderlands 2 for months, you might have some time to update your backers, and even your partners. Heck you might also have time to do some of that work that's over a year late (being a stay at home father and all).

IRWS

Quote from: Endless Flight;627093Has IRWS stalked James' wife because he re-posts her blog or facebook comments on his blog? I just want to make sure we are all clear on what stalking actually is. It's a pretty serious charge that shouldn't be thrown about willy-nilly.

It's creepy, and it crosses the line.  You can add whatever other adjectives you like.

Saying "She posted it in public, so she deserves what she gets," sounds an awful lot to me like "She dressed like that in public, so she deserves what she gets".  His wife has nothing to do with this.  His kids have nothing to do with this.  She did not invite involvement in this - she does not even mention her husband's name, or this project.  Your investment in this Kickstarter does not give you the right to be creepy (and it's that much creepier if you are not even an investor, or already got your money back).  

If you don't understand why that behavior is creepy, then that's your own possibly-Asperger's issue. Your inability to comprehend basic social rules is not a justification for such behavior. Nor is your anonymity on the internet a justification for that kind of behavior.  A line is being crossed here.  Any normally socially adjusted human being should be able to see that right away.

Quote from: I run with scissors;627103I stalked no one, the link was posted in the comment section of YDIS

By someone stalking her, not by her.  Are you really not understanding the issue here?

Quote from: Mistwell;627105It's creepy, and it crosses the line.  You can add whatever other adjectives you like.

Saying "She posted it in public, so she deserves what she gets," sounds an awful lot to me like "She dressed like that in public, so she deserves what she gets".  His wife has nothing to do with this.  His kids have nothing to do with this.  She did not invite involvement in this - she does not even mention her husband's name, or this project.  Your investment in this Kickstarter does not give you the right to be creepy (and it's that much creepier if you are not even an investor, or already got your money back).  

If you don't understand why that behavior is creepy, then that's your own possibly-Asperger's issue. Your inability to comprehend basic social rules is not a justification for such behavior. Nor is your anonymity on the internet a justification for that kind of behavior.  A line is being crossed here.  Any normally socially adjusted human being should be able to see that right away.

You're absolutely right. Reading this thread is starting to make me feel depressed about this site.

Quote from: Endless Flight;627093Has IRWS stalked James' wife because he re-posts her blog or facebook comments on his blog? I just want to make sure we are all clear on what stalking actually is. It's a pretty serious charge that shouldn't be thrown about willy-nilly.

Read my post, i never said anyone was stalking (if anyone is throwing around serious charges it is people accusing James of premeditated fraud). I said IRWS's behavior was creepy and used the facebook stalking example to show that the premise "I can do what I like because she posted something publicly" is flawed. How close to actual stalking behavior IRWS is getting I dont actually know, but he is certainly behaving in a way I consider innapropriate and I do think if I were in James wife's shoes I would be troubled that some guy is so obsessed about this he is examining her blog for details like christmas gift buying. It is creepy. Period.

Look, I agree that James has to be accountable for whatever he has done here, but that doesn't give people license to behave however they like.

Not to mention, a game console or iPad hardly costs 50K... so jumping from that to say "Oh it's the smoking gun showing the money's been blown"... that is ridiculously stupid and over-the-top, on its face, sorry to say. And since it is so ridiculous, it calls into question the kind of twisted mind-frame that makes one say such a thing, and makes the stalkish behavior all the more unsettling.

But really, could we leave his wife and kids out of this?

Quote from: Benoist;627123But really, could we leave his wife and kids out of this?

Just the fact that you have to ask this, regarding an issue to do with a roleplaying game...well...


Humanity...

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;627118Look, I agree that James has to be accountable for whatever he has done here, but that doesn't give people license to behave however they like.

I wasn't interested in deciding whether Scissor is strange or "creepy". You guys can all debate that. My only issue was whether quoting somebody else's blog/internet/facebook posts and using them for other purposes is considered "stalking". If that's true, then stalking is very rampant online.

Quote from: Endless Flight;627127I wasn't interested in deciding whether Scissor is strange or "creepy". You guys can all debate that. My only issue was whether quoting somebody else's blog/internet/facebook posts and using them for other purposes is considered "stalking". If that's true, then stalking is very rampant online.

It is very rampant online.

Just because the Facebook generation is doing its best to normalize such behavior doesn't make it not stalking.

Quote from: Endless Flight;627127I wasn't interested in deciding whether Scissor is strange or "creepy". You guys can all debate that. My only issue was whether quoting somebody else's blog/internet/facebook posts and using them for other purposes is considered "stalking". If that's true, then stalking is very rampant online.

Stalking has multiple deinitions dpening on hows its used. Here is the wikipedia definition: "Stalking is a term commonly used to refer to unwanted or obsessive attention by an individual or group toward another person. Stalking behaviors are related to harassment and intimidation and may include following the victim in person or monitoring them. The word stalking is used, with some differing meanings, in psychology and psychiatry and also in some legal jurisdictions as a term for a criminal offense"

The issue isnt simply quoting someone it is that IRWS is monitoring James and his wifes activity online obsessively and he even seems to potentially going into the territory of harrasment. Whether he meets the legal deinition of stalking, you would have to ask a lawyer. But he certainly seems to meet the colloquial undertanding of the word.

Quote from: noisms;627115You're absolutely right. Reading this thread is starting to make me feel depressed about this site.

it's really only one or two people acting like creepy stalk-ery assholes. it should warm your heart to see that more people are pointing out that behavior for what it is and saying "hey, cut that shit out" rather than engaging in it.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;627133"Stalking is a term commonly used to refer to unwanted or obsessive attention by an individual or group toward another person.

Well, that sums up RWS in a nutshell I think.

Creeping around someone's wife's blog to get at personal information about her husband's life is deplorable, shameful behaviour.

I am with Mistwell on this, 100%. And I never thought I'd say that.

//Panjumanju

Quote from: Benoist;626927"Dwimmer" is a variation of "dwimor" and "dweomer", which indicates illusion, magic, spells and the like. Dweomercraft is the practice of magic. Dwimmer-mount is "that mountain which is magical/where magic/illusions/deception can be found."

That's a pretty evocative name.  I imagine most of the characters I've played would hear that and say "Let's go there!"

I wonder what sorts of iconic images come to mind from different people hearing that description?

Are the very walls magical? Can you trust anything you see there? What is the source of all this magic and illusion?

I remember one of my characters in 3e was a "Gnome Shadowcraft Mage".  It started as an experiment in min/maxing, but became a very evocative, role-playing intensive character inspired by the unpredictable direction the rule results were leading me.  " a shadowcraft mage is able to infuse some of his figments with material from the Plane of Shadow, making them partially real." It meant my character could, essentially, cast other spells using a basic illusion spell, and making it partially real, or even fully real, or theoretically hyper-real (theoretically doing even more damage than the original spell it was mimicking, though I never got that far).  So, I could use a heightened "minor image" spell to toss a fireball, and when it hit, it would do real damage.  

It was a build that came with tremendous flexibility.  But it created a philosophical dilemma with my character.  What was real? If illusions could be made to seem real, even with direct contact, even with smell and touch and taste and feel, so much so that they could kill you, then what was real, and what did disbelieving mean, and what was everything made of, and what was really the source of this power he was tapping into, and a whole host of maddening issues arose.  It was a set of powers that I played as driving my little gnome slowly insane.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, the description of what "Dwimmermount" could mean reminded me of that character.  I imagine the rumor of such a place would attract my character like a moth to a flame.  A mountain of illusion magic might contain the answers he was seeking, before it drove him mad.