It seems over the last couple years that I've been apart of forums, discord servers, the subreddits, . the overwhelming majority are woke or run by extremely woke people.
its annoying in my case cause I'm somewhat shit at hiding my power level so to speak, so it becomes very clear I'm not on the take, and I tend to get banned because I'm earnest and I don't bow down to struggle sessions.
Beyond merely that, these spaces become in a practical sense unusable, designers who couldn't design worth a damn, merely building a vehicle for their politics and nothing more.
Beyond this site, or building your own, it feels like everyone else in the hobby has rank the kool aid or won't speak out, sites like this are little islands in the hobby space that care about the theory and the craft of the hobby.
The only other types of places out there are owned by Bro-SR types or /tg/ on 4chan, which are not the brightest bulbs one can find, and typically just play arm chair theorist or play coattails with Gyax looking for "the true D&D"
It's this turn of events that concerns me far more than whether or not WOTC or Piazo are woke, they might have the market share but they don't control the town sqaure.
It's when the town square, the public areas of speaking and where free speech is had that get infiltrated or co-opted, that's dangerous, that can kill a hobby more assuredly than if WOTC vanished overnight.
Addressing the original question...
I think they are definitely predominantly woke but... I'm not sure they are hopeless.
Traditionally, ttrpg players have more "lefty" politics. Nerd culture has always been a thing of the left. This used to mean that it attracted a lot of social outcasts and kids who did not really "fit in" with the cool crowds. I like to think we were just more interesting...
Either way. I think there are a few main factors fueling the DnD/TTRPG craze.
1. Stranger things made it cool. No denying that one.
2. There is a demonstrable drop in socialization and social skills in the millennial and post millennial generations who grew up interacting via screens. TTRPGs are social games and I think they offer these generations a chance to socialize in a fun way, something that they are desperately lacking.
3. People are generally sheep, and the common consensus that they are being exposed to in youth is that woke is in. Because they are young and have no experience with life, they are simply internalizing what they are taught. It's hard for people to break out of their bubbles. But I think they eventually will as they get older.
Just as importantly, and to address your other points, the wokies make crap content. This is in no small part due to the fact that they infiltrate existing franchises and then hire for nepotism and ideological purity rather than merit. Thus, you get teams full of incompetent people who were only hired to either check a box or because they were "one of us."
I think the best way to unwoke the community is to...
1. Make better content. (Easy enough)
2. Promote that content so more people are exposed to it.
3. Be welcoming to those who want to wander from woke. (Ie Don't badger them and don't shove "based" down their throats)
4. Form our own communities that hold greater appeal due to the previously mentioned things. I think this site is a good place to do that.
I really would like to add emphasis to the content promotion aspect. People in the non-woke community need to put more effort into promoting the creative content of others in the community and maybe even form business alliances with other creators. (You make the world and I'll help make content for it).
Just my thoughts.
The vast majority of gamers just go along to get along and they aren't "woke" at their own tables.
The problem is that woketards don't join communities, they infiltrate them. The goal is not to be apart of what's going on but to embed themselves into the decision making process somehow to control the public discourse. Often, they seek positions of janitors and moderators so they can control the flow of information.
Yesterday I was looking for reviews of the Adventures In Time And Space game, with an eye to using it with the old FASA Doctor Who adventures (classic lore with a more modern game system.) Most of the hits I got were from the big purple, so I just skipped over them.
A big, popular gaming forum, plenty of posts to get an average feel for a game, so it should be a useful resource. Except I don't trust a word their members have to say, especially about anything related to the increasingly woke Nu-Who franchise.
A large resource one can't trust, is more useless than a small limited resource. I'd rather go to a GeoCities fansite full of dead links than trawl rpg.net
The problem is that it only takes a few people to infiltrate and take over one of these forums. One or two worm their way into positions of power. They bring in others like them. They start changing the rules and moving and changing the Overton Window to match their own worldview. It doesn't take long for people with similar views to realize that, as long as they have the right positions and use the right jargon, they can behave however they like without repercussions. The forum becomes an intensely hostile place for anyone who disagrees or just doesn't agree hard enough. This will just get worse and worse over time until they aren't even pretending that they aren't banning people for wrongthink. People don't speak up because they know they will get dogpiled and banned for their trouble. The people they are arguing with run the place and have no problem abusing their authority to get rid of people who backtalk them. I don't think Stranger Things has much to do with it. I was watching this happen years before that show came out. They had thoroughly taken over TBP long before that. Whether the average gamer believes this stuff or not is irrelevant since people like us have no say at all. They don't give a single, solitary shit what we think. Many would happily have us taken out and shot if they had the power to do so. I don't mean figuratively either. It doesn't matter how good or bad the product is. Whether they allow a product to be promoted has nothing to do with quality. If you have the right politics, they will allow you to promote your product and silence your critics no matter how worthless it is. If they don't like you, they will ban any mention of you or your product no matter how good it is. The actual product and its quality don't really matter. A lot of these people don't play rpgs anyway so whether a product is actually useful at the table doesn't matter to them at all. They buy and talk about games as a virtue signal. They don't actually play them. These are the people who will buy something like Candela Obscura and never realize that large chunks of the game just aren't there because they will never ever try to play it.
I think it's not even woke (although that is a predominant issue), but mods with power trips. This is really an outlier that while pundit is quick to ban Jew haters, there's very little else that's just a matter of expressing your opinion that gets you banned. Other self-professed non-woke forums will be run by mods who will get in an argument with you and then ban you for arguing with them. Mods with power trips of course find woke ideology very appealing, it gives them a convenient excuse to go on a trip. But even without woke ideology, they'll still do it.
These aren't TTRPG communities, they're online TTRPG communities. The distinction is significant. The internet largely skews left now because it skews younger. I would bet solid money that the table of older guys sitting in the back of the game store with their AD&D books is not a bunch of wokies, but you aren't going to find them posting on r/rpg or harassing game developers on twitter for microaggressions. That's why OMG THE OSR IS FULL OF FASCISTS, it tends to be older players who aren't bowing to current trends and conventions, where the latest stuff is getting the newer younger people hopping on the bandwagon.
Quote from: Valatar on December 20, 2023, 03:04:05 PM
These aren't TTRPG communities, they're online TTRPG communities. The distinction is significant. The internet largely skews left now because it skews younger. I would bet solid money that the table of older guys sitting in the back of the game store with their AD&D books is not a bunch of wokies, but you aren't going to find them posting on r/rpg or harassing game developers on twitter for microaggressions. That's why OMG THE OSR IS FULL OF FASCISTS, it tends to be older players who aren't bowing to current trends and conventions, where the latest stuff is getting the newer younger people hopping on the bandwagon.
All the high schoolers I know right now skew right, if anything, and they're not the kind that I ran into in typical right wing circles. I think with the past generations young = left may be true, but the youngest generation is more right than its predecessor. They're also not the kind in traditional online communities, like forums.
Quote from: Valatar on December 20, 2023, 03:04:05 PM
These aren't TTRPG communities, they're online TTRPG communities. The distinction is significant. The internet largely skews left now because it skews younger. I would bet solid money that the table of older guys sitting in the back of the game store with their AD&D books is not a bunch of wokies, but you aren't going to find them posting on r/rpg or harassing game developers on twitter for microaggressions. That's why OMG THE OSR IS FULL OF FASCISTS, it tends to be older players who aren't bowing to current trends and conventions, where the latest stuff is getting the newer younger people hopping on the bandwagon.
Wrong, it skews left BECAUSE leftards managed to become the moderators and have squashed all dissenting voices. Which is why GenZ is skewing more right like Migo points out:
The natural rebellious nature of the youth is working, since the censorious, anti-fun, fuddy-duddy, intollerant cunts in power ARE all leftards, it follows that the younger generations will rebell against the status quo.
Now, if only the right managed to avoid letting their own lunatics to get into power once the pendulum swings in their favour... we might have a chance as a civilization.
Quote from: Captain_Pazuzu on December 19, 2023, 07:30:42 PM
Traditionally, ttrpg players have more "lefty" politics. Nerd culture has always been a thing of the left.
Eh, it's been countercultural. Sometimes that's been left-ish but sometimes not.
The issue is definitely not that a lot of players of whatever game having this or that politics. It's because there's a few loud activist types who believe they are making the world better by finding people who they disagree with and shitting down their throats. This is because they've been taught that their enemies are just regular people who have different politics than them, so they set about hurting them using whatever tools they have at hand.
That's a new thing and it's definitely a left/liberal thing that is being injected into the culture top down. The guy who would sometimes just say his politics and defend it in some thread 10 years ago will now explain how his politics isn't politics
IT'S CALLED BEING A DECENT HUMAN BEING and
YOU CAN SEE YOURSELF TO THE DOOR and blah blah blah blah
That's the only reason it's an issue. These people are doing an activism on twitter, in their games, and they advocate and bother for mod positions so they can ban any dissent. They are just loud and annoying, and deserve unlimited pushback.
For sure the forums and biased moderation have been a part of the woke-ification of gaming. Also just broader trends of corporate censorship, woke corporate stances and messaging, and ESG, I feel. It all interconnects and helps screw over the hobby. Something to be said for the expanded politicization of TTRPGs, too. As well as rules being made for "appropriate conduct" of players, gms, and the like at the table. Such as with Rokugan and the like.
I think online communities are woke, but probably not the hobby as a whole. I would say the hobby is very liberal but overall not very extreme in any direction. I think the hyper-woke are the terminally online types who spend more time talking about the game than playing it, because they have no social life or politics and the joy of power are their real hobbies. The same sort of dynamic played out towards the end of 3e's lifecycle in a smaller, less political way. The terminally online people constantly talked about meme characters, exploits, character optimization, and how 3e was a failed design because reasons A-Z (most of which were not real problems in actual play, just theorycrafted hallucinations). This online culture's echo chamber created the received wisdom that was internalized by the 4e designers and nearly killed the game. The same dynamic is playing out today I think. Woke is ascendant because all of the loudest people, sitting in the most visible social positions, are insisting that it's the end of history. Just like the last time it was supposedly the end of history, it will eventually collapse. The only question is what else might collapse with it.
One other thing that's not often spoken of but really influences nerdy online communities is insecurity. There is a type of person who I think is over-represented online who was traumatized by High School or whatever growing up. The people who never move on from this trauma end up insecure and desperate for social approval because they haven't realized that they don't need a stranger's approval to enjoy something. Stacy wouldn't go out with them in High School (because they played D&D, definitely not because they were a disgusting fat goblin with a dull personality) but now that Stacy watches Stranger Things or whatever, that means that Stacy approves of the hobby and so now they can enjoy without shame. These are the kind of people who push the idea that D&D is making the world safe for democracy by pushing the woke stuff. As long as it's joyless and awful, that means its deep and meaningful art, and that means that pretending to enjoy it might make them a serious adult instead of a child still hopelessly frightened by the idea of talking to Stacy.
Quote from: Old Aegidius on December 21, 2023, 02:27:20 AM
I think online communities are woke, but probably not the hobby as a whole. I would say the hobby is very liberal but overall not very extreme in any direction. I think the hyper-woke are the terminally online types who spend more time talking about the game than playing it, because they have no social life or politics and the joy of power are their real hobbies. The same sort of dynamic played out towards the end of 3e's lifecycle in a smaller, less political way. The terminally online people constantly talked about meme characters, exploits, character optimization, and how 3e was a failed design because reasons A-Z (most of which were not real problems in actual play, just theorycrafted hallucinations). This online culture's echo chamber created the received wisdom that was internalized by the 4e designers and nearly killed the game. The same dynamic is playing out today I think. Woke is ascendant because all of the loudest people, sitting in the most visible social positions, are insisting that it's the end of history. Just like the last time it was supposedly the end of history, it will eventually collapse. The only question is what else might collapse with it.
One other thing that's not often spoken of but really influences nerdy online communities is insecurity. There is a type of person who I think is over-represented online who was traumatized by High School or whatever growing up. The people who never move on from this trauma end up insecure and desperate for social approval because they haven't realized that they don't need a stranger's approval to enjoy something. Stacy wouldn't go out with them in High Sschool (because they played D&D, definitely not because they were a disgusting fat goblin with a dull personality) but now that Stacy watches Stranger Things or whatever, that means that Stacy approves of the hobby and so now they can enjoy without shame. These are the kind of people who push the idea that D&D is making the world safe for democracy by pushing the woke stuff. As long as it's joyless and awful, that means its deep and meaningful art, and that means that pretending to enjoy it might make them a serious adult instead of a child still still hopelessly frightened by the idea of talking to Stacy.
Oh yeah, it was totally MY fault my bullies bullied me...
Guess you were the one doing the bullying in your youth.
Nope, the woke are the cool kids and the mean girls, using the exact same tactics they used back then.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on December 21, 2023, 02:51:51 AM
Guess you were the one doing the bullying in your youth.
Far from it, I just have no sympathy anymore for people who can't get their shit together and develop confidence in themselves instead of seeking the approval of others. Seeking approval of awful people (bullies) is how a big portion of the rot spreads.
I actually feel like nerds and grognards are the ones mounting the most resistance to the woke.
1) Because they are aware of things within the industry more generally.
2) Because they know more about gaming outside recent Woke norms.
3) Because those who are or were socially unpopular to begin with have less to fear from peer pressure and more strength of ties within their limited groups and communities.
4) Because they care about TTRPGs, including things most others would potentially dismiss as inconsequential or trivia.
5) Because they cared and were exposed to it before it was cool/wokified, and have nostalgia for the before-times.
One issue is that the majority of the largish companies, regardless of market, are. They all "need a social media presence", and that means tapping into the "current thing" in order to connect with their target audience, and the majority of the target audiences are just nodding along to whatever the current narrative is. It's mostly some sort of bizarre ritual, mostly spread on social media and propagates from these into the traditional media if you fuck up. If you slip up and happen to be noticed by the extremely vocal minority of professional wokesters, you might end up in deep trouble, and for most companies of decent size this engages panic mode, something they are very bad at handling.
Woke is part of most companies business models, in varying degrees. Some companies have truly been infiltrated by those professionals mentioned above, and they tend to set the tone for the less infected competitors in the same market segment. WotC are most likely one of these "trend setters" for the TTRPG market.
Best way put of it is supporting companies that actively work against this BS. And they are mostly very small, and hard to find.
Quote from: daft on December 21, 2023, 01:42:17 PM
One issue is that the majority of the largish companies, regardless of market, are. They all "need a social media presence", and that means tapping into the "current thing" in order to connect with their target audience, and the majority of the target audiences are just nodding along to whatever the current narrative is. It's mostly some sort of bizarre ritual, mostly spread on social media and propagates from these into the traditional media if you fuck up. If you slip up and happen to be noticed by the extremely vocal minority of professional wokesters, you might end up in deep trouble, and for most companies of decent size this engages panic mode, something they are very bad at handling.
Woke is part of most companies business models, in varying degrees. Some companies have truly been infiltrated by those professionals mentioned above, and they tend to set the tone for the less infected competitors in the same market segment. WotC are most likely one of these "trend setters" for the TTRPG market.
Best way put of it is supporting companies that actively work against this BS. And they are mostly very small, and hard to find.
Agreed.
As pertains to smaller companies that fight woke, more should be done to promote them and increase their exposure to players.
Well, I'm a queer POC, so whatever hope you have of converting me to your viewpoint, I would give that up. You say woke, I say tolerable, because it's not overwhelmed by unreflective white male majoritarians.
Quote from: pawsplay on December 22, 2023, 06:57:50 PM
Well, I'm a queer POC, so whatever hope you have of converting me to your viewpoint, I would give that up. You say woke, I say tolerable, because it's not overwhelmed by unreflective white male majoritarians.
So spoke the racist and sexist woketard, but I repeat myself since woke is synonym with racism and sexism.
Quote from: pawsplay on December 22, 2023, 06:57:50 PM
Well, I'm a queer POC, so whatever hope you have of converting me to your viewpoint, I would give that up. You say woke, I say tolerable, because it's not overwhelmed by unreflective white male majoritarians.
So the solution seems to be exclusion. What would be your suggested alternative?
Quote from: pawsplay on December 22, 2023, 06:57:50 PM
Well, I'm a queer POC, so whatever hope you have of converting me to your viewpoint, I would give that up. You say woke, I say tolerable, because it's not overwhelmed by unreflective white male majoritarians.
... white... male... "majoritarians".
It seems you are using immutable qualities to pass judgement on someone as if to suggest that these things are automatically negative.
Not sure if that was your intent.
Quote from: pawsplay on December 22, 2023, 06:57:50 PM
Well, I'm a queer POC, so whatever hope you have of converting me to your viewpoint, I would give that up. You say woke, I say tolerable, because it's not overwhelmed by unreflective white male majoritarians.
1) "I'm a queer POC". You know, no one cares, right? I only care if someone is a person of character. I doubt that other people here go around judging people by demographics and sexual preferences, because people are individuals. But the second part of what you are saying shows that you make judgements against people by race and sex alone. I don't think anyone here is trying to "convert" you; prejudice doesn't go away that easily.
Quote from: pawsplay on December 22, 2023, 06:57:50 PM
Well, I'm a queer POC, so whatever hope you have of converting me to your viewpoint, I would give that up. You say woke, I say tolerable, because it's not overwhelmed by unreflective white male majoritarians.
I'd like you to expound on a couple points this is a bit to unpack, I confuse the use of woke is a bit overused but I think it concisely captures what I'm trying to get at.
But I'm compelled to ask what you consider tolerance? Tolerance in my mind is a virtue (sometimes flaw) of tolerating or ignoring differences between people Often what I've encountered is not that, it is a demand for acknowledgement and explicit approval of a certain life style choice or political view, often to the exclusion of one's own.
You ask for tolerance, but what seems to be desired is utter acceptance or else threat of punishment in some fashion. That seems to be unreflective.
Quote from: pawsplay on December 22, 2023, 06:57:50 PM
Well, I'm a queer POC, so whatever hope you have of converting me to your viewpoint, I would give that up. You say woke, I say tolerable, because it's not overwhelmed by unreflective white male majoritarians.
You throw this around as a weapon. You constantly bring it up, even when it's not relevant in any way to the subject at hand. Every single one of your posts is deliberately hostile. No one hates you because of the color of your skin your sexual issues, we hate you because you're an insufferable prick that goes around picking fights.
You are a perfect example of what we normal people see coming from the woke crowd.
Quote from: BadApple on December 23, 2023, 06:28:27 AM
Quote from: pawsplay on December 22, 2023, 06:57:50 PM
Well, I'm a queer POC, so whatever hope you have of converting me to your viewpoint, I would give that up. You say woke, I say tolerable, because it's not overwhelmed by unreflective white male majoritarians.
You throw this around as a weapon. You constantly bring it up, even when it's not relevant in any way to the subject at hand. Every single one of your posts is deliberately hostile. No one hates you because of the color of your skin your sexual issues, we hate you because you're an insufferable prick that goes around picking fights.
You are a perfect example of what we normal people see coming from the woke crowd.
Pretty much. We see a perpetually offended miserable human being who defines themselves by their preferred sex holes and melanin content of their skin and demands respect and authority for having that preference and more melanin than other people as if those are the most important things in the world.
It's like a more annoying version of "well, I'm a doctor" (because at least the doctor title implies they want some respect for having put some effort in somewhere).
Greetings!
Forget being tolerant. The whole concept of "Tolerance" has been twisted into being a spineless degenerate. It is merely yet another vehicle of brainwashing and conditioning, so that the degenerates and mentally ill scum can wallow in their degeneracy and spread their lifestyles and ideologies throughout the community.
Stay intolerant and strong. Reject all of the weak pussies and feminized weaklings.
Light up a good cigar, and enjoy seeing the degenerates being defeated and crushed.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: BadApple on December 23, 2023, 06:28:27 AM
You throw this around as a weapon. You constantly bring it up, even when it's not relevant in any way to the subject at hand. Every single one of your posts is deliberately hostile.
No, I just bring it up whenever I feel like it. I don't give a fuck if you're comfortable with it.
Quote from: BadApple on December 23, 2023, 06:28:27 AM
Quote from: pawsplay on December 22, 2023, 06:57:50 PM
Well, I'm a queer POC, so whatever hope you have of converting me to your viewpoint, I would give that up. You say woke, I say tolerable, because it's not overwhelmed by unreflective white male majoritarians.
You throw this around as a weapon. You constantly bring it up, even when it's not relevant in any way to the subject at hand. Every single one of your posts is deliberately hostile. No one hates you because of the color of your skin your sexual issues, we hate you because you're an insufferable prick that goes around picking fights.
You are a perfect example of what we normal people see coming from the woke crowd.
What do you expect? Normal, mentally healthy don't define themselves by their sexuality or sex. I don't have to post I'm male or hetero every other post, because no one cares and no one might think I'm "special" because of it. Which is the main reason for all of these "celebrations" of sex or race. When you, as a person, have no accomplishments or achievements that make you noteworthy, you need to pick other characteristics to celebrate.
What they don't understand is that everyone else views them as "special" as in education, and not "special" as in important...
Quote from: pawsplay on December 23, 2023, 06:25:50 PM
No, I just bring it up whenever I feel like it. I don't give a fuck if you're comfortable with it.
No, the way you constantly bring it up even when it's irrelevant to the subject at hand makes it obvious that you are trying to use it as a bludgeon,to establish some sort of moral authority or both. That sort of thing just doesn't carry much weight outside of woke circles. Not being straight and not being white doesn't give you any morality authority or shield whatever stupid bullshit you are spouting from scrutiny or criticism outside of woke circles. You can't silence people by calling them homophobes or racists. No one gives a shit about such obviously self-serving accusations.
Why is everyone harshing Pawsplay? Dude's been around TTRPG circles for a long time. Decades I think?
Quote from: Mistwell on December 23, 2023, 09:46:27 PM
Why is everyone harshing Pawsplay? Dude's been around TTRPG circles for a long time. Decades I think?
Fair enough, I guess. I think part of it might just have been (possibly mis)perceived hostility and the fact that these days folks are sensitive to that kind of thing regardless of political alignment or identity or the like. I probably took it a bit more personally than I myself should have too. Part of it also I think is that a lot of people take that kind of thing within a more recent Woke society context and assume it's meant as criticism of their own identity or an attempt to assert authority through identity or something. If he's been here that long, I'll try to mellow out a bit and give him more of the benefit of the doubt.
Quote from: Eirikrautha on December 23, 2023, 08:12:05 PM
I don't have to post I'm male or hetero every other post, because no one cares and no one might think I'm "special" because of it. Which is the main reason for all of these "celebrations" of sex or race. When you, as a person, have no accomplishments or achievements that make you noteworthy, you need to pick other characteristics to celebrate.
Why are you bringing it up? Do you think it gives you some kind of moral authority? Stop beating me on the head with your sexuality.
Quote from: pawsplay on December 23, 2023, 10:38:35 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on December 23, 2023, 08:12:05 PM
I don't have to post I'm male or hetero every other post, because no one cares and no one might think I'm "special" because of it. Which is the main reason for all of these "celebrations" of sex or race. When you, as a person, have no accomplishments or achievements that make you noteworthy, you need to pick other characteristics to celebrate.
Why are you bringing it up? Do you think it gives you some kind of moral authority? Stop beating me on the head with your sexuality.
He said that he doesn't feel the need to bring it up? Are you trying to pretend he said the opposite or are you just fucking simple?
I think it was an attempted joke, in that he feels his earlier statement was misinterpreted similarly. (Which I guess to some degree it may have been? NGL, if Mistwell hadn't vouched that he was a longtime member of the community and that this wasn't standard, I'd have joined the dog pile. I was sort of writing something up before I saw that and took the opportunity to cool off, TBH.)
Quote from: yosemitemike on December 23, 2023, 11:24:00 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on December 23, 2023, 10:38:35 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on December 23, 2023, 08:12:05 PM
I don't have to post I'm male or hetero every other post, because no one cares and no one might think I'm "special" because of it. Which is the main reason for all of these "celebrations" of sex or race. When you, as a person, have no accomplishments or achievements that make you noteworthy, you need to pick other characteristics to celebrate.
Why are you bringing it up? Do you think it gives you some kind of moral authority? Stop beating me on the head with your sexuality.
He said that he doesn't feel the need to bring it up? Are you trying to pretend he said the opposite or are you just fucking simple?
I'm just going by the standard that was set out for me. Mentioning your sexuality inline to any discussion is apparently weaponizing it.
I'm sorry yosemitemike, the censors have commanded me deliver unto you a grave message. You are henceforth forbidden to bring up Jason Momoa. We all know he has been (correctly) referred to as Big Sexy. In this context he is verboten.
Hey! I used the proper sobriquet.
Quote from: pawsplay on December 24, 2023, 12:55:30 AM
I'm just going by the standard that was set out for me. Mentioning your sexuality inline to any discussion is apparently weaponizing it.
You're either illiterate or deliberately misrepresenting what others have said. The latter seems more likely.
Quote from: Mistwell on December 23, 2023, 09:46:27 PM
Why is everyone harshing Pawsplay? Dude's been around TTRPG circles for a long time. Decades I think?
Because the dude has posted in some thirty different threads with over a hundred combined posts in just a few days and the vast majority of them were deliberate attempts to derail the conversation or to instigate hostilities with another poster. I don't care if Pawsplay taught Gary Gygax how to play, hostile is hostile.
Quote from: Mistwell on December 23, 2023, 09:46:27 PM
Why is everyone harshing Pawsplay? Dude's been around TTRPG circles for a long time. Decades I think?
Besides him being a fucktard with inferiority and persecution complex?
Quote from: BadApple on December 24, 2023, 05:17:28 AM
Quote from: Mistwell on December 23, 2023, 09:46:27 PM
Why is everyone harshing Pawsplay? Dude's been around TTRPG circles for a long time. Decades I think?
Because the dude has posted in some thirty different threads with over a hundred combined posts in just a few days and the vast majority of them were deliberate attempts to derail the conversation or to instigate hostilities with another poster. I don't care if Pawsplay taught Gary Gygax how to play, hostile is hostile.
Their mental illness has progressed from something affecting only themselves to the negatively impacting others stage. In the olden days we could get them help, but these days the progressives in charge are perfectly happy with the mentally ill living in the streets and harassing passers by.
Quote from: Grognard GM on December 19, 2023, 08:15:44 PM
Yesterday I was looking for reviews of the Adventures In Time And Space game, with an eye to using it with the old FASA Doctor Who adventures (classic lore with a more modern game system.) Most of the hits I got were from the big purple, so I just skipped over them.
A big, popular gaming forum, plenty of posts to get an average feel for a game, so it should be a useful resource. Except I don't trust a word their members have to say, especially about anything related to the increasingly woke Nu-Who franchise.
A large resource one can't trust, is more useless than a small limited resource. I'd rather go to a GeoCities fansite full of dead links than trawl rpg.net
The sort of solo variable path adventure one? There was a big discussion of it on BGG which is also very woke. But eventually the designer moved it to Yahoo Groups and started posting expansions only for a short time then pulling them, and other behavior that didnt sit well. All gone now. I have most of the books up to a point.
Quote from: Omega on December 25, 2023, 09:42:45 PM
Quote from: Grognard GM on December 19, 2023, 08:15:44 PM
Yesterday I was looking for reviews of the Adventures In Time And Space game, with an eye to using it with the old FASA Doctor Who adventures (classic lore with a more modern game system.) Most of the hits I got were from the big purple, so I just skipped over them.
A big, popular gaming forum, plenty of posts to get an average feel for a game, so it should be a useful resource. Except I don't trust a word their members have to say, especially about anything related to the increasingly woke Nu-Who franchise.
A large resource one can't trust, is more useless than a small limited resource. I'd rather go to a GeoCities fansite full of dead links than trawl rpg.net
The sort of solo variable path adventure one? There was a big discussion of it on BGG which is also very woke. But eventually the designer moved it to Yahoo Groups and started posting expansions only for a short time then pulling them, and other behavior that didnt sit well. All gone now. I have most of the books up to a point.
No, I mean the 7 official adventures for the FASA Doctor Who game from '85-'86.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doctor_Who_Role_Playing_Game (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doctor_Who_Role_Playing_Game)
And Adventures In Time And Space (later editions called simply Doctor Who Roleplaying Game)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_Roleplaying_Game (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_Roleplaying_Game)
My bucket list is to find a GM that loves classic Who, and only classic Who, where I can play a Time Lord, with a player or two as Companions. If I ever find this unicorn, I shall chain them in my basement, and make them run adventures.
I thought I could maybe go into the old FASA adventures myself, and update the stats (to save a theoretical GM the hassle) but even when trying to be very careful, I found myself seeing spoilers, so scratch that idea.
So now my basement unicorn has to also be cool updating old modules. That should drop my pool of potential candidates on Earth from 3 to 0.
Beware when your fandom or hobby suddenly becomes a community.
Communities get organized.
You didn't buy shares or sign a charter. There is no TOS.
Tell the organizers to kick rocks when they object to your polite "no".
Quote from: Grognard GM on December 25, 2023, 11:06:34 PM
My bucket list is to find a GM that loves classic Who, and only classic Who, where I can play a Time Lord, with a player or two as Companions. If I ever find this unicorn, I shall chain them in my basement, and make them run adventures.
I thought I could maybe go into the old FASA adventures myself, and update the stats (to save a theoretical GM the hassle) but even when trying to be very careful, I found myself seeing spoilers, so scratch that idea.
So now my basement unicorn has to also be cool updating old modules. That should drop my pool of potential candidates on Earth from 3 to 0.
I couldn't find a single player for classic Doctor Who. I don't own any of the FASA stuff but I have pretty much everything for the Cubicle 7 version from a Humble Bundle. There's plenty of material for classic Who in the sourcebooks. I don't own any of those old adventures but I don't think it would be that hard to redo them for the newer version. If they use classic enemies, it would mostly be a matter of swapping in the new stats.
Quote from: yosemitemike on December 26, 2023, 01:58:53 AM
Quote from: Grognard GM on December 25, 2023, 11:06:34 PM
My bucket list is to find a GM that loves classic Who, and only classic Who, where I can play a Time Lord, with a player or two as Companions. If I ever find this unicorn, I shall chain them in my basement, and make them run adventures.
I thought I could maybe go into the old FASA adventures myself, and update the stats (to save a theoretical GM the hassle) but even when trying to be very careful, I found myself seeing spoilers, so scratch that idea.
So now my basement unicorn has to also be cool updating old modules. That should drop my pool of potential candidates on Earth from 3 to 0.
I couldn't find a single player for classic Doctor Who. I don't own any of the FASA stuff but I have pretty much everything for the Cubicle 7 version from a Humble Bundle. There's plenty of material for classic Who in the sourcebooks. I don't own any of those old adventures but I don't think it would be that hard to redo them for the newer version. If they use classic enemies, it would mostly be a matter of swapping in the new stats.
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A helpful fellow did a fairly simple conversion guide:
https://paratime.ca/who/pdf/FASA_to_DWAITAS_Conversion.pdf (https://paratime.ca/who/pdf/FASA_to_DWAITAS_Conversion.pdf)
I had a flick through the sourcebooks for the first 7 Doctors, and there certainly is plenty of material for a GM. They're very nicely put together books.
There's also quite a bit of stuff, like the UNIT book, that could be used with any Doctor. Some of the adventures feature whoever was the current Doctor when they came out but you could easily swap them out for any incarnation. It's not exactly hard to make a Doctor Who adventure anyway.
Quote from: yosemitemike on December 26, 2023, 06:50:17 AM
There's also quite a bit of stuff, like the UNIT book, that could be used with any Doctor. Some of the adventures feature whoever was the current Doctor when they came out but you could easily swap them out for any incarnation. It's not exactly hard to make a Doctor Who adventure anyway.
I have 6 incarnations of my own Time Lord already plotted out, because I am mentally ill.
I can not remember the line or who said it, but something along the lines of any institution or organization that is not overtly right wing will over time become left wing rings in my head. This is because woke people/lefties/whatever are OBSESSED with their world view and enforcing pushing it becomes their part time job/hobby if not their full time job...a literal religion.
I have no plans or attempts to convert the people who would never see my worldview and my preference is to say live and let live. However if they rather constantly get at me and try to force their worldview and "convert" me or silence me if I do not approve of their degenerate lives or thoughts....well where does that lead? Reality is the "just want to be left alone" is a big old dinner bell ringing for nutjob lefties. They will come and force you to capitulate to their position or remove you and that is all there is to it.
Quote from: oggsmash on December 26, 2023, 04:39:27 PM
I can not remember the line or who said it, but something along the lines of any institution or organization that is not overtly right wing will over time become left wing rings in my head. This is because woke people/lefties/whatever are OBSESSED with their world view and enforcing pushing it becomes their part time job/hobby if not their full time job...a literal religion.
I have no plans or attempts to convert the people who would never see my worldview and my preference is to say live and let live. However if they rather constantly get at me and try to force their worldview and "convert" me or silence me if I do not approve of their degenerate lives or thoughts....well where does that lead? Reality is the "just want to be left alone" is a big old dinner bell ringing for nutjob lefties. They will come and force you to capitulate to their position or remove you and that is all there is to it.
Which is why Enworld is doomed/slowly corroding. "No politics, everyone just be cool" seems like a good mid-ground stance on the surface, but live-and-let-live ALWAYS falls to the intolerant.
"Hey man, if you keep up with the 'zombies are battering down my barricade, please send help' posts, we're going to ban you. After all, we don't post propaganda from the zombies either."
Quote from: oggsmash on December 26, 2023, 04:39:27 PM
I can not remember the line or who said it, but something along the lines of any institution or organization that is not overtly right wing will over time become left wing rings in my head.
Supposedly Robert Conquest's 2nd law of politics, though it's difficult to track online, and I don't know if he really said it or not. I've always thought his 3rd law was WotC to a T: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that is it controlled by a cabal of its enemies." :)
Quote from: Grognard GM on December 26, 2023, 06:58:37 AM
Quote from: yosemitemike on December 26, 2023, 06:50:17 AM
There's also quite a bit of stuff, like the UNIT book, that could be used with any Doctor. Some of the adventures feature whoever was the current Doctor when they came out but you could easily swap them out for any incarnation. It's not exactly hard to make a Doctor Who adventure anyway.
I have 6 incarnations of my own Time Lord already plotted out, because I am mentally ill.
The scenarios do rather assume that the Time Lord is a wandering do-gooder like The Doctor. They assume that the Time Lord will care about what is going on and try to stop or fix it. They also tend to assume that you have an old, cranky TARDIS that tends to take you to the plot rather than where/whenever you were trying to go.
Quote from: yosemitemike on December 26, 2023, 08:41:11 PM
Quote from: Grognard GM on December 26, 2023, 06:58:37 AM
Quote from: yosemitemike on December 26, 2023, 06:50:17 AM
There's also quite a bit of stuff, like the UNIT book, that could be used with any Doctor. Some of the adventures feature whoever was the current Doctor when they came out but you could easily swap them out for any incarnation. It's not exactly hard to make a Doctor Who adventure anyway.
I have 6 incarnations of my own Time Lord already plotted out, because I am mentally ill.
The scenarios do rather assume that the Time Lord is a wandering do-gooder like The Doctor. They assume that the Time Lord will care about what is going on and try to stop or fix it. They also tend to assume that you have an old, cranky TARDIS that tends to take you to the plot rather than where/whenever you were trying to go.
Not a problem, he ticks all the boxes ;D I'm just putting my own spin on an iconic concept, throwing the baby out with the bathwater would be self-harming, and result in something lesser.
What if a different Time Lord, with different regenerations, had adventures in the Who universe is the basic vibe. Homage without actually just playing The Doctor.
PS - I've heard that the old adventures tend to build stuff around the concept that the C.I.A. (no, not that one!) send your character to X to fix a problem. But I also heard it's easy as pie to swap that with "you just happen to land here, and there's a problem to fix." I much prefer the time and space nomad approach, to the agent of the grand high mucky-mucks. Gallifrey can go piss up a rope.
Once a forum has rules like this "through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane"
Its already over
Its the rules of this forum
Quote from: Korvosa on December 26, 2023, 11:47:48 PM
Once a forum has rules like this "through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane"
Its already over
Its the rules of this forum
Greetings sock puppet/alt account/returning banned shit-stirrer!
I was signing up as the true noob to respond to this post (before I post my own) and saw the rules. Felt like these rules are often used by woke communities to create woke space, Its literally my only account
Quote from: Korvosa on December 27, 2023, 01:32:01 AM
Felt like these rules are often used by woke communities to create woke space, Its literally my only account
No, that's not true at all. Normally a community that is trying to do that will have a "no hatespeech" rule, which will be broad enough to include everything. Often they will simply say "This is leftist community / forum / subreddit" and simply ban anyone who disagrees. Other times they will insist that people flair or identify themselves and then ban the politically impure from certain heated threads (obviously you can lie about this, but if you go into one of those threads and make a good point while wearing your commie tag, your post will be deleted and you'll be banned).
The rules here are pretty standard, especially to avoid goreposting and porn and other such medulla-triggering internet tricks, along with general bad behavior.
Quote from: Grognard GM on December 26, 2023, 09:42:33 PM
Not a problem, he ticks all the boxes ;D I'm just putting my own spin on an iconic concept, throwing the baby out with the bathwater would be self-harming, and result in something lesser.
What if a different Time Lord, with different regenerations, had adventures in the Who universe is the basic vibe. Homage without actually just playing The Doctor.
PS - I've heard that the old adventures tend to build stuff around the concept that the C.I.A. (no, not that one!) send your character to X to fix a problem. But I also heard it's easy as pie to swap that with "you just happen to land here, and there's a problem to fix." I much prefer the time and space nomad approach, to the agent of the grand high mucky-mucks. Gallifrey can go piss up a rope.
The Cubicle 7 adventures assume that you will be playing the Doctor and companions with a sidebar of suggestions if you are not doing that. It assumes that the Time Lord will be some version of The Doctor but most of what is on those characters would apply just as much to any Time Lord. At the start of Nu-Who we were told that Gallifrey was destroyed and the other Time Lords were all dead. Now we know that none of that was ever true.
No, no. That's not how Doctor Who works. Those people would be useless at best if not active obstacles or villains. There's no need for that sort of framework anyway. You can just start it the same way 90+% of Doctor Who arcs start. It's not complicated. You arrive. It's not where you wanted to be or maybe it is. There's a mystery. Odd things are happening. Bad things are happening. Let's investigate. Done.
Quote from: Venka on December 27, 2023, 03:36:44 AM
Quote from: Korvosa on December 27, 2023, 01:32:01 AM
Felt like these rules are often used by woke communities to create woke space, Its literally my only account
Normally a community that is trying to do that will have a "no hatespeech" rule, which will be broad enough to include everything.
Sounds like you didnt read my post fully
This forum does not allow posting material that is hateful. That more than just hate speech and can mean anything
Quote from: Korvosa on December 27, 2023, 06:51:07 AM
Quote from: Venka on December 27, 2023, 03:36:44 AM
Quote from: Korvosa on December 27, 2023, 01:32:01 AM
Felt like these rules are often used by woke communities to create woke space, Its literally my only account
Normally a community that is trying to do that will have a "no hatespeech" rule, which will be broad enough to include everything.
Sounds like you didnt read my post fully
This forum does not allow posting material that is hateful. That more than just hate speech and can mean anything
It's all in the application and definition. Some form of community policing is necessary to keep the site from going to shit and the mods here are doing their best to thread the needle between a good moderation and freedom of speech. If you're concerned about a rule believing it is used or could be used in a way you're not comfortable with, contact the administrator directly for clarification. This site is owned and operated by RPGPundit and he is responsive to those that reach out to him.
Also: https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/notice-don-t-come-in-if-you-re-going-to-have-a-bad-time-show-some-self-control/
And: https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/this-is-why-we-don-t-like-you/
Quote from: Korvosa on December 27, 2023, 06:51:07 AM
Sounds like you didnt read my post fully
This forum does not allow posting material that is hateful. That more than just hate speech and can mean anything
So that's not technically correct but I see where you are coming from. "Hate speech" is a made up political term. It just means "anything we don't agree with here". Being hateful is a different thing entirely. If English wasn't being abused by political actors, "hate speech" would have some actual tight definition (or at least not an ever-growing one). For instance, if you posted racial crime statistics, that would not be "hate speech" by any of the proposed definitions I heard when I was young. But in practice, that would get you kicked or banned today from places with "hate speech" rules, and would likely be illegal in some jurisdictions as "hate speech" today.
By contrast, hateful material wouldn't be that.
Quote from: BadApple on December 24, 2023, 05:17:28 AM
Quote from: Mistwell on December 23, 2023, 09:46:27 PM
Why is everyone harshing Pawsplay? Dude's been around TTRPG circles for a long time. Decades I think?
Because the dude has posted in some thirty different threads with over a hundred combined posts in just a few days and the vast majority of them were deliberate attempts to derail the conversation or to instigate hostilities with another poster. I don't care if Pawsplay taught Gary Gygax how to play, hostile is hostile.
I just say what I think. It's not my fault this gathers hostile reactions from other people. If I say something like, "I'm a trans POC gamer," just one, off-handed reference to something that is in fact true, and people go on for pages and pages, I don't think I'm the one with the problem with instigating. The person responding chose to make it an agenda issue.
I've been on this forum over a decade. Apparently some people think they are going to run me off because I don't have the correct orthodoxy. Absolutely ironic, given what people have to say about rigid ideologies. You can look at my posting history, I participate in a variety of topics, truly not hostile at all. I'm just not intimidated by the hostility of others.
I've been topical in this discussion, unlike many people. The topics is, Are TTRPG communities hopelessly woke? The answer is no. They are quite diverse in viewpoints, and generally reflect the conservative and reactionary tendencies of mainstream culture. I've tried to draw a line from A to B to C, and people just aren't willing to see it. Mostly what I get is people discounted by qualifications to participate in the discussion at all. Accusations of being an ideologue, or brainwashed, or belonging to an inferior and less important race or culture.
I wouldn't even call this place an echo chamber. It's everyone from "no, really, I'm a cool progressive due, I just tolerate crappy behavior" to full on white supremacists claiming some "races" are genetically inferior and less intelligent. But one common theme is that a lot of people come here to retreat from reality. White males are not oppressed, though they are, mathematically, a minority. Game companies are not aggressively agenda driven. They are, firstly, driven by creative people who make games, and secondly, by money, in various proportions. The people of gender, sexuality, and ethnic minorities you see in various positions are just reflections of the people who play the games. Calls for people of a specific demographics are just an attempt to correct historic under-representation. And the Pundit may not approve of every garbage thing said on this site, but he certainly tolerates things that make it easier to support his own personal worldview.
So bitch says this:
Quote from: pawsplay on December 29, 2023, 06:41:28 PM
I just say what I think. It's not my fault this gathers hostile reactions from other people. If I say something like, "I'm a trans POC gamer," just one, off-handed reference to something that is in fact true, and people go on for pages and pages, I don't think I'm the one with the problem with instigating.
Then follows it up with this:
Quote from: pawsplay on December 29, 2023, 06:41:28 PM
I wouldn't even call this place an echo chamber. It's everyone from "no, really, I'm a cool progressive due, I just tolerate crappy behavior" to full on white supremacists claiming some "races" are genetically inferior and less intelligent. But one common theme is that a lot of people come here to retreat from reality. White males are not oppressed, though they are, mathematically, a minority. Game companies are not aggressively agenda driven. They are, firstly, driven by creative people who make games, and secondly, by money, in various proportions. The people of gender, sexuality, and ethnic minorities you see in various positions are just reflections of the people who play the games. Calls for people of a specific demographics are just an attempt to correct historic under-representation. And the Pundit may not approve of every garbage thing said on this site, but he certainly tolerates things that make it easier to support his own personal worldview.
But it's not instigating. LOL!
I'd call you mentally ill, but I don't need to. You fessed up in the first paragraph...
I'm sure the Pundit will be okay without your valiant defense. But it's sweet of you to think of him.
The position points that don't relate to the site and its members seem moreso stances than instigations to me. And most of the stuff there more generally does indeed relate either directly or tangentially to some degree to this thread's topic. I'll even acknowledge pawsplay may have originally not meant to offend, though the unreflective white male part in conjunction with identity statement had originally made me feel like a point was being made there about identity tiering or something, even if that probably wasn't the intent.
Anyway, I do think at this point there are going to be instigations thrown in this conversation. I don't have great hopes, but we should probably just try to all focus on the content of the original post and the general thread core, even if we do that I guess?
Most of my arguments that things are woke in the corporate world and for forums and associated community impactors I've already posted. Check especially the corporate thread, I guess, for those interested. (Though that one went a bit off the rails which was partly my own fault.)
TLDR: The creator bans on forums and reddit, YouTube policies and the policies of other sites in restricting speech via corporate sway. Hiring practices which actually go to the point of using race as a disqualifying factor in authorial hiring. Corporate censorship of prior works, including owned works, especially where without consumer consent. Actual rules in the game about who can play, what opinions can be had, and by who (with respect to identity). ESG laws making it the only alternative to actual profit in investing. Subsequent results within the corporate sphere, and blah. It all impacts the community and the hobby more broadly.
Quote from: pawsplay on December 29, 2023, 06:41:28 PM
I've been topical in this discussion, unlike many people. The topics is, Are TTRPG communities hopelessly woke? The answer is no. They are quite diverse in viewpoints,
Oh horseshit. At TBP, there is one and only once acceptable viewpoint. For several issues, it's not even an unwritten rule. It's written directly into the forum rules. You can discuss Trump but you can't support him. You can discuss police shooting incidents but you can't support the police. You can talk about sexism or racism in games but you can't contradict or even be skeptical of claims of sexism or racism. It's hardly the only forum where you better have the correct, Progressive viewpoint or keep quiet. Diverse viewpoints? Who are you trying to lie to here: us or yourself?
Actually, now that I think of it, are there any rpg forums other than this one that allow minimally moderated political conversation within the topic of TTRPGs? I legit am drawing blanks here. Most seem either like big purple in censorship trends or like rpg pub and the like in not allowing that kind of discussion. Scary if I'm getting this right and we only have 10,000 or so members...
Quote from: KindaMeh on December 29, 2023, 07:58:36 PM
Actually, now that I think of it, are there any rpg forums other than this one that allow minimally moderated political conversation within the topic of TTRPGs? I legit am drawing blanks here. Most seem either like big purple in censorship trends or like rpg pub and the like in not allowing that kind of discussion. Scary if I'm getting this right and we only have 10,000 or so members...
If one exists, I don't know about it. Either political discussion isn't allowed at all or there's one acceptable viewpoint which is pretty much always the current, standard issue Progressive NPC viewpoint.
Quote from: yosemitemike on December 29, 2023, 08:03:42 PM
Quote from: KindaMeh on December 29, 2023, 07:58:36 PM
Actually, now that I think of it, are there any rpg forums other than this one that allow minimally moderated political conversation within the topic of TTRPGs? I legit am drawing blanks here. Most seem either like big purple in censorship trends or like rpg pub and the like in not allowing that kind of discussion. Scary if I'm getting this right and we only have 10,000 or so members...
If one exists, I don't know about it. Either political discussion isn't allowed at all or there's one acceptable viewpoint which is pretty much always the current, standard issue Progressive NPC viewpoint.
Nah, they are the same thing. The "no politics allowed" forums always degenerate into mods who post (or allow) leftists politics because "It's not politics; it's just the facts/politeness/reality." Always.
Quote from: Eirikrautha on December 29, 2023, 08:12:46 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike on December 29, 2023, 08:03:42 PM
Quote from: KindaMeh on December 29, 2023, 07:58:36 PM
Actually, now that I think of it, are there any rpg forums other than this one that allow minimally moderated political conversation within the topic of TTRPGs? I legit am drawing blanks here. Most seem either like big purple in censorship trends or like rpg pub and the like in not allowing that kind of discussion. Scary if I'm getting this right and we only have 10,000 or so members...
If one exists, I don't know about it. Either political discussion isn't allowed at all or there's one acceptable viewpoint which is pretty much always the current, standard issue Progressive NPC viewpoint.
Nah, they are the same thing. The "no politics allowed" forums always degenerate into mods who post (or allow) leftists politics because "It's not politics; it's just the facts/politeness/reality." Always.
I bailed on a gaming club's Facebook group because it had a no politics rule, and when I complained a poster was repeatedly posting pro-BLM posts, the Moderator told me "that's not politics, that's just basic morality". I quit then and there.
Quote from: pawsplay on December 29, 2023, 06:41:28 PMI just say what I think. It's not my fault this gathers hostile reactions from other people. If I say something like, "I'm a trans POC gamer," just one, off-handed reference to something that is in fact true, and people go on for pages and pages, I don't think I'm the one with the problem with instigating. The person responding chose to make it an agenda issue.
Have you considered transitioning to a person that argues in good faith?
Quote from: Eirikrautha on December 29, 2023, 07:05:11 PM
So bitch says this:
Quote from: pawsplay on December 29, 2023, 06:41:28 PM
I just say what I think. It's not my fault this gathers hostile reactions from other people. If I say something like, "I'm a trans POC gamer," just one, off-handed reference to something that is in fact true, and people go on for pages and pages, I don't think I'm the one with the problem with instigating.
Then follows it up with this:
Quote from: pawsplay on December 29, 2023, 06:41:28 PM
I wouldn't even call this place an echo chamber. It's everyone from "no, really, I'm a cool progressive due, I just tolerate crappy behavior" to full on white supremacists claiming some "races" are genetically inferior and less intelligent. But one common theme is that a lot of people come here to retreat from reality. White males are not oppressed, though they are, mathematically, a minority. Game companies are not aggressively agenda driven. They are, firstly, driven by creative people who make games, and secondly, by money, in various proportions. The people of gender, sexuality, and ethnic minorities you see in various positions are just reflections of the people who play the games. Calls for people of a specific demographics are just an attempt to correct historic under-representation. And the Pundit may not approve of every garbage thing said on this site, but he certainly tolerates things that make it easier to support his own personal worldview.
But it's not instigating. LOL!
I'd call you mentally ill, but I don't need to. You fessed up in the first paragraph...
The bitch already derailed and got one thread locked, stop playing into his hands.
I'm not even in the discussion on the last few pages of the locked topic, don't try to pin that one on me. Try responding to the thread topic once in a while, see if that works out better for y'all.
(http://img15.deviantart.net/32b2/i/2004/111/0/e/don__t_feed_the_troll.jpg)
It seems this thread has been somewhat hijacked in no small part to Pawplay. which I had directed a couple questions at then was flatly ignored and then proceeded to focus on the drivel and political banter as opposed to reasonable questions. he baited several people and said people took it hook, line, and sinker.
Captain Pazuzu seems to have the right idea.
Quote from: Socratic-DM on December 30, 2023, 05:51:38 PM
It seems this thread has been somewhat hijacked in no small part to Pawplay. which I had directed a couple questions at then was flatly ignored and then proceeded to focus on the drivel and political banter as opposed to reasonable questions. he baited several people and said people took it hook, line, and sinker.
Captain Pazuzu seems to have the right idea.
Yeah, the POC (I'll refer to it as that instead of Pawsplay since it seems to be the creature's main source of pride) ignores any evidence presented in defense of others' positions, ignores questions, etc. and then rambles on with the insults, name-calling and deliberate misrepresentations of what others said. I'll argue with a Leftist who can reasonably debate, but I'm not going to waste any more time arguing with a Communist doorknob.