Nothing good has come from Twitter. I don't follow it unless it comes up somewhere else, so I don't particularly care what kind of dumb stuff people post on it. If Varg Vikernes or Hillary Clinton wrote a good RPG, I would buy them. However, I have no interest in games focused on pushing a particular brand of politics (even mine), and I am finding that blind ideologues have little useful to say on gaming. All those games with their identikit woke politics look boring as hell, and the assumed worlds behind the INCLOOOSIVE disclaimers display a poverty of imagination. I am fairly sure the same would apply to the hypothetical /pol/ RPG, if it existed.

Quote from: Melan;1058669Nothing good has come from Twitter. I don't follow it unless it comes up somewhere else, so I don't particularly care what kind of dumb stuff people post on it. If Varg Vikernes or Hillary Clinton wrote a good RPG, I would buy them. However, I have no interest in games focused on pushing a particular brand of politics (even mine), and I am finding that blind ideologues have little useful to say on gaming. All those games with their identikit woke politics look boring as hell, and the assumed worlds behind the INCLOOOSIVE disclaimers display a poverty of imagination. I am fairly sure the same would apply to the hypothetical /pol/ RPG, if it existed.

I think Hillary Clinton could* write an excellent political thriller RPG.

Also compared to the average SJW, she is a saint.

*Depends on her lawyers and if she was writing it to be a good RPG as opposed to a political statement.

Quote from: san dee jota;1058668"It's bad that D&D is too complex for women."

I'm highly suspicious that wasn't what was said.  (EDIT: I mean, I'd laugh my ass off it was)

He said, paraphrasing, that guys that hold on to rules complexity and lore complexity are gatekeepers trying to keep women out.

Also it's impossible to gate keeping or keep people from playing games. Nobody at Amazon is going to ask a question before anybody buys the books and nobody at any convention or basement will make people take a rules or lore quiz.

Quote from: Lurtch;1058672He said, paraphrasing, that guys that hold on to rules complexity and lore complexity are gatekeepers trying to keep women out.

wait now, so he's saying not only that guys may game in ways that happen to turn women away, but they do it with the GOAL of turning women away?

Okay, now I'm interested, can we have links please?

Quote from: Lurtch;1058673Also it's impossible to gate keeping or keep people from playing games. Nobody at Amazon is going to ask a question before anybody buys the books and nobody at any convention or basement will make people take a rules or lore quiz.

No argument here.  

It's basically the same argument a woman had about guys liking D&D and Monty Python was driving women out of STEM fields, and how men needed to modify things to make the fields more appealing to women.  An argument another -woman- shot down as sexist (to both genders) and domineering (what hobbies and interests -are- to be permitted?).  

I'd still love a direct quote though.

Quote from: sureshot;1058657Agreed and seconded. Maybe it's just me yet I always figured Lady Liberty to be well a clone of Wonder Woman. Imagine if DC ever did the same turn WW into a mentally ill, suffers with depression and violent mood swings character. They would have a huge backlash against them from the fans imo. I guess the devs don't have a clue to what a character who is supposed to be a spirit of hope and justice really means.

Well to be honest. DC hasn't known how to write for Wonder Woman for more than a decade.

They keep trying to turn her into a sword weilding Xena clone. Instead of letting her be the character it was at her most iconic take.

Quote from: Zirunel;1058674wait now, so he's saying not only that guys may game in ways that happen to turn women away, but they do it with the GOAL of turning women away?

It measures up though.  As a male, I enjoy complex mathematics and pedantic arguments over decades worth of obscure lore in my elf games.  Best not let any of "them" in on the Truth though, right bros?

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1058677Well to be honest. DC hasn't known how to write for Wonder Woman for more than a decade.

They keep trying to turn her into a sword weilding Xena clone. Instead of letting her be the character it was at her most iconic take.

A woman who exclaims "suffering Sappho" and is rendered helpless when tied up and spanked?

Personally speaking:

I play exactly one RPG, D&D. I play D&D because I'm a mainstream kinda guy, and I can't really be bothered to pay attention to niche products. Plus, it's easier to find games for D&D than the niche stuff.

That's changing soon. I'm switching everything over to ACKS because Jeremy Crawford's sexual obsessions are seeping into official WotC product. See, my big problem is that I'm really lazy. I don't care to draw up dungeons or world lore. I'm a busy man with more money than time, and what I want to do is pay creative people money so I can use their ideas instead of coming up with my own. It's not just WotC's product. 5e culture in general is becoming increasingly Seattle-sexual, and I'm just sick of it. Where WotC goes, the D&D world follows, and WotC is increasingly circling the SJW drain with its content.

Pretty much everything I buy now is either old TSR content or OSR content, because that's the only material that is reliably focused on slaying giants and raiding dragon hoards without sidebars about how to hook up with a gender-swapping elf at a Waterdeep bathhouse. You know what's easier than converting Against the Giants to 5e? Converting it to ACKS. Besides, I want to give my money to people who don't hate me.

TL; DR - I quit buying stuff when the politics of the producers start significantly affecting the product.

for me it was when Kevin Siembieda sent me a C&D letter about my website, without saying what it was I was infringing on (nothing BTW), so I removed all of it.

but for me, its not the publishers/authors views or actions (most of the time) it's their players...

Quote from: san dee jota;1058678It measures up though.  As a male, I enjoy complex mathematics and pedantic arguments over decades worth of obscure lore in my elf games.  Best not let any of "them" in on the Truth though, right bros?

Ha! Seriously though I'd like to see the source for Mearls extrapolating from your second sentence to your third.

Quote from: Lurtch;1058672He said, paraphrasing, that guys that hold on to rules complexity and lore complexity are gatekeepers trying to keep women out.

I don't think it works very well. Most of the 4e D&D fans I knew were women gear-head types (some lesbian, some not) who loved the crunch.

Of course, 5e's rejection of rules crunch could be Mearls-Crawford's sinister plot to drive lesbians out of the hobby, replacing them with gay men and voice actresses...

Quote from: Lurtch;1058672He said, paraphrasing, that guys that hold on to rules complexity and lore complexity are gatekeepers trying to keep women out.

So according to him women can't deal with complexity in a rpg and need everything dumbed down? How misogynistic of him.

Okay so it looks like this isn't from the last few weeks after all. I found some tweets that may be what we are talking about. The NRA/terrorist one was a year ago.

The gatekeeping one was back in January and reads:

QuoteFunny how many of the same "fans" who insist on gatekeeping via rules complexity and lore density also have a problem with women in tabletop gaming.

Hey guys! You're all fired from D&D. Find another game.