Greetings!

Melonie Mac Go Boom! is also just funny. She has made several more videos commenting and showcasing all of this as well.

As for art, well, yeah, I always like yummy looking women. The men need to look like beasts as well. That should be the norm, and the constant standard.

Having said that, on occasion, a very different character is fine, and appropriate. Based on subject matter, etc.

Righteous, bearded Gandalf is awesome, by the way!

Art of villains, or say of normal people, or what have you, yeah. Be appropriate. Some can be older, some can be fat, some can be ugly. Whatever. That is fine.

But, as usual, we have Woke morons worming their way into these industries, and destroying them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

The interesting thing is people complaining about "unrealistic beauty standards" would say Melanie is "unrealistic".   She is an average looking girl who is fit (which in this day and age being fit adds about 2-3 clicks to the 10 point scale for women) and I am certain there is some purple haired problem glasses person who thinks she is setting unrealistic standards. 

    I think the turning away from an idealized version of a character is a form of narcissism in some cases.   A person who thinks they have no room for improvement to the point that some daring adventurer who pulls of the impossible should look just like them (fat roll included) is peak level delusion.  I do not get it. 

   To be fair I also do not know how much it actually happens at a table top.  I am pretty convinced it does not happen regarding "female video gamers" either.   I think all the complaints and "lack of representation" comes from people writing articles (or commercials) who do not play games, have never played games and are simply camels pushing a nose into the tent. 

I can't speak for everyone's imaginations, but on the whole I'd say no. I mean I don't think everyone looks like Conan or Chun Li, but more often than not I think people imagine characters as beautiful or handsome.

I can't think of a single time, outside of my first D&D character when I was 10, that I ever designed a character after myself. Even in video games I don't do that, so whenever that commercial came out about "seeing myself in the characters" it was the fattest load of B.S. I ever saw. It was written by and for people who don't play video games. When I play Commander Shepard in Mass Effect, I don't need him to look like a mildly overweight suburban dad because "that's realistic body standards". No, I want him to look like a strapping, muscular man because he's the hero and he should look the part.

"Unrealistic beauty standards" is feminist internet code for "normal human being"...every single time I head that phrase it's ALWAYS from some fat, purple haired pseudo-lesbian. Normal women I interact with on a daily basis would think it's absurd.

There's been a couple of hot mic moments where the mask has slipped.  They make these unattractive characters as a shit test.  They know no one likes them and they think it's funny to shit up the hobby by making you swallow it or get called a bigot.

In the history of the female players I've had at my table over 20+ years, they tend to make characters in one of two types.

Type 1)
Ultra Hot Femme Fatale.
Lots of girls want to play the sexy femme fatale who is hot just because it's a fun power fantasy for them just as much as it can be for a guy. Bonus points for the GM who can take their appearance and attractiveness into account with NPC reactions while not being creepy about it.

Type 2)
Plain Jane Adventurer.
They don't make the character fat and ugly, but they don't make anything notable or special about their appearance. They might be TV Hot if everyone at the table is playing TV hot, but you won't see them putting points into social stats or trying to leverage any feminine wiles. These players in particular want to play a female character like themselves, but don't want any weird baggage associated with in character come on lines or anything akin to that. They're just there for the adventure.

I'm aware there are female gamers who deliberately play ugly female characters but this has become more of a modern convention and is specifically among those players who believe they're 'striking a blow against the patriarchy' by doing so.

Quote from: SHARK on January 19, 2024, 06:53:20 PM
As for art, well, yeah, I always like yummy looking women. The men need to look like beasts as well. That should be the norm, and the constant standard.

Having said that, on occasion, a very different character is fine, and appropriate. Based on subject matter, etc.

I liked it when the standard for characters looked like this:



These characters don't look like beasts. They look plain, which is fine. I'm not opposed to characters looking like Fabio or Hemsworth, but I don't think it needs to be the majority of all characters.

Quote from: Orphan81 on January 20, 2024, 01:26:43 AM
In the history of the female players I've had at my table over 20+ years, they tend to make characters in one of two types.

Type 1)
Ultra Hot Femme Fatale.
Lots of girls want to play the sexy femme fatale who is hot just because it's a fun power fantasy for them just as much as it can be for a guy. Bonus points for the GM who can take their appearance and attractiveness into account with NPC reactions while not being creepy about it.

