Backers pissed at James M. and Dwimmermount

Spinachcat · February 07, 2013, 09:28:19 PM

Quote from: jeff37923;625939This Kickstarter proves to me that you should never back one unless you are willing to lose your backing money and that you should think twice about backing a Kickstarter for someone who appears to have mental issues.

Kickstarters are crapshoots. Its a gamble and backers need to treat it as such. Don't bet what you can't lose.

Clearly even established companies like SJG and Reaper did not budget their time well enough to meet their deadlines. Missed deadlines are the norm for Kickstarter and hopefully become less so in future years as more creators get a better understanding.

Quote from: ggroy;625972A huge element of narcissism seems to be a common personality trait of such individuals.

Anyone who dares to create something out of nothing needs a lot of vanity to believe their new thing is worth the attention of the world.

Quote from: Fiasco;625997Why is it that other prominent OSR crowdsource projects are running late (Raggi, Frog God Games, etc) and no-one is screaming blue murder?

Communication with the backers.

Black Vulmea · February 07, 2013, 09:32:11 PM

Quote from: Spinachcat;626161Anyone who dares to create something out of nothing needs a lot of vanity to believe their new thing is worth the attention of the world.

Very true.

Quote from: Spinachcat;626161Communication with the backers.

*DING!* Winnah!

JRT · February 07, 2013, 09:39:17 PM

QuoteYet, in the end, those, like us, who dare to look behind the curtain are the assholes.

Again, you can be correct and an asshole.

wmarshal, for instance, explains his grievance calmly and rationally. He is upset, and is actually doing something about it. Better yet, he respects other people's opinions. He's doing far more to show the other side than you are.

Also, if you want to convince people that you are correct, insulting the people who back the project by creating the GSS term is not the way to go about it--if anything they are more likely to rally around him than reject him. If you are truly trying to expose a problem or if you are trying to convince others, sarcasm and an antagonistic tone is not going to win you a lot of fans.

I run with scissors · February 07, 2013, 09:42:27 PM

Quote from: JRT;626169Again, you can be correct and an asshole.

:: eye roll ::

IRWS

ggroy · February 07, 2013, 09:52:13 PM

Quote from: JRT;626169Also, if you want to convince people that you are correct, insulting the people who back the project by creating the GSS term is not the way to go about it--if anything they are more likely to rally around him than reject him. If you are truly trying to expose a problem or if you are trying to convince others, sarcasm and an antagonistic tone is not going to win you a lot of fans.

There's different ways of approaching critique, whether calm and rational (such as BBC or CNN International) or confrontational and sarcastic (such as Fox or late night television shows).

In the end, it's a matter of personal taste and preferences.

Mistwell · February 07, 2013, 09:54:03 PM

Quote from: Settembrini;626075Oh say can you see,
where they mocked me a week ago?
they are gallantly defending
my points now.

Nobody is defending your idiot personal attacks on his manhood you short-bus rider. Do you see anyone mentioning him moving from a city in the U.S. to Canada? Do you see anyone mentioning his wife? Do you see anyone mentioning his manhood? No, because your points were stupid, bigoted, and wrong. And my saying that is not a defense of what he did - it's purely an analysis of what you did.

Mistwell · February 07, 2013, 10:03:01 PM

Quote from: I run with scissors;626170:: eye roll ::

IRWS

You rolling your eyes is not a response. He's correct. You can be (and are) an asshole even if you're right. What part of this are you not understanding? What makes you think "being correct" is mutually exclusive with "being an asshole"?

The primary complaint about you is that you are behaving like an asshole. N0T because of your positions, but because of the manner you're communicating your position. You're communicating like an asshole, and being called on it, and not dealing well with being called on it. Probably because you're an asshole.

I run with scissors · February 07, 2013, 10:19:22 PM

Quote from: Mistwell;626176You rolling your eyes is not a response. He's correct. You can be (and are) an asshole even if you're right. What part of this are you not understanding? What makes you think "being correct" is mutually exclusive with "being an asshole"?

The primary complaint about you is that you are behaving like an asshole. N0T because of your positions, but because of the manner you're communicating your position. You're communicating like an asshole, and being called on it, and not dealing well with being called on it. Probably because you're an asshole.

:: eye roll ::

IRWS wearing back socks with white shoes

VectorSigma · February 07, 2013, 10:19:43 PM

Quote from: Mistwell;626175Nobody is defending your idiot personal attacks on his manhood you short-bus rider.

No, because your points were stupid, bigoted, and wrong.

Good job taking the high road, Mistwell. Bravo.

Aos · February 07, 2013, 10:29:16 PM

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misterguignol · February 07, 2013, 10:40:54 PM

Quote from: VectorSigma;626181Good job taking the high road, Mistwell. Bravo.

I am glad we have Mistwell to tell us who we can mock and who is above mockery. Otherwise the world would be just too confusing.

Mistwell · February 07, 2013, 11:05:24 PM

Quote from: VectorSigma;626181Good job taking the high road, Mistwell. Bravo.

He made stupid personal attacks, and collectively as a group we responded "that's not appropriate", and now he is pretending people are agreeing with him when we are definitely not. We tried the high road with him, and he just didn't get it. So now I am trying the low road with him. 0ne method might sink in.

Fiasco · February 07, 2013, 11:08:15 PM

Quote from: Mistwell;626196He made stupid personal attacks, and collectively as a group we responded "that's not appropriate", and now he is pretending people are agreeing with him when we are definitely not. We tried the high road with him, and he just didn't get it. So now I am trying the low road with him. 0ne method might sink in.

IRWS performed a public service wih Dwimmermount.

Mistwell · February 07, 2013, 11:10:28 PM

Quote from: misterguignol;626190I am glad we have Mistwell to tell us who we can mock and who is above mockery. Otherwise the world would be just too confusing.

Fuck that. You can mock anyone you want. But when you take a debate about RPGs into attacking someone over how he relates to his wife and family, or his decision to move, you're off target. And when a bunch of your peers call you on it, and your remain oblivious, you should be called on that as well. Particularly when you're making those very personal bashes while you yourself remain anonymous so you don't risk any similar retaliation.

misterguignol · February 07, 2013, 11:12:58 PM

Quote from: Mistwell;626199Fuck that. You can mock anyone you want. But when you take a debate about RPGs into attacking someone over how he relates to his wife and family, or his decision to move, you're off target. And when a bunch of your peers call you on it, and your remain oblivious, you should be called on that as well. Particularly when you're making those very personal bashes while you yourself remain anonymous so you don't risk any similar retaliation.

Called on it by making fun of the handicapped. Good job, bro.