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Art in rpgs: Chainmail bikinis, bikini witches, "cheesecake" etc

Started by Nexus, January 21, 2013, 12:18:04 PM

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The Butcher

#165
January 25, 2013, 12:26:58 PM
Quote from: Nexus;621751Yeah, I fall more into "does it look cool?" camp. Realism is probably near the bottom when it comes to determining what I like in fantasy art. Generally, I find most "realistic" depictions of armor, weaponry, etc to be a bit dull.

A matter of taste, obviously. In my case, I'm a huge museum geek. We don't really have a lot of museums here, and the ones we do don't really have archaeological collections as ancient and as wide-ranging as American and European stalwarts such as the Louvre, the British Museum or the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

Seeing a badly worn 2000+ year old Greek makhairos, or a 12th-Century Arabic mail shirt with Quranic verses inscribed, or a 17th-Century musket, and wondering about the men who owned them and the battles they saw... this is the stuff that populates my fantasy-themed flights of fancy.

jhkim

#166
January 25, 2013, 12:45:41 PM
Quote from: gattsuru;621858A lot of feminist do feel that need.  If you put Andrea Dworkin and Ellen Willis in the same room, they'd not be singing songs and writing feminist books together: they'd be fighting to the death.  Sex-positive feminism is a relatively recent addition to the craft, and still an unfortunately controversial one.
It depends what you think of as recent, I suppose.  It's true that the original feminism that pushed through women's suffrage was also a very moralizing, linked to the Christian Temperance movement.  

However, much of 1960s feminism was very sex-positive, what with miniskirts and "free love" and so forth.  Feminist anti-pornography movements started later in the 1970s.  I don't think of 1960s as being "relatively recent".

flyerfan1991

#167
January 25, 2013, 01:22:09 PM
Quote from: jhkim;621886I don't think of 1960s as being "relatively recent".

You're making me feel old, man.

Nexus

#168
January 25, 2013, 03:04:52 PM
Quote from: Black Vulmea;621855Generally, I find the  attitude that most "realistic" depictions of armor, weaponry, etc to be a bit dull to be more than a bit dull.

Good thing that my preferences don't have to meet with your approval then.

QuoteBut I find most fantasy to be dull as shite anyway, so I guess that's to be expected.

As I think you said upthread "yay, diversity."
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Nexus

#169
January 25, 2013, 03:13:39 PM
Quote from: The Butcher;621873A matter of taste, obviously.

Absolutely and gaming is broad to encompass the range of preferences and should.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Novastar

#170
January 26, 2013, 02:01:26 AM
Quote from: flyerfan1991;621902You're making me feel old, man.
Are you yelling at young whippersnappers, to get off your lawn? :p ;)
Quote from: dragoner;776244Mechanical character builds remind me of something like picking the shoe in monopoly, it isn\'t what I play rpg\'s for.

Spinachcat

#171
January 26, 2013, 03:35:50 AM
I like boobies.

When this came up in another forum, I said that RPGs should stop using sex to sell their products as soon as Vogue does. Outside of porn, nobody uses as much hot dripping lady sexy bits to sell their shit more than fashion mags.

Sex sells...and everyone's buying!

James Gillen

#172
January 26, 2013, 03:38:00 AM
Quote from: gattsuru;621858A lot of feminist do feel that need.  If you put Andrea Dworkin and Ellen Willis in the same room, they'd not be singing songs and writing feminist books together: they'd be fighting to the death.

I was gonna start making cat noises here, but I thought better of it.

QuoteSome of the time, sure (and there are a good many poses that come a lot more comfortably for women than for men).  I don't think it's that common, though: there's not really a male equivalent to four inch heels.

The necktie.
The FUCKING necktie.

JG
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crkrueger

#173
January 26, 2013, 03:39:32 AM
Quote from: James Gillen;622097I was gonna start making cat noises here, but I thought better of it.



The necktie.
The FUCKING necktie.

JG

Yeah, high heels can't give you glaucoma.
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The Butcher

#174
January 26, 2013, 11:22:24 AM
Quote from: CRKrueger;622098Yeah, high heels can't give you glaucoma.

They can fuck up the feet and even the spine, though. And you can loosen that necktie a bit.

flyingcircus

#175
January 26, 2013, 12:14:43 PM
Quote from: Melan;620438Welcome back, single issue poster! Fortunately, while it is true that many suffer under the iron heel of the so-called "political correctness", you will also find that porn nowadays is both plentiful and very affordable. Those "bikini witches" will bare way more than in the glory days of Clyde Caldwell and Larry Elmore, if you know what I mean! :hatsoff:

You must explain what it is this "Porn" you speak of, it is a foreign term to me.....?:confused:
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Novastar

#176
January 26, 2013, 02:05:52 PM
Quote from: flyingcircus;622148You must explain what it is this "Porn" you speak of, it is a foreign term to me.....?:confused:
Just type it into Google, and Google will reward...and punish, you.
Quote from: dragoner;776244Mechanical character builds remind me of something like picking the shoe in monopoly, it isn\'t what I play rpg\'s for.

Daddy Warpig

#177
January 26, 2013, 02:18:47 PM
Quote from: Novastar;622177Just type it into Google, and Google will reward...and punish, you.
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jhkim

#178
January 26, 2013, 02:40:27 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;622094I like boobies.

When this came up in another forum, I said that RPGs should stop using sex to sell their products as soon as Vogue does. Outside of porn, nobody uses as much hot dripping lady sexy bits to sell their shit more than fashion mags.

Sex sells...and everyone's buying!
Eh.  I like boobies and I'm fine with using sex to sell a product if the product is related.  Fashion magazines sell ways to look sexy, so it fits.  However, I find throwing pictures of sexy women in as a way to sell computers or power tools or such just stupid and insulting.  

If the RPG action is intended to include sex, relationships, and/or sexy activities, then I'm OK with selling with sexy pictures.  For example, some are supposed to have heroes with relationships going on beside the action - i.e. Marvel Superheroes, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, James Bond 007, etc.  

Regardless, I still dislike it if the sexiness involves women disproportionately looking vulnerable and/or submissive compared to the men - which they frequently are.

Novastar

#179
January 26, 2013, 02:55:42 PM
Quote from: Daddy Warpig;622180Rule 34... and 35.
Refresh my memory?
Quote from: dragoner;776244Mechanical character builds remind me of something like picking the shoe in monopoly, it isn\'t what I play rpg\'s for.
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