Type 2)
Plain Jane Adventurer.
They don't make the character fat and ugly, but they don't make anything notable or special about their appearance. They might be TV Hot if everyone at the table is playing TV hot, but you won't see them putting points into social stats or trying to leverage any feminine wiles. These players in particular want to play a female character like themselves, but don't want any weird baggage associated with in character come on lines or anything akin to that. They're just there for the adventure.

I'm aware there are female gamers who deliberately play ugly female characters but this has become more of a modern convention and is specifically among those players who believe they're 'striking a blow against the patriarchy' by doing so.

Perhaps in game; Plain Jane is a really good cook, and she's just waiting to find a man worthy of spoiling with her talents?  Perhaps she'll be really good wife material, once the dragon is slain and peace returns to the realm?

With regard to video games, it will be hilarious when the wokesters find out about Palworld:

Quote from: SHARK on January 18, 2024, 12:02:34 AM
Are fat, ugly women characters popular in your campaigns?
...Interesting stuff!

Only if they're also smelly.

PS: in my RPG plain girls are called "Betties".

In my experience, female players use images of attractive women for their characters even if that doesn't match their stats.  Their characters are always good looking even if they dump charisma.   

Quote from: yosemitemike on January 20, 2024, 06:38:47 PM
In my experience, female players use images of attractive women for their characters even if that doesn't match their stats.  Their characters are always good looking even if they dump charisma.   

A woman doesn't have to be unattractive, to have low Charisma.  Just add a scornful bitchy scowl, to the face of any woman.  Instantly, Low Charisma.

Quote from: jhkim on January 20, 2024, 02:05:40 AM
I liked it when the standard for characters looked like this:



These characters don't look like beasts. They look plain, which is fine. I'm not opposed to characters looking like Fabio or Hemsworth, but I don't think it needs to be the majority of all characters.

Maybe my fictional societies are malnourished.  Fat only happens when you're living high off the hog and not burning those calories.  So, a little meat on their bones is fine and even desirable.  Gluttony on the other hand is seen as what it is whether you are low or high class. Scars and pock marks are rare when healing magic exists.  On the other hand, body builders and super models are the greyhounds of society, they are high maintenance forms that are rare (and perhaps even supernatural.)

Greetings!

In my world of Thandor, there is a Dark Mutation that transforms the host humanoid into a gigantic, no-neck, undulating behemoth woman.

There are also cults composed entirely of such Behemoth-women members. Some of these Behemoth cults also create and organize civic action groups, where groups of Behemoth women gather together in urban streets to promote protests and riots, as they shriek at, and lecture nearby citizens.

There are also dark cults of Behemoth-women that operate depraved sex rings and clubs, where they dominate and play with hordes of weak male simps. Many of these terrible examples of males also actually *pay* the Behemoth-women to dominate them and engage with them in sexual parties.

Such fun opportunities! I use them periodically as villains, and as encounters that remind the players of how gross, depraved, and disgusting civilized society can be.

Such encounters with Behemoth women always inspire outbursts of humour in my groups. The women are especially savage!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on January 20, 2024, 08:54:37 PM
Greetings!

In my world of Thandor, there is a Dark Mutation that transforms the host humanoid into a gigantic, no-neck, undulating behemoth woman.

There are also cults composed entirely of such Behemoth-women members. Some of these Behemoth cults also create and organize civic action groups, where groups of Behemoth women gather together in urban streets to promote protests and riots, as they shriek at, and lecture nearby citizens.

There are also dark cults of Behemoth-women that operate depraved sex rings and clubs, where they dominate and play with hordes of weak male simps. Many of these terrible examples of males also actually *pay* the Behemoth-women to dominate them and engage with them in sexual parties.

Such fun opportunities! I use them periodically as villains, and as encounters that remind the players of how gross, depraved, and disgusting civilized society can be.

Such encounters with Behemoth women always inspire outbursts of humour in my groups. The women are especially savage!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

What is the root cause of this mutation?

Can any female character be stroke with it? Or is this something like the "flaking rot" that comes from a ghoul or such foul undead creature